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There are not thousands and thousands for them to buy...

not yet, but there will be. money talks.
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Indeed! Where there is money there is a solution usually. It will take some time, but if orders for FPGA rise at prices the sellers make good money, production increase will follow.
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No, you did not opened it up. It's @whitefire990 that opened FGPA to others. You just identified a business opportunity after you realized that secret FGPA mining will not be as profitable as before once @whitefire990 releases the bitstream in market. That's what @whitefire990 wanted to do and in my opinion he succeeded.

No, I opened up once I realized that companies were going to try charging $6000 and $7000 for these fpga. Go through my post history. If you think I'm going to make any appreciable amount of money from this, you're wrong. What little we do make will be dumped back into development to provide the community the ability to make, compile and distribute their own bitstreams securely.

Edit: Our money is going to come from the devfee in the bitstreams we'll release. And, no one has to use ours. Whitefire's bitstreams will work on the boards too.

We are all in this for money. You should make money if you are adding value to the community. You are adding value by lowering the FGPA cost.  I am also buying from you. It is none of my concern how much money you are making. In my opinion, credit to open up FGPA mining to newbie miners or to the people who are late in mining should be given to @whitefire990. Also @whitefire990 saved crypto community from Bitmain, Baikal and other ASIC manufactures, who were usurping majority of the value generated by cryptocurrency mining.

Bitmain and Baikal will have their move, i hope all of you realize that FPGA miner developing won't "destroy" these companies.... And it is not aid decentralization either.
Big mining farms will buy a thousand of FPGA's if it is going to be stable and profitable.

From technical perpective FPGA is very very exciting, and hope that i have a chance to play with it. I don't really care who was the " first" guy to open it to public. I'm really glad FPGA guys working together to success their mission. Fingers crossed!




There are not thousands and thousands for them to buy...

not yet, but there will be. money talks.
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No, you did not opened it up. It's @whitefire990 that opened FGPA to others. You just identified a business opportunity after you realized that secret FGPA mining will not be as profitable as before once @whitefire990 releases the bitstream in market. That's what @whitefire990 wanted to do and in my opinion he succeeded.

No, I opened up once I realized that companies were going to try charging $6000 and $7000 for these fpga. Go through my post history. If you think I'm going to make any appreciable amount of money from this, you're wrong. What little we do make will be dumped back into development to provide the community the ability to make, compile and distribute their own bitstreams securely.

Edit: Our money is going to come from the devfee in the bitstreams we'll release. And, no one has to use ours. Whitefire's bitstreams will work on the boards too.

We are all in this for money. You should make money if you are adding value to the community. You are adding value by lowering the FGPA cost.  I am also buying from you. It is none of my concern how much money you are making. In my opinion, credit to open up FGPA mining to newbie miners or to the people who are late in mining should be given to @whitefire990. Also @whitefire990 saved crypto community from Bitmain, Baikal and other ASIC manufactures, who were usurping majority of the value generated by cryptocurrency mining.

Bitmain and Baikal will have their move, i hope all of you realize that FPGA miner developing won't "destroy" these companies.... And it is not aid decentralization either.
Big mining farms will buy a thousand of FPGA's if it is going to be stable and profitable.

From technical perpective FPGA is very very exciting, and hope that i have a chance to play with it. I don't really care who was the " first" guy to open it to public. I'm really glad FPGA guys working together to success their mission. Fingers crossed!




There are not thousands and thousands for them to buy...
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Just so I get this straight, we need to install RAM on these boards to mine correct?  Specs of RAM requirements/compatibility?

At present, no.

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The last thing I want to do is see this come out and totally annihilate GPU mining.  And that is exactly what it has the potential to do.  Profitability for everything else will be completely destroyed and we'll be stuck fire selling everything we have in the hope we can get in line to acquire this hardware and software.

no, gpus will always have something to mine, as some algos will almost certainly be created with anti asic/fpga properties. wont stop fpga/asics but will make it much more expensive to develop.

OhGodaCompany has its ProgPOW plans that will leverage so much of a gpus capabilities (not just CUDA cores or whatever) that its just not worth emulating with fpga/asic, as to do it one would basically have to emulate an entire gpu to do it. easier just to use a real gpu.

of course it remains to be seen how that goes, but fpga/asic is not the end of pow on gpus. at least not yet.

ProgPow is a bit of marketing. The hardest part of it is still the memory bandwidth. Nothing really changes.

If you take a look at the paranoia in the monero community now..... Is that really what the coin devs want for their coins? All of their miners and holders to be in a constant state of paranoia about secret asics? Wouldn't even need an asic at that point to destroy a coin. Just a large GPU cluster causing diff spikes to make the community freak out.

I made an asic for monero that could survive their fork!!  Kiss I'm mining 100Kh/s  Cheesy Grin -- That, plus a little bit of falsified evidence and the community would be frothing. Seems like it's almost more profitable to put the fud algo in an asic so it can be more power efficient. Poloniex has options now, right?
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no, gpus will always have something to mine, as some algos will almost certainly be created with anti asic/fpga properties. wont stop fpga/asics but will make it much more expensive to develop.

OhGodaCompany has its ProgPOW plans that will leverage so much of a gpus capabilities (not just CUDA cores or whatever) that its just not worth emulating with fpga/asic, as to do it one would basically have to emulate an entire gpu to do it. easier just to use a real gpu.

of course it remains to be seen how that goes, but fpga/asic is not the end of pow on gpus. at least not yet.

This is a bit of good news to read. Hopefully, it is true.

I am pretty worried about my GPU investment and can't help but wonder how i'll be selling all my GPUs incase this turns south. I would have already started selling them by now except that i love taking big risks. Hopefully, it pays off.
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iam almost finish with my project on emission cooling with 3m on novec, i may cool your fpga. contact me )) maybe we can build something, what best temperature is for fpga ?

@whitefire990
Could immersive cooling  help  to avoid at least some of the modifications, like soldering a $4K FPGA board?
People have achieved great results with transformer oil cooling, using ASICs and GPUs.

Based on current experiments, immersion cooling an unmodified VCU1525 will get you to about 80-85% of peak performance on power-hungry algorithms without other modifications. 
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Is my interpretation of the recent hardware mod discussions correct? The passive heatsink VCU1525 with a high CFM external fan is the easiest off the shelf cooling solution, right?

This is correct.  Better yet, use cardboard and duct tape to channel the fan directly into the heat sink more effectively.


Do anyone have a picture of the heatsink without the cover ?
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Is my interpretation of the recent hardware mod discussions correct? The passive heatsink VCU1525 with a high CFM external fan is the easiest off the shelf cooling solution, right?

This is correct.  Better yet, use cardboard and duct tape to channel the fan directly into the heat sink more effectively.



or 3d print an air duct.
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Is my interpretation of the recent hardware mod discussions correct? The passive heatsink VCU1525 with a high CFM external fan is the easiest off the shelf cooling solution, right?

This is correct.  Better yet, use cardboard and duct tape to channel the fan directly into the heat sink more effectively.

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Is my interpretation of the recent hardware mod discussions correct? The passive heatsink VCU1525 with a high CFM external fan is the easiest off the shelf cooling solution, right?
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Bitmain and Baikal will have their move, i hope all of you realize that FPGA miner developing won't "destroy" these companies.... And it is not aid decentralization either.
Big mining farms will buy a thousand of FPGA's if it is going to be stable and profitable.


This always confuses me. For coin decentralization the hardware type is irrelevant, you can help keep them decentralized by mining solo or on smaller pools.

Mining solo ? You'll need huge $$$$$ to obtain the hashrate that can find blocks, unless you mine much smaller coins with a very low network hashrate.

Depends on the coin. You can buy enough cpu power to solo mine Verium relatively effectively for less than a new asic or two...
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Bitmain and Baikal will have their move, i hope all of you realize that FPGA miner developing won't "destroy" these companies.... And it is not aid decentralization either.
Big mining farms will buy a thousand of FPGA's if it is going to be stable and profitable.


This always confuses me. For coin decentralization the hardware type is irrelevant, you can help keep them decentralized by mining solo or on smaller pools.

I think you are wrong, sir.
everybody can buy GPU but not everybody can buy asics (regarding price and scarcity or manipulation of distribution)


True, but they are for sale. But either way what I'm saying is that it's where they are pointed, not their existence, that determines coin centralization. Speaking mostly of the larger coins here, a large enough farm can of course control 51% of a smaller coin.
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This is awesome.  The fewer people that get involved, the better.  I hope the FPGA community stays small, so profits don't get diluted.
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Still, despite this information, hopefully people don't buy; the fewer people that get involved, the better.


Shooting yourself in devfee legs? Two times?

devfee is a percentage of the pie that is not infinite. It stands to reason that flooding the market isn't in dev's best interest. At least until competitors flood the market.

That pie is a lot less finite than the amount you can scrape together to invest into your own hardware, though. The genius of it is that you effectively own the devfee % of the total hash rate.
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https://bpip.org

This is awesome.  The fewer people that get involved, the better.  I hope the FPGA community stays small, so profits don't get diluted.
...
Still, despite this information, hopefully people don't buy; the fewer people that get involved, the better.


Shooting yourself in devfee legs? Two times?

devfee is a percentage of the pie that is not infinite. It stands to reason that flooding the market isn't in dev's best interest. At least until competitors flood the market.
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I want to join the list to get two of these FPGAs. How can I add my name?

Send a PM to GPUHoarder

No need, see the thread in my sig.
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I want to join the list to get two of these FPGAs. How can I add my name?

Send a PM to GPUHoarder
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I want to join the list to get two of these FPGAs. How can I add my name?
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Lux just released a statement of their new hard fork.

"Phi2 is also designed to be scalable and modular so that its FPGA resistance can be maintained over time. As the possibility for an industrial, commercial or otherwise mass-produced FPGA for Phi2 becomes clear, the algorithm can be easily modified and updated to Phi3, thus immediately rendering those devices obsolete. This cat-and-mouse game can continue indefinitely until FPGA producers realize they are artlessly wasting their time and their money trying to build FPGAs for Luxcore’s hashing algorithm."

Godspeed.

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