Correct and these are not being designed and manufactured in secret, they can just as easily be forked away. And anyone that thinks because just their array can change on the fly does not understand the basic restrictions inherent in the design.
1. The supply chains to build these things are not infinite, and some lead time components stretch 42 weeks or more now.
2. You can not “fork away” from what’s coming in the FPGA world. There is exactly one piece - memory bandwidth - left, and it will be solved with in the year. It is already in the works.
OK, so your point 1 is making my point from above that they are not being made in secret and you point 2 is just wrong. Bandwidth is but one component and GPU's are not even Memory Bandwidth limited yet and when they are there is a thing called a bus that can be increased. Your arguments on memory can all be applied to any processing unit so your running on circular logic with that argument when it comes to a advantage one process has over another. Sure Programmable dies are not eproms anymore but what differentiates them from hard coded substrate is what makes it impossible for them to ever be on a even level. I am not arguing that they have not made great strides but you are in a fantasy land here if you think they can ever compete evenly.
This is just a foolish statement, it's about curtailing future centralization such as what we see with bitcoin. Lose the hyperbole. We tend to play the long game and are not the fools in this scene that can be manipulated like your off the cuff suggestion. You might be able to catch some redditt fools on that but not here. This has been a ongoing discussion since day one and in no way shape or form came as a surprise, as a matter of fact I would bet it was staved off for years just do to the discussions about what our stated reaction would be.
"some" reddit fools? You should check the subreddits again. Also, Those fools are what give your coin value. You might not want to call them fools.
Zcoin forked away from a single [marketing] comment. My lyra2z 8,8,8 design isn't even complete yet.
My coin? I do not control any coin, I just want to free the world from the yoke of tyranny through the monetary system. ATM monero is the best case scenario for that, if that changes then I will change with it. BTW that value was in existence long before those fools showed up, the only reason they are there is because its one big moderated echo chamber.
So Zcash forked away from a single marketing comment? I wouldn't know or care about that. I have no interest in any trusted setup, if I did I wouldn't be here I'd just stay under the banking yoke. BTW I find that hard to believe but stranger things have happened. My guess is you don't have all the information.
Your sole reason for being here may be monetary gain but don't automatically assume the same is for everyone else.
This is a niche industry that has been around for far longer than crypto currency and has it's place in many applications. IIRC inititially it was used as a testbed for cpu logic before the costly manufacturing process. It's alot more fun to find a bug in the logic before you roll out a few million cpu's. Just ask Intel.
Your comments are a circle around things that aren’t true - ETH is absolutely bandwidth limited, achieving incredible efficiencies on many GPUs. No one said FPGAs were being produced by the millions in secret.
“Bus can be increased” - FPGAs have the largest “bus” of any general purpose reconfigurable computational device bar none. What are you referring to? FPGA is also far from a niche industry, enjoying a market cap as big as the big GPU manufactures. If you want to argue give me real numbers in technical terms. Your statements are largely incoherent.
OK, lets step back a bit as this entire conversation is becoming incoherent and your reply to my reply to dll70dll is taken out of context. When I said niche to dll70dll I was specifically referring to just the act of mining. As he stated
So just looking at FPGA mining.
so I thereby answered in that context. And you twisting that around to a different context and then argued against that, which we all know is a logic fallacy as well as trollish behavior of which ironically I was accused of.
Now as to your comment
Bus can be increased” - FPGAs have the largest “bus” of any general purpose reconfigurable computational device bar none.
I don't see why you are even mentioning that as I never said they did not, all I have ever said is to increase bandwidth you just increase bus width. This is a given and I have never said otherwise anywhere EVER.
I am assuming you were trying to attack this statement I made
Bandwidth is but one component and GPU's are not even Memory Bandwidth limited yet and when they are there is a thing called a bus that can be increased.
with your previous statement and you are supporting that argument with this statement.
ETH is absolutely bandwidth limited, achieving incredible efficiencies on many GPUs
If I am incorrect on that assumption then feel free to correct me. In answer to that all I can say is ETH may be Memory Bound on some cards but that doesn't mean it is globally bandwidth limited. If it is then link me to that proof please.
Now I think this all comes down to whether we agree on this.
2. You can not “fork away” from what’s coming in the FPGA world. There is exactly one piece - memory bandwidth - left, and it will be solved with in the year. It is already in the works.
I believe the bolded is incorrect, that is not the
only aspect of a FPGA that can be exploited. But I will not argue with you about that point as I am keeping my thoughts to myself on that. But I am sure you can find hundreds of people that will argue that point with you.
In closing I think you guys believe I am against FPGA mining as I am against ASICs and that is why I am in this thread butt hat is a misconception on your part. And I believe thats why I was attacked and insults directed at the project I support.
I am not in any way shape or form against mining on FPGAs as I do not see them in the same category as many of you do. I do not believe there will ever be anything to fear from FPGA centralization and that is my greatest concern when it comes to the POW security model.
Also there are probably errors in here as I got tired of sorting this wall of text and I'm out of time ATM so I will just post as is and await your reply which I hope is cleaned up a little as I've tried to clean this one up.