[Discussion & Betting] Eurovision Song Contest 2020 - page 6.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on February 16, 2020, 04:14:43 AM

For the moment my preferred songs are (in order) :

Spain : I really like the chorus of the song "perdoname, perdoname, uni-universo"
Greece : catchy gimmick "bye bye baby bye"
Lithuania : very artistic and contemporary choreography
Italy : amazing crescendo

You should start placing some bets on Spain then

The odds for the countries that have announced their entries until now (taken from Orbit Exchange).

The market is still young and it's missing liquidity of course. For those not familiar with exchanges - right hand from the blue fields are orders waiting to get matched, f.e. someone is looking to place a bet of 2,- Euro on Spain.

Lithuania is pretty low for my liking. I like the song, but don't think it's special enough to have a shot at winning that whole thing. Will be interesting to see how the markets move as more and more songs get announced.

While Germany sits at around 40-ish at the moment, bwin has already a bet up, if Germany will get zero points (5.00 yes / 1.13 no).

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Quote from: Tipstar on February 15, 2020, 09:22:26 PM

They are just distributing the prize to different participating countries rather than the good ones. It has never been about the song or singer.
So, it certainly would not be the Netherlands, Israel, Portugal, Ukraine or Sweden.
Most probably the winner would be from Baltic or even the new participating country Australia. Or the middle European countries and UK and Ireland too would have a chance. Iceland too have not won it and they are a sound place to organize another event.

Who are distributing the prize? LOL Did you know that votes from viewers are counting for half of the points? Cheesy

For the moment my preferred songs are (in order) :

Spain : I really like the chorus of the song "perdoname, perdoname, uni-universo"
Greece : catchy gimmick "bye bye baby bye"
Lithuania : very artistic and contemporary choreography
Italy : amazing crescendo

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I have always been a major fan of Eurovision though I haven't attended a live show yet. But I've literally watched it with my family every year since I was a little kid. It is awesome to have an international song contest with such a great tradition.

The majority of my local bookies have quotations for the Eurovision event, but hopefully some crypto online casinos will offer them too this year as well. Gotta make some time to watch the music videos of each participant.

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They are just distributing the prize to different participating countries rather than the good ones. It has never been about the song or singer.
So, it certainly would not be the Netherlands, Israel, Portugal, Ukraine or Sweden.
Most probably the winner would be from Baltic or even the new participating country Australia. Or the middle European countries and UK and Ireland too would have a chance. Iceland too have not won it and they are a sound place to organize another event.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on February 15, 2020, 05:12:15 PM

I think it's good choice, (...)

Yes, one of the better entries so far for my liking, has some 80´s vibes, especially that sequence starting at around 1:16. That trousers from the frontman are hilarious though Grin

Quote from: LTU_btc on February 15, 2020, 05:12:15 PM

Some more countries had their national selection finals today.

Yes, Norway selected their entry as well. Ulrikke with "Attention" has won the Melodi Grand Prix and will go to ESC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYI_FrDixLY

The intro is great, but then a bit lame that whole song. It's missing some climax and/or up-tempo. Only in the very end, there is some more "action", but maybe it's liked by the people. Norway is another country that is always doing quite well and often has very good and perfectly arranged songs.

Edit: Looks like the song from North Macedonia is now known as well, but I can't find it on Youtube.

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Some more countries had their national selection finals today. Lithuania will send group The Roop with song ''On fire'' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awmMoVeqxlY. I think it's good choice, I like this song and I think we can get to the Eurovision final this year. Though I also liked song which finished second in our national selection.

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Armenia had their national selection tonight and it will be Athena Manoukian with the song "Chains On You" representing them at Rotterdam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgT9EjD_0No

Not the music I like, but it can of course still be successful in ESC. Armenia is a country that tend to be very succesful in ESC anyway. They have yet to get a Top3, but in 13 participations, they finished Top10 an impressive seven times (54%). Last two years they failed to make the final though and by my judgement they will fail for a third time in a row.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on February 13, 2020, 11:26:37 PM

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 13, 2020, 05:04:29 PM

Germany and UK (and Spain and France) always perform very poor ranking wise.

I agree with you for France, and this year it's even worse than the previous years, it's a totally unknown folk/blues singer(in fact his father is a famous humorist) singing in english. If I can bet France not reaching the top 10, I will do it Roll Eyes

Odds for that will be pretty low Grin

France had only two Top10 in 16 years and if their song for this year is a bad as you suggest, you will maybe get a 1.1 to 1.2 for that.

The Big Five apart from Italy always perform equally poor ranking wise. Those four countries need a VERY good song and performance to have a chance to win or finish something like Top5, which is a very good result then.

Looking at the results since 2000, we have this average rank:

Country	Average result since 2000
__________________	__________________
France	16.45
Germany	15.95
Spain	17.40
UK	18.95

Italy always has very good and well liked entries, I always like them too, not sure what it is with Italian music. They had a long break with ESC and only started participating again since 2011, but they finish in 7.88th place on average - very impressive.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on February 13, 2020, 03:32:22 PM

@Saint-loup, @Stalker22, I'm not saying that Eurovision isn't popular, but these 150-200 million people watching it mainly comes from Europe. While Olympic games or World Cup is watched by billions. And as you can see, Eurovision is far from being in the list of most watched TV programs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-watched_television_broadcasts#List
Yeah, Eurovision is shown outside Europe, but it's not on main TV channels with biggest ratings, maybe except Australia.
And I used USA just as example, there could be another country like Brazil, Nigeria or whatever you want. Until 2019 it wasn't shown there on big TV network, until Netflix bought it. And here is one of articles where it's explained why Eurovision isn't a thing in USA:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/86543/five-reasons-why-americans-will-never-understand-the-point-of-eurovision/amp/
And yeah, Madonna was there, but obviously not because Eurovision is popular in States. She just got lot of money for performance, same like on her World Tours and that's all.

It takes place once a year while it's only every 4 years for FIFA world cup and Olympic games... So it's 200 millions viewers every year.
As I understand you're not american, that's why you think american people have no culture and don't care about Europe and the rest of the world, but you're wrong.

Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 13, 2020, 05:04:29 PM

Germany and UK (and Spain and France) always perform very poor ranking wise.

I agree with you for France, and this year it's even worse than the previous years, it's a totally unknown folk/blues singer(in fact his father is a famous humorist) singing in english. If I can bet France not reaching the top 10, I will do it Roll Eyes

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Yes, ESC is quite popular in Germany as well. It's just a shame we haven't had a good representative since Lena in 2010. Cheesy

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Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 05:18:20 PM

Which platforms are you looking at? I can't find any that are taking BTC deposits for Eurovision markets.

I don't think any crypto bookie has markets for ESC yet. Even only a few fiat bookies have odds. My modus operandi is, that I make my mind up first, what I want to bet and what odds I would like to have for that bet. Afterwards I will look around at the bookies and see, which bookie has the right offer for me. This can be a fiat bookie or a crypto bookie, I don't care about that.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 13, 2020, 05:04:29 PM

Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 04:57:57 PM

Doesn't look like Romania has any chance this year, I don't really like the song choice either.

Huh, the song wasn't announced yet - how do you know you don't like it ?

Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 04:57:57 PM

I'm going to put an equal bet on Spain and Czech Republic to win outright for now, but will wait and see what Germany and the UK bring before making my final selections.

Germany and UK (and Spain and France) always perform very poor ranking wise. Czech Republic doesn't impress me, but what do I know in the end Grin

I would wait for more songs to be announced before placing bets, unless there is some super strong one.

Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 04:57:57 PM

Edit: Where are you guys betting on this?

I will bet whereever I find the best odds, but some crypto books should at least offer markets for outright winner.

Oh, I misread your post and I thought you said this was going to be the song choice this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSHc7iDuBCQ

Which platforms are you looking at? I can't find any that are taking BTC deposits for Eurovision markets.

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Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 04:57:57 PM

Doesn't look like Romania has any chance this year, I don't really like the song choice either.

Huh, the song wasn't announced yet - how do you know you don't like it ?

Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 04:57:57 PM

I'm going to put an equal bet on Spain and Czech Republic to win outright for now, but will wait and see what Germany and the UK bring before making my final selections.

Germany and UK (and Spain and France) always perform very poor ranking wise. Czech Republic doesn't impress me, but what do I know in the end Grin

I would wait for more songs to be announced before placing bets, unless there is some super strong one.

Quote from: BALIK on February 13, 2020, 04:57:57 PM

Edit: Where are you guys betting on this?

I will bet whereever I find the best odds, but some crypto books should at least offer markets for outright winner.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 13, 2020, 03:36:43 PM

Romania will send Roxen to ESC. 20 year old girl with a very nice voice and appearance. She is quite popular in Romania from what I read. On March 1st she will present 5 songs and the best one voted by a jury and via televoting will be the song for Rotterdam.

Romania often had pretty good entries, but never won the ESC. I remember the song from 2017, which was kind of crazy, but I liked it (for ESC standards) and even had a bet on them to win that whole thing; they finished 7th that year. Last two years Romania failed to qualify for the final, being eliminated in semifinals both times. Lets see what Roxen can do for them this year.

Doesn't look like Romania has any chance this year, I don't really like the song choice either.

As far as I'm aware, Romania has never won the Eurovision song contest and they are unlikely to win either.

I'm going to put an equal bet on Spain and Czech Republic to win outright for now, but will wait and see what Germany and the UK bring before making my final selections.

Edit: Where are you guys betting on this?

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Romania will send Roxen to ESC. 20 year old girl with a very nice voice and appearance. She is quite popular in Romania from what I read. On March 1st she will present 5 songs and the best one voted by a jury and via televoting will be the song for Rotterdam.

Romania often had pretty good entries, but never won the ESC. I remember the song from 2017, which was kind of crazy, but I liked it (for ESC standards) and even had a bet on them to win that whole thing; they finished 7th that year. Last two years Romania failed to qualify for the final, being eliminated in semifinals both times. Lets see what Roxen can do for them this year.

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@Saint-loup, @Stalker22, I'm not saying that Eurovision isn't popular, but these 150-200 million people watching it mainly comes from Europe. While Olympic games or World Cup is watched by billions. And as you can see, Eurovision is far from being in the list of most watched TV programs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-watched_television_broadcasts#List
Yeah, Eurovision is shown outside Europe, but it's not on main TV channels with biggest ratings, maybe except Australia.
And I used USA just as example, there could be another country like Brazil, Nigeria or whatever you want. Until 2019 it wasn't shown there on big TV network, until Netflix bought it. And here is one of articles where it's explained why Eurovision isn't a thing in USA:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/86543/five-reasons-why-americans-will-never-understand-the-point-of-eurovision/amp/
And yeah, Madonna was there, but obviously not because Eurovision is popular in States. She just got lot of money for performance, same like on her World Tours and that's all.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on February 12, 2020, 03:29:47 PM

Eurovision is definitely popular event, but it's mainly popular just in Europe, it's not global thing like World Cup or Olympic games. Ask someone in US about Eurovision and he will have no idea what you're talking about.

There is a distinction between thinking you're right... and being right!
Eurovision is the longest-running annual international television song contest and one of the most-watched non-sporting events with an audience between 100 million and 600 million internationally, according to Wikipedia. A total of fifty-two countries took part in the actual song contest but it has been broadcasted in many countries that do not compete all over the world. For example in Canada, New Zealand, Japan, China and even in the United States. I deliberately left Australia out because she is one of the competitors. Weird, I know! Grin

And you know what, the world is a fair bit bigger than the US. Just because something is not popular in the US it does not mean that the rest of the world shares that opinion.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest

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Quote from: LTU_btc on February 12, 2020, 03:29:47 PM

Quote from: Saint-loup on February 10, 2020, 07:27:45 PM

LOL WTF where are you living man? Cheesy

It's one of the biggest TV event in the world with the FIFA World Cup and the Olympic Games...

Eurovision is definitely popular event, but it's mainly popular just in Europe, it's not global thing like World Cup or Olympic games. Ask someone in US about Eurovision and he will have no idea what you're talking about.

Where have you seen that please? Do you have a source for this claim?
If Eurovision is not known in the US how do you explain that Madonna was a guest of Eurovision 2019?
If Eurovision is not famous outside Europe, how do you explain Australia is still participating every year since 2015?
How do you explain it was even broadcasted in China?

Online, the Eurovision Song Contest had 40 million unique viewers on YouTube from 225 territories, during the week of the event.
https://eurovision.tv/story/182-million-viewers-2019-eurovision-song-contest

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Quote from: Saint-loup on February 10, 2020, 07:27:45 PM

LOL WTF where are you living man? Cheesy

It's one of the biggest TV event in the world with the FIFA World Cup and the Olympic Games...

Eurovision is definitely popular event, but it's mainly popular just in Europe, it's not global thing like World Cup or Olympic games. Ask someone in US about Eurovision and he will have no idea what you're talking about.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on February 11, 2020, 05:38:56 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on February 10, 2020, 03:01:05 PM

P.S. I happen to have my all-time fav Euro band representing Belgium (Hooverphonic). I've been listening to them ever since their cover of This Strange Effect hit my eardrums in the 1990s. So I actually have a band I support in this edition. If anyone wonders what 1990s triphop sounded like, without mentioning Massive Attack and Portishead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu2nSWSgFa8

I like this sound very much and now you made me curious what the belgian entry will look like (or sound like^^).

Hope you succeed in grabbing a ticket for the show

The weirdest thing about this band is their vocalist keeps changing, and I still like them, as the style or sound is maintained a lot. I've followed every album but the last -- though I attended a small concert last year (and they like doing really small intimate ones for super cheap) and I loved their new teenaged vocalist.

Thanks, I hope I get a ticket too, or my kid will be severely sulky watching at home on TV! Italy really does look like the favourite, and it's almost impossible to not identify the winner from early on if the competition was anything like last year's!

Go Belgium! =p

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