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Topic: Discussion between SolidCoin Founder and Gavin Andresen - page 3. (Read 6440 times)

donator
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Creator of Litecoin. Cryptocurrency enthusiast.
I can't wait for the hacker to come to bitcoin, release virus signatures into the block chain and when the majority of consumers have disabled virus scanning of bitcoin they release a real virus into the network.  That would be f'ing great at this point.

It seems like we still have a SolidCoin supported left! lol
Do you even know how viruses work? Now tell me how to add viruses to the block chain. If anything, I'd expect the next SC release from RealSolid to contain a bitcoin wallet stealing trojan. Be careful...
newbie
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I'm not surprised by RealSolid's attitude.

It reflects perfectly the FUD articles on solidcoin.info about the "top-5 reasons" and "Ready for Bitcoin collapse" on why solidcoin was so much better than bitcoin/ixcoin/i0coin.

Releasing untested 'improvements' (taken from commits from other bitcoin developers I might add) does not make for a more secure network. The recent attack proves this clearly.
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The more I read "RealSolids" posts, the more I'm really starting to dislike him.   I was fine with SolidCoin sitting there doing it's thing before all this crap happened, but now I'm swaying more to the "let it fail" side just to piss this idiot off.

SELL! SELL! SELL!

... if you can find an exchange that takes SC still open by the time you process a five gigabyte database journal commit.
hero member
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EDIT:  Bah, not worth it.  Obviously a pre-schooler.
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member
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Well, there is probably enough usable code in version 0.3 to fork a solidc0in if anyone is willing to bother.

Apparently, someone did. As long as they move to a real development cycle and develop under reasonable rules the currency itself might have a chance, but CoinHunter did a fantastic job of urinating all over it.
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When SC first came out I had some discussions with CoinHunter. At first he seemed perfectly likable.

Well, the posted log didn't change my mind, my mind's been changed since about three days after I chatted with him, but the posted log did go over the top to where I gotta say something.

The guy is arrogant, selfish, condescending, and not actually smart enough to where he has any right to be arrogant and condescending. I find the idea of him being in charge of a project offensive. Open source being what it is, he has the right to be in charge of a project, but anyone who asks my opinion of SolidCoin is going to hear some choice commentary about why you don't depend on a product that's coded by someone who's so much of a self-deluded prick that he opens up a massive attack to his software solely because he refuses to listen to anyone who's trying to help, thanks to his major personality and self-esteem issues to where you can't even hint he made a mistake without him coming out about how verbally abusive you are and you're obviously just a Bitcoin fan who wants to destroy everything he's worked for.

CoinHunter, I know you'll read this and flip out. Especially since the first time we talked and I was trying to be supportive and wanting to do some bug-hunting on the OSX version of the client you decided to throw 100 SolidCoins at me. Feel free to post an address and I can send them back to you if that's what you want.

Though it's going to take me a while. I had my coins running on a netbook, and since you couldn't heed ArtForz's warning, I'm going to have to run the client on something else. Something about a multi-gigabyte database commit log because you don't know what the fuck you're doing and are too arrogant to listen to someone's advice. My netbook only has a few gigs free, it's a pretty small SSD, and, well...

Advice. The next time someone you liked well enough to give a bunch of free coins to, and you were discussing new logos with him, etc, actually comes to you asking if you'd be willing to discuss whether or not ArtForz' comments might indicate an actual flaw, try not being so much of a dick in your response that I decide I don't actually care if your project gets attacked or not.

I tried, you fucked up. Majorly. Have a nice failure.
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So I thought about taking a closer look at SolidCoin since threads about it keep popping up.

Now I won't.

RealSolid's way of handling this is arrgoant and he comes across as a huge drama queen.
He also seems not to be interested in giving back fixes to the project from which he forked his.

Perhaps SolidCoin is good, but with a project leader like this I won't touch it with a 10' pole.
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newbie
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Anyone who thinks that they shouldn't take advice from hackers should never be a lead developer on ANYTHING. Hackers provide some of the best advice you'll ever get on a project, especially if they are willing to talk to you FOR FREE. Many hackers would make you pay for the kinds of things that ArtForz told you. If a hacker tells you of a possible attack, as the lead developer, instead of ignoring them, you should LISTEN and DROP EVERYTHING to fix the issue. Not doing so results in what we just saw. It also results in things like MtGox, Mybitcoin, and Sony.

True blackhat hackers won't even reveal themselves, let alone talk to you. If someone warns you about something, you should heed that advice, regardless of who it comes from.

Good point.

It just shows he is too selfish in thinking that HIS own fork will be the winner over BTC.
legendary
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Anyone who thinks that they shouldn't take advice from hackers should never be a lead developer on ANYTHING. Hackers provide some of the best advice you'll ever get on a project, especially if they are willing to talk to you FOR FREE. Many hackers would make you pay for the kinds of things that ArtForz told you. If a hacker tells you of a possible attack, as the lead developer, instead of ignoring them, you should LISTEN and DROP EVERYTHING to fix the issue. Not doing so results in what we just saw. It also results in things like MtGox, Mybitcoin, and Sony.

True blackhat hackers won't even reveal themselves, let alone talk to you. If someone warns you about something, you should heed that advice, regardless of who it comes from.
legendary
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I'm sorry, I must have missed the copyright notices.
Copyright law does not require notices. Everything is copyrighted by default.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
It should be noted that publicly posting logs of private* IRC channels is arguably illegal (copyright and/or wiretapping) and explicitly against Freenode's policies.
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If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through.  The freenode network is an interactive environment. Even on public channels, most users don't weigh their comments with the idea that they'll be enshrined in perpetuity. For that reason, few participants publish logs.

 If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, and get permission from the channel owners before you start. If you're thinking of "anonymizing" your logs (removing information that identifies the specific users), be aware that it's difficult to do it well—replies and general context often provide identifying information which is hard to filter.

 If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own.

* As stated above, "private" is the default for channels, unless they are known to be publicly logged usually by a mention in the topic.


Interesting he says ArtForz is the attacker. He was obstinately accusing me yesterday.

So I supposed copy and paste is illegal then right? lol
legendary
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It should be noted that publicly posting logs of private* IRC channels is arguably illegal (copyright and/or wiretapping) and explicitly against Freenode's policies.
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If you're considering publishing channel logs, think it through.  The freenode network is an interactive environment. Even on public channels, most users don't weigh their comments with the idea that they'll be enshrined in perpetuity. For that reason, few participants publish logs.

 If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, and get permission from the channel owners before you start. If you're thinking of "anonymizing" your logs (removing information that identifies the specific users), be aware that it's difficult to do it well—replies and general context often provide identifying information which is hard to filter.

 If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own.

* As stated above, "private" is the default for channels, unless they are known to be publicly logged usually by a mention in the topic.


Interesting he says ArtForz is the attacker. He was obstinately accusing me yesterday.
newbie
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Good job Gavin on how you handled this.  Nice to see at least one side of the conversation remained diplomatic and respectful.

+1
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Gavin Andresen just gained a lot of respect from me. What a good guy.

RealSolid seems to be on the verge of a total breakdown.

Yeah Gavin really did handle the adversity very well. No insults. No slander. Just wanting to work with coinhunter.

Coinhunter sure seemed like he had a personal vendetta against the entire bitcoin project and also appeared to want Gavin's position/job.

(shakes head)
sd
hero member
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Gavin Andresen just gained a lot of respect from me. What a good guy.

RealSolid seems to be on the verge of a total breakdown.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
I support banning the solidcoin developers from this forum.  Angry

Fixed Cheesy
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Good job Gavin on how you handled this.  Nice to see at least one side of the conversation remained diplomatic and respectful.

+1 agreed Cheesy
legendary
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Good job Gavin on how you handled this.  Nice to see at least one side of the conversation remained diplomatic and respectful.
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