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A short clip from Alan's interview with Adam Chapnick from ICOInvestor.tv. ICOInvestor.tv is fairly new to the industry and they are just getting started, so we don't know when or if this interview will air, but here is just a short segment from the interview.


https://youtu.be/TPMuX0vgBhE



Great point in the video, I have a couple secondary questions on this (for anyone who feels like chiming in). There is some agreement in the industry that mass adoption will solve cryptocurrency's volatility. The problems I see in this are:

1) Any currency that has a severely restricted incoming supply would see prices absolutely skyrocket if there was a 'mass acceptance sized amount' of investment being pumped into the market, how could these currencies ever achieve stability once their growth period has ended?

2) Using fiat investment as the main driver of mass acceptance means that the exact same people who control most of the money now, will likely control cryptocurrency. Could this negate any chance there was at using cryptocurrency as a means of financial inclusion? People won't use cryptocurrency if it doesn't better their life, so why would they switch monetary systems if it's just going to put them further from the top?

As long as the interest and demand grows, if no new currency is created, then it has to rely supply of people willing to sell. I believe you are correct that something like a bitcoin, as it stands today, it would be difficult if not impossible to achieve equilibrium and relative stability over the longer term. DNotes goal of stability is not a perfect level of value, but growing value slowly over time without disrupting day to day financial activity.

There are multiple issues in regards to financial inclusion. I think in terms of equal financial opportunity rather than strict equality or equality of outcome. Whether you start with very little money, should not impact your ability to grow at an equal rate as everyone else. We know that fiat will have less value over time, a savings account offers a negligible yield, investing in stocks can be risky and require specialized knowledge, not to mention the cost can far outweigh any gains when dealing with small amounts, among many other things that make it difficult for someone with not a lot of money to benefit from the financial system. But imagine if the value of your money could grow slowly over time, because value isn't extracted from the currency, along with a modest interest.

Whether or not someone enters the system with a lot of money, in a system like DNotes is creating, should have no impact on the individuals starting with very little ability to benefit from the system. I believe that is very different than the existing financial system, and benefits everyone.

I really liked the above post, and the direction that DNotes is taking in regards to growing its ecosystem and money supply.

A lot of people do draw attention to Bitcoin's deflationary nature, but what a lot of people forget is that inflation is not necessarily a bad thing. Back in the 1800s banks would often issue more bank notes to allow seasonal workers and farmers to have enough money during harvest seasons etc. When demand for tokens outstrips the supply, there shouldn't be much of an issue with more units coming into existence, and this is an issue Bitcoin may face.

The real issue with inflation is when it occurs without any sort of intrinsic value attached to it. It no longer works in the central bank world in my view because the dollar is an infinitely printed token that isn't backed by anything. Currency is, and should always be a reflection of value produced. Inflation becomes a dirty word when it occurs without any new value created to back the issue of the newly minted units. In crypto, the new money works as a liquidity vessel, and in the case of DNotes in particular, the tokens represent an ownership claim against DNotes Global -- a company whose modus operandi is to create value for DNotes currency.

It is only when we cross the rubicon, and money creation becomes a value-soaking activity, rather than a value-creation activity that a currency is done for. It is my view that we see this when it comes to Central Bank operated currencies who print money for their government's spending purposes, without any actual new value being created in line with the new tokens.

In contrast DNotes Global will be creating additional value into the DNotes currency with an array of business activities that include a storage vault, book and business subscription property, crypto news website, and hopefully soon a regulated digital currency exchange among other exciting things the mini-IPO will enable us to offer. I can see (some) issues with the deflationary nature in Bitcoin, and definitely others in the valueless inflation in current mainstream money. I think DNotes has the right approach.

Been very busy working lately, apologies for being quiet.



Great answers guys, exact same line of thought as I had followed, albeit in much better detail.
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A short clip from Alan's interview with Adam Chapnick from ICOInvestor.tv. ICOInvestor.tv is fairly new to the industry and they are just getting started, so we don't know when or if this interview will air, but here is just a short segment from the interview.


https://youtu.be/TPMuX0vgBhE



Great point in the video, I have a couple secondary questions on this (for anyone who feels like chiming in). There is some agreement in the industry that mass adoption will solve cryptocurrency's volatility. The problems I see in this are:

1) Any currency that has a severely restricted incoming supply would see prices absolutely skyrocket if there was a 'mass acceptance sized amount' of investment being pumped into the market, how could these currencies ever achieve stability once their growth period has ended?

2) Using fiat investment as the main driver of mass acceptance means that the exact same people who control most of the money now, will likely control cryptocurrency. Could this negate any chance there was at using cryptocurrency as a means of financial inclusion? People won't use cryptocurrency if it doesn't better their life, so why would they switch monetary systems if it's just going to put them further from the top?

As long as the interest and demand grows, if no new currency is created, then it has to rely supply of people willing to sell. I believe you are correct that something like a bitcoin, as it stands today, it would be difficult if not impossible to achieve equilibrium and relative stability over the longer term. DNotes goal of stability is not a perfect level of value, but growing value slowly over time without disrupting day to day financial activity.

There are multiple issues in regards to financial inclusion. I think in terms of equal financial opportunity rather than strict equality or equality of outcome. Whether you start with very little money, should not impact your ability to grow at an equal rate as everyone else. We know that fiat will have less value over time, a savings account offers a negligible yield, investing in stocks can be risky and require specialized knowledge, not to mention the cost can far outweigh any gains when dealing with small amounts, among many other things that make it difficult for someone with not a lot of money to benefit from the financial system. But imagine if the value of your money could grow slowly over time, because value isn't extracted from the currency, along with a modest interest.

Whether or not someone enters the system with a lot of money, in a system like DNotes is creating, should have no impact on the individuals starting with very little ability to benefit from the system. I believe that is very different than the existing financial system, and benefits everyone.

I really liked the above post, and the direction that DNotes is taking in regards to growing its ecosystem and money supply.

A lot of people do draw attention to Bitcoin's deflationary nature, but what a lot of people forget is that inflation is not necessarily a bad thing. Back in the 1800s banks would often issue more bank notes to allow seasonal workers and farmers to have enough money during harvest seasons etc. When demand for tokens outstrips the supply, there shouldn't be much of an issue with more units coming into existence, and this is an issue Bitcoin may face.

The real issue with inflation is when it occurs without any sort of intrinsic value attached to it. It no longer works in the central bank world in my view because the dollar is an infinitely printed token that isn't backed by anything. Currency is, and should always be a reflection of value produced. Inflation becomes a dirty word when it occurs without any new value created to back the issue of the newly minted units. In crypto, the new money works as a liquidity vessel, and in the case of DNotes in particular, the tokens represent an ownership claim against DNotes Global -- a company whose modus operandi is to create value for DNotes currency.

It is only when we cross the rubicon, and money creation becomes a value-soaking activity, rather than a value-creation activity that a currency is done for. It is my view that we see this when it comes to Central Bank operated currencies who print money for their government's spending purposes, without any actual new value being created in line with the new tokens.

In contrast DNotes Global will be creating additional value into the DNotes currency with an array of business activities that include a storage vault, book and business subscription property, crypto news website, and hopefully soon a regulated digital currency exchange among other exciting things the mini-IPO will enable us to offer. I can see (some) issues with the deflationary nature in Bitcoin, and definitely others in the valueless inflation in current mainstream money. I think DNotes has the right approach.

Been very busy working lately, apologies for being quiet.

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Local Regulation of a Global Currency

I'm going to start with admitting I have absolutely no idea how China adjusted its cash liquidity in the article linked below. I'm hoping someone on this thread can shine some light on that, because it did not seem to devalue the CNY like printing cash would.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/chinas-liquid-injection-could-be-bitcoins-delight

But I certainly recognised the effect the article claims shutting down Chinese exchanges has had. kopes18 had already confirmed my suspicions that exchanges would have just moved their operations, but not their customer base:
Most exchanges in China have already moved outside, Hong Kong, Japan and so on.

This article adds to that by pointing out how China may have moved against exchanges to stop the outflow of capital. But instead of achieving it, their move has now moved profits to the countries that the exchanges have been forced to move to.

I find all this fascinating because before cryptocurrencies enabled true exchange of value regardless of country of origin, similar moves controlling the physical exchange of fiat currencies were much more successful. Certainly excessive control of fiat exchange plays into the hands of black markets. But the clear increase of risk works to dampen that trade. Whereas the inbuilt security of cryptocurrency makes dealing with markets outlawed by your own country much safer. Leaving your cryptocurrency in these exchanges is still a high risk proposition though.

So while it is clear that the disruptive effect of cryptocurrencies and their ability to transfer value much cheaper than banking services provide puts the old financial systems under pressure and into opposition. China's actions, as an early and effective controller, expose how futile government regulation will be. This is, in my opinion, likely to discourage the big banks from putting pressure on governments to regulate cryptocurrency to retain their own market advantage. And this leaves them the final option of funding and generating negative propaganda about the cryptocurrency industry instead. And as I see it, the coming collapse of many ICO ventures will give them plenty to write warnings about. Let's just see how effective they are at muddying the water between tokens and alt-currencies.
Hi TimMarsh, you seem very interested in China haha, yes of course for a crypto investor. And we already see the China regulation has less and less influence to Bitcoin, it truly become stronger, for me, also like a monster.

I don’t know much about the economy, but I will share with you the things as a normal citizen from what I see. During these years housing price grows a lot, especially in big city like Beijing. A lot people even put the money for running their company into real estate. This do absorb a lot cny. I can see the price rising each year. Just guessing the inflation could be 10% per year.

Whatever media said, a lot is wrong and with not good intentions. China is a developing country, it's changing but takes time and normally very slow. All I see the global economy is very dangerous for none dollar country.

I thing you mixed currency valuation and exchange rate. For example 1 usd = 6.5 cny. This is exchange rate, not a valuation. Exchange rate is set by Chinese government, not a free market decided. For evaluation is much more complicated, I don’t know, it relates to export import and many many thing. It’s very hard to evaluate only base on China dumping billions cny. What the article says is very subjective.
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Those are some very good questions, and ones that I hadn't thought of before.

At this point, anyone who gets involved with a cryptocurrency is an early adopter, and as such, will have early adopter advantage. I think that once cryptocurrencies truly go mainstream, it will be more difficult for people to put in small amounts of money and see their investments grow 100 times or more. However, I think that the next stage will be that people can use cryptocurrencies to buy stocks and things, and there will always be new ventures that people could invest in. I actually believe that some of the US regulations do make it more difficult for ordinary people who aren't wealthy to have access to some good investments. For example, recently there have been a number of ICOs launched in the US which will only allow accredited investors to participate. In that case, people like me are excluded and if they turned out to be good products, then I miss out on the financial opportunities. For this reason I am super excited about the micro-IPO provision that Dyna and the DNotes team discovered. That is seriously an amazing find!

When a coin starts getting adopted by a much wider group, the price will go up, but it will hit a point where people won't pay any more for it and then it will come down and eventually reach an equilibrium until another mass adoption event happens to push the price up. The secret here is to always have a good reason for someone to buy DNotes. If they didn't get in on the very first price hike, if it's a good project (which it is) then there will always be another price hike when it picks up a new market, and in between the price should be pretty stable I would think.

As for the current wealthy (hedge fund managers and the like) getting involved, I'm not too worried about them. Sure, it's great if you happen to be holding the coin that they're suddenly interested in. But if they're really buying your coin for their clients, that's a good time to take some profits, because I think they can pump the price a lot because they have plenty of money, and that pump is less sustainable than the kind of pump you get when your coin gets into a genuine new market, i.e., a new group of genuine adopters.

I obviously don't have a crystal ball, so no guarantee that any of this will actually happen. But that's how I see it. Ultimately, a coin will rise or fall on its fundamentals, and DNotes has some great ones. I tell people that DNotes currently is one of the most undervalued coins in existence. But honestly, all the coins that are good are very much undervalued because so few people (relatively speaking) even know about them.

Thanks wiser, the mini-IPO is a great concept which allows for a much wider participation and flexibility. Alan is focused on identifying the best possible option for funding and navigating the legal framework that positions DNotes and DNotes Global Inc for the future.

You are absolutely correct, there is a lot of room to grow with this industry.
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Those are some very good questions, and ones that I hadn't thought of before.

At this point, anyone who gets involved with a cryptocurrency is an early adopter, and as such, will have early adopter advantage. I think that once cryptocurrencies truly go mainstream, it will be more difficult for people to put in small amounts of money and see their investments grow 100 times or more. However, I think that the next stage will be that people can use cryptocurrencies to buy stocks and things, and there will always be new ventures that people could invest in. I actually believe that some of the US regulations do make it more difficult for ordinary people who aren't wealthy to have access to some good investments. For example, recently there have been a number of ICOs launched in the US which will only allow accredited investors to participate. In that case, people like me are excluded and if they turned out to be good products, then I miss out on the financial opportunities. For this reason I am super excited about the micro-IPO provision that Dyna and the DNotes team discovered. That is seriously an amazing find!

When a coin starts getting adopted by a much wider group, the price will go up, but it will hit a point where people won't pay any more for it and then it will come down and eventually reach an equilibrium until another mass adoption event happens to push the price up. The secret here is to always have a good reason for someone to buy DNotes. If they didn't get in on the very first price hike, if it's a good project (which it is) then there will always be another price hike when it picks up a new market, and in between the price should be pretty stable I would think.

As for the current wealthy (hedge fund managers and the like) getting involved, I'm not too worried about them. Sure, it's great if you happen to be holding the coin that they're suddenly interested in. But if they're really buying your coin for their clients, that's a good time to take some profits, because I think they can pump the price a lot because they have plenty of money, and that pump is less sustainable than the kind of pump you get when your coin gets into a genuine new market, i.e., a new group of genuine adopters.

I obviously don't have a crystal ball, so no guarantee that any of this will actually happen. But that's how I see it. Ultimately, a coin will rise or fall on its fundamentals, and DNotes has some great ones. I tell people that DNotes currently is one of the most undervalued coins in existence. But honestly, all the coins that are good are very much undervalued because so few people (relatively speaking) even know about them.
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A short clip from Alan's interview with Adam Chapnick from ICOInvestor.tv. ICOInvestor.tv is fairly new to the industry and they are just getting started, so we don't know when or if this interview will air, but here is just a short segment from the interview.


https://youtu.be/TPMuX0vgBhE



Great point in the video, I have a couple secondary questions on this (for anyone who feels like chiming in). There is some agreement in the industry that mass adoption will solve cryptocurrency's volatility. The problems I see in this are:

1) Any currency that has a severely restricted incoming supply would see prices absolutely skyrocket if there was a 'mass acceptance sized amount' of investment being pumped into the market, how could these currencies ever achieve stability once their growth period has ended?

2) Using fiat investment as the main driver of mass acceptance means that the exact same people who control most of the money now, will likely control cryptocurrency. Could this negate any chance there was at using cryptocurrency as a means of financial inclusion? People won't use cryptocurrency if it doesn't better their life, so why would they switch monetary systems if it's just going to put them further from the top?

As long as the interest and demand grows, if no new currency is created, then it has to rely supply of people willing to sell. I believe you are correct that something like a bitcoin, as it stands today, it would be difficult if not impossible to achieve equilibrium and relative stability over the longer term. DNotes goal of stability is not a perfect level of value, but growing value slowly over time without disrupting day to day financial activity.

There are multiple issues in regards to financial inclusion. I think in terms of equal financial opportunity rather than strict equality or equality of outcome. Whether you start with very little money, should not impact your ability to grow at an equal rate as everyone else. We know that fiat will have less value over time, a savings account offers a negligible yield, investing in stocks can be risky and require specialized knowledge, not to mention the cost can far outweigh any gains when dealing with small amounts, among many other things that make it difficult for someone with not a lot of money to benefit from the financial system. But imagine if the value of your money could grow slowly over time, because value isn't extracted from the currency, along with a modest interest.

Whether or not someone enters the system with a lot of money, in a system like DNotes is creating, should have no impact on the individuals starting with very little ability to benefit from the system. I believe that is very different than the existing financial system, and benefits everyone.
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A short clip from Alan's interview with Adam Chapnick from ICOInvestor.tv. ICOInvestor.tv is fairly new to the industry and they are just getting started, so we don't know when or if this interview will air, but here is just a short segment from the interview.


https://youtu.be/TPMuX0vgBhE



Great point in the video, I have a couple secondary questions on this (for anyone who feels like chiming in). There is some agreement in the industry that mass adoption will solve cryptocurrency's volatility. The problems I see in this are:

1) Any currency that has a severely restricted incoming supply would see prices absolutely skyrocket if there was a 'mass acceptance sized amount' of investment being pumped into the market, how could these currencies ever achieve stability once their growth period has ended?

2) Using fiat investment as the main driver of mass acceptance means that the exact same people who control most of the money now, will likely control cryptocurrency. Could this negate any chance there was at using cryptocurrency as a means of financial inclusion? People won't use cryptocurrency if it doesn't better their life, so why would they switch monetary systems if it's just going to put them further from the top?
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The US Department of Justice is reportedly considering action against rogue ICOs

https://www.businessinsider.com/icos-us-department-of-justice-considering-action-against-rogue-ico-2017-11

The US Department of Justice (DoJ) is considering taking action against "initial coin offerings" (ICOs), according to a report in the Financial Times.

It is clear that there are fraud cases and bad actors looking to exploit ICO in an attempt to use new technology as a loophole to the rules without getting an official exception. Especially after the attending the World Funding Summit it is clear that there are guidelines to raising money regardless of whether it is an ICO or a more traditional approach. So I am not surprised they are actively seeking cases of clear fraud and looking to send a clear message.

I have a conspirative hunch that a majority of fraudulent ICO's may be by a relatively small number of players. So maybe after authorities uncover a few cases of fraud, a whole web will be exposed. This will save legitimate players in the ICO sector a whole lot of headache in dealing with widespread regulatory crackdown. Although this may be wishful thinking, we can only hope.
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The US Department of Justice is reportedly considering action against rogue ICOs

https://www.businessinsider.com/icos-us-department-of-justice-considering-action-against-rogue-ico-2017-11

The US Department of Justice (DoJ) is considering taking action against "initial coin offerings" (ICOs), according to a report in the Financial Times.

It is clear that there are fraud cases and bad actors looking to exploit ICO in an attempt to use new technology as a loophole to the rules without getting an official exception. Especially after the attending the World Funding Summit it is clear that there are guidelines to raising money regardless of whether it is an ICO or a more traditional approach. So I am not surprised they are actively seeking cases of clear fraud and looking to send a clear message.
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A short clip from Alan's interview with Adam Chapnick from ICOInvestor.tv. ICOInvestor.tv is fairly new to the industry and they are just getting started, so we don't know when or if this interview will air, but here is just a short segment from the interview.


https://youtu.be/TPMuX0vgBhE

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The US Department of Justice is reportedly considering action against rogue ICOs

https://www.businessinsider.com/icos-us-department-of-justice-considering-action-against-rogue-ico-2017-11

The US Department of Justice (DoJ) is considering taking action against "initial coin offerings" (ICOs), according to a report in the Financial Times.
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A couple more pictures the World Funding Summit has shared.


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After a super big lose of 94% i moved my coins from poloniex to cryptopia. My question is If someone leave DNotes on exchange will they be swapped automatically or what?

Hi ZurbCash, welcome to the DNotes forum. We do intend to reach out to the exchanges to participate in the swap, but ultimately it will be up to each exchange. The DNotesVault will be automatically swapped upon release of DNotes 2.0.

Ok i have moved my coins to dnotesvault.com, now my coins will auto swap?

Great move. Yes, DNotesVault will swap your coins 1 for 1 upon the release of DNotes 2.0.
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Local Regulation of a Global Currency

I'm going to start with admitting I have absolutely no idea how China adjusted its cash liquidity in the article linked below. I'm hoping someone on this thread can shine some light on that, because it did not seem to devalue the CNY like printing cash would.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/chinas-liquid-injection-could-be-bitcoins-delight

But I certainly recognised the effect the article claims shutting down Chinese exchanges has had. kopes18 had already confirmed my suspicions that exchanges would have just moved their operations, but not their customer base:
Most exchanges in China have already moved outside, Hong Kong, Japan and so on.

This article adds to that by pointing out how China may have moved against exchanges to stop the outflow of capital. But instead of achieving it, their move has now moved profits to the countries that the exchanges have been forced to move to.

I find all this fascinating because before cryptocurrencies enabled true exchange of value regardless of country of origin, similar moves controlling the physical exchange of fiat currencies were much more successful. Certainly excessive control of fiat exchange plays into the hands of black markets. But the clear increase of risk works to dampen that trade. Whereas the inbuilt security of cryptocurrency makes dealing with markets outlawed by your own country much safer. Leaving your cryptocurrency in these exchanges is still a high risk proposition though.

So while it is clear that the disruptive effect of cryptocurrencies and their ability to transfer value much cheaper than banking services provide puts the old financial systems under pressure and into opposition. China's actions, as an early and effective controller, expose how futile government regulation will be. This is, in my opinion, likely to discourage the big banks from putting pressure on governments to regulate cryptocurrency to retain their own market advantage. And this leaves them the final option of funding and generating negative propaganda about the cryptocurrency industry instead. And as I see it, the coming collapse of many ICO ventures will give them plenty to write warnings about. Let's just see how effective they are at muddying the water between tokens and alt-currencies.

Thanks, Tim. I am no expert on this subject either, especially since I have not stayed as current on China economic and financial situations as I used to be.

China’s growth over the last few decades has been spectacular. However, it was done at an excessive cost. They became aggressively over-leveraged with the participation of hundreds of SOEs (State-owned Enterprises) SOEs are notorious for their poor management, inefficiency, inaccurate data reporting, and corruptions. Reforms have been going on for the last 20 years with minimal improvement.

This is worth noting, “To offset the economic slowdown due to decreased exports from the 2008 global financial crisis, SOEs have taken on an increased role in government spending, triggering an even sharper deterioration of SOE accounts. The latest official data show that the total assets and liabilities of Chinese SOEs reached 144.90 trillion RMB (US$22 trillion) and 95.26 trillion RMB (US$14.4 trillion) respectively by the end of July 2017. While accounting for a quarter of national total assets, SOEs only accounted for a seventh of China’s GDP in 2016.” http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2017/10/04/chinas-twenty-year-dream-of-soe-reform-still-unfulfilled/

China certainly has a capital drain problem the Chinese government has been concerned about for some time. Meanwhile, the government is also concerned that the Chinese economy has been slowing down. One of the common tools of Central banks is to buy and sell securities – (short and long-term).

“When the central bank buys securities, it adds cash to the banks' reserves. That gives them more money to lend. When the central bank sells the securities, it places them on the banks' balance sheets and reduces its cash holdings. The bank now has less to lend. A central bank buys securities when it wants expansionary monetary policy. It sells them when it executes contractionary monetary policy.”  https://www.thebalance.com/monetary-policy-tools-how-they-work-3306129

Chinese citizens are very resourceful. They can always find a different way to get their money out of the country. Bitcoin and digital currency made it more convenient.

Deleveraging seldom has a short-term impact on the value of the currency. However, over the longer-term it could be a contributor to unintended consequences – devaluation of the currency. In the meantime, it involves many balancing acts.
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After a super big lose of 94% i moved my coins from poloniex to cryptopia. My question is If someone leave DNotes on exchange will they be swapped automatically or what?

Hi ZurbCash, welcome to the DNotes forum. We do intend to reach out to the exchanges to participate in the swap, but ultimately it will be up to each exchange. The DNotesVault will be automatically swapped upon release of DNotes 2.0.

Ok i have moved my coins to dnotesvault.com, now my coins will auto swap?
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Local Regulation of a Global Currency

I'm going to start with admitting I have absolutely no idea how China adjusted its cash liquidity in the article linked below. I'm hoping someone on this thread can shine some light on that, because it did not seem to devalue the CNY like printing cash would.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/chinas-liquid-injection-could-be-bitcoins-delight

But I certainly recognised the effect the article claims shutting down Chinese exchanges has had. kopes18 had already confirmed my suspicions that exchanges would have just moved their operations, but not their customer base:
Most exchanges in China have already moved outside, Hong Kong, Japan and so on.

This article adds to that by pointing out how China may have moved against exchanges to stop the outflow of capital. But instead of achieving it, their move has now moved profits to the countries that the exchanges have been forced to move to.

I find all this fascinating because before cryptocurrencies enabled true exchange of value regardless of country of origin, similar moves controlling the physical exchange of fiat currencies were much more successful. Certainly excessive control of fiat exchange plays into the hands of black markets. But the clear increase of risk works to dampen that trade. Whereas the inbuilt security of cryptocurrency makes dealing with markets outlawed by your own country much safer. Leaving your cryptocurrency in these exchanges is still a high risk proposition though.

So while it is clear that the disruptive effect of cryptocurrencies and their ability to transfer value much cheaper than banking services provide puts the old financial systems under pressure and into opposition. China's actions, as an early and effective controller, expose how futile government regulation will be. This is, in my opinion, likely to discourage the big banks from putting pressure on governments to regulate cryptocurrency to retain their own market advantage. And this leaves them the final option of funding and generating negative propaganda about the cryptocurrency industry instead. And as I see it, the coming collapse of many ICO ventures will give them plenty to write warnings about. Let's just see how effective they are at muddying the water between tokens and alt-currencies.
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The Elephant in the Room: Cryptocurrency’s Massive Bubble(s)

https://dnotesedu.com/2017/11/the-elephant-in-the-room-cryptocurrencys-massive-bubbles/


That's an interesting article. I have been personally puzzled by the rush to invest in lots of different ICOs or even a new coin that looks flashy. I picked some new coins to invest in back in 2014, including DNotes, and what's funny is that two of those coins I picked back then I'm still investing in now, and they're like old coins. I've picked up one new coin since then whose future is up in the air but other than that, I'm sticking with the tried and true ones, and trying to add to my holdings as much as I can.

One thing that truly puzzles me is the Ethereum phenomenon, and I'm wondering if anyone here would like to comment on it. I avoided Ethereum for the longest time because every time I heard something about it, it was bad. Smart contracts getting hacked, millions of Dollars worth getting lost or held up somewhere in the etherspace where no one could find them until they sort of wandered back home. I wanted nothing to do with it. If I heard of an interesting ICO, I'd look into it and as soon as I learned it was ethereum based I'd drop it like a hot potato. I recently got into the position where I own two different ETH based tokens (one because I thought it was a NEM token and the other because I was kind of forced to--long story). So I finally tried to get a wallet and my first attempt failed repeatedly, until I finally switched to a different wallet. It works, but is very clunky. I guess what I don't understand is how a coin that is so awful can be priced so high and be so popular per coinmarketcap. That's the part I truly do not understand. Why is Ethereum where it is, and not one of a half dozen other coins that do smart contracts and wallets far better?

Thank you, wiser. I always enjoy your posts – original, honest and refreshing. The fact that your picked two from years back that are still promising today, by itself, is quite amazing.

I have high regards for Ethereum, despite their occasional stumble. It is difficult to be perfect. There is a lot of untested ground and uncontrollable.

However, I am concerned about the potential fall-out of ICOs that SEC may deem “securities” that were sold without registration or exemption. Among other remedies, they can issue a rescission order to rescind or return the proceeds of the fund raised; much of the amount is still held as Ether and Bitcoin. A major case or a combination of a few could cause significant value adjustment. A wide-spread enforcement could be very damaging.


Thanks for the kind words. I like your perspective on Ethereum--focus on what that project has accomplished, which is considerable.

The two "new" coins I got into in 2014 are NEM and DNotes. With DNotes, it was the professionalism and dedication to developing solid infrastructure that won me over. With NEM, I kind of fell into it because I had been playing around with NXT, unfortunately not profitably, and some of their team decided to launch NEM and I got a stake figuring I had nothing to lose. Now I wish I'd gotten two or three. In 2015 I got involved with DMD, which by that time was already nearly three years old, and the longevity interested me. Early on I took a small writing gig with them and was very impressed with the thoroughness and ease of communication I had with the lead developer. That coin is now 4.5 years old and going strong, and paying a lot of my bills. The two newer coins I'm into now are STEEM--I really like the blogging for currency concept--(though right now I need to figure out if they're having growing pains or real issues), and VIVA, which I think is a great concept that will make it but at this stage is still a wild card.

Honestly, four or five coins is about all I can handle keeping up with, so I'm not even looking at the new ones coming out. One thing I love about DNotes is that if I'm not around for a couple months I don't have to worry that there will ever be some deal breaking piece of information that I missed that I should have acted on immediately (as in sell off all my coins). I can know that DNotes will still be there and making progress.


Thanks, wiser. You are very analytical and objective in your selections. Many investors in our industry can learn from you. There are always leaders and followers in any competitive industry, such as ours. And you are able to identify them.

DNotes has a lot of moving parts and only those who can connect all the dots can appreciate its true value. It is strategically designed to be a long-term player and positioned for the next wave of serious investors and professional fund managers who take their fiduciary duties seriously. I have no doubt that our relentless commitment to building a trusted brand with integrity will be quite valuable one day and we all can be proud of it.



I really enjoyed the article, especially because I hadn't heard about the Enron scandal. But it makes me really wonder about the definition of a 'bubble'. I've read about the Tulip bubble, the over-heated market and investing in investment companies that preceded that Wall Street Crash of 1929, the dotcom bubble, and in Australia, we've been waiting for the real-estate bubble to pop for well over a decade now. But the difference I see between these bubbles, and the cryptocurrency bubble is the underlying value of the investment. Tulips were over-priced, but still had natural value. Where as many of the dotcom companies received investment without ever having much of a chance at success, and had nothing of value at the time of investment other than a plan or an idea.

I think that the cryptocurrency bubble can be reasonably divided into two halves. One is bitcoin and the other is speculation on the value of ICO tokens.

I'm just guessing, but my feeling is that the majority of investors in ICOs never intend to use most of their tokens on the service that the ICO company is developing. For example, if you buy into an ICO that is going to offer you the ability to buy listening-hours on a music content platform, and invest US$1,000. It is not because you intend to get $1,000 dollars worth of great listening experience from your tokens. It is because you're hoping that you'll be able to sell the tokens to investors or listeners for more than you paid for them. If the ICO developers deliver a solid and wanted product, you might make a legitimate income by assisting developers bring a product to market. But because these ICOs typically gain hundreds of times more in funding than the development should cost on the open market, I feel like this outcome is unlikely or will be vary rare.

Instead my guess is that early buyers in ICOs will profit by selling to the greater fool, and like any other pyramid scheme, it is doomed to end in tears. In this way, I see the ICO industry when viewed as a single unit as a bubble caused by investors hoping for nothing more than to sell before the crash.

Bitcoin is different to this. And while the current price might be ten or one hundred times its present value, I believe that at some point in the future, the current price will reflect bitcoin's real worth as a utility, not a commodity. I also believe this is a widely held view and that many people who buy into bitcoin, even at the current price, will hold onto their investment through any trough, in the solid belief that it will always recover.

But when I refer to bitcoin, I'm not really thinking about the current dominant cryptocurrency. I'm thinking about the utility of the blockchain concept and the coin that does the best job of providing that utility and supporting services. I am also aware that I'm not alone in this way of thinking because the concept is neatly wrapped up in the term, "the flippening". This is the point where bitcoin loses the combined market advantages that it currently enjoys from being both the first, and the most valuable / popular.

If or when a cryptocurrency becomes more popular than bitcoin, it is believed that there will be a sudden and irreversible shift of investment from bitcoin, to the new favourite. And this is where I see the line between tokens, and other cryptocurrencies. Certainly some believe that bitcoin will continue to be the base coin, while their favoured cryptocurrency will be successful in parallel due to better functionality and supporting services. But I'm sure just as many investors in alt-currencies believe that they choice will eventually win out over bitcoin, and they will reap huge profits by being early adopters taking advantage of an undervalued coin.

So while I don't see bitcoin as a concept as being a bubble, I do believe that there will be a point in time when bitcoin the currency will lose favour to some other currency and become close to worthless. And in that way, bitcoin owners who don't move fast enough will be burnt by the flippening as surely as investors in a bubble.

As for DNotes, I see that it has huge potential. DNotes Global Inc is currently providing value to the community with its strong focus on education, and the care it is taking to establish a standard of ethical and inclusive behaviour in the industry. I don't see DNotes cryptocurrency having much current value as a utility because I have not seen it traded for goods or services outside of its growing community. I have never independently come across DNotes being used functionally. So whether DNotes will end up providing functional services along side bitcoin, or if ultimately DNotes will become the coin to dethrone bitcoin, I can't tell. I see they have the business acumen, and corporate culture it requires. But to achieve their potential everything depends on the functionality of DNotes and its supporting services.

I wouldn't call this a definitive example of utility value or functionality by any means, but I've gifted people DNotes for doing voluntary work, and have included DNotes as a tip/gratuity for work that was paid in fiat. The thing I like about this means of distribution is that you're giving it to people who know the value of hard work, and understand what value productivity adds to a financial network. DNotesVault makes this very easy, because it doesn't take much tech experience to figure out, and all people need to remember to receive money is the email address they used to sign up.

The ICO's are truly getting insane, many of them don't even have a blockchain at the time of launch. So if a promise to build a blockchain can be worth how ever many hundreds of millions of dollars to speculators, then what is a blockchain that has been operating functionally for several years worth? I've been kicking around cryptocurrency for a few years now and in that time I've seen hundreds and hundreds of blockchains break or be completely abandoned. I have never and will never participate in a black market ICO, because I've witnessed far too high a percentage of investors lose it all in a short period of time. DNotes has made is through some pretty tough trials and tribulations... I mean if we look at the price now, let's face it, it's bad. But even with that low price, the team is unwavering in their support and level of work ethic. While a good majority of teams would walk away from problems like this, we hit them head on and keep plowing through!

Tim, again excellent job. I appreciate your earnest efforts to look at things from different prospective and share the reasoning why you arrived at that conclusion.

This is the current reality confronting our industry, “majority of investors in ICOs never intend to use most of their tokens on the service that the ICO company is developing …. early buyers in ICOs will profit by selling to the greater fool.” It is difficult to refute this statement.

Herein lies the problem. The token is sold as an investment. It is speculated, sometimes manipulated, as an investment for greater gain. All the characteristics, based on facts and circumstances, lead one to conclude that it is a security, labeled as “token”. We could call it by a different name, but that does not change its status. All the characteristics remained the same. It is illegal to sell securities in the United States, and other countries for the matter, that are not registered or exempt.

Now let’s look at the next conundrum. The token, or cryptocurrency is generated in a decentralized setting governed by algorithm. It is leaderless and no single individual or group of individuals controls it or has the right to do so. That is the beauty of the decentralized system. But, it has its limitations and can be problematic as we have seen many times.  

There is another crucial point to consider. The token holders, or stakeholders have no ownership rights to the private entity that raised all the money with total control over them. The “Golden Rule” applies here just as well – “He who holds the gold makes the rules.” The rules are never in favor of those who have handed over their money, without ownership rights to the new asset – a private entity in most cases. Unfortunately, the prevailing mentality is – who cares, if, I can find a greater fool and still make a profit. Sadly, we always run out of “fools” even when one is born every minute. That is the impending risk of a typical bubble before reaching its breaking point.

We have the foresight to see all these at the launching of DNotes on February 18, 2014 and have been building a different path; whereby, one day, we can successfully bridge the gap between the new decentralized world with the centralized world. I have no doubt that it can be done, and it will be done. But, wow, getting people to understand to the point that they can connect all the dots seems to be our biggest challenge.
 
With due respect, many in our industry are clueless what DNotes is all about.  I am sure we have many skilled writers in our community who can do a good job in explaining the DNotes difference and an effective way to connect the dots. I challenge you to join me in our efforts to get the message out.

In preparation for our funding for DNotes Global, Inc. I have been talking to many professionals in the legal and financial arena and keeping myself extremely busy these days. It is very challenging, but I believe it will be well worth it. While not many of them are as knowledgeable on the relevant subjects as I wished, I believe that we can engage the right firm to assist us in getting the job done. And there is a general consent that A+ Mini-IPO title IV tier 2 is the most appropriate program for us.  
 
A+ Mini-IPO title IV tier 2 under the Jobs Act allows us to raise up to $50 from accredited investors, and non-accredited investors with a 10% limit on annual gross earnings or net worth whichever is greater.  We can set a lower minimum, like $5 but cannot raise more than $50 over 12 months. Although only US and Canadian companies are qualified to use Reg. A+, anyone globally can participate as an investor, subject to their domestic rules if any. Equally important, once approved general solicitations and advertisement worldwide are permitted.

I shall conclude here and wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving.
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The Elephant in the Room: Cryptocurrency’s Massive Bubble(s)

https://dnotesedu.com/2017/11/the-elephant-in-the-room-cryptocurrencys-massive-bubbles/


That's an interesting article. I have been personally puzzled by the rush to invest in lots of different ICOs or even a new coin that looks flashy. I picked some new coins to invest in back in 2014, including DNotes, and what's funny is that two of those coins I picked back then I'm still investing in now, and they're like old coins. I've picked up one new coin since then whose future is up in the air but other than that, I'm sticking with the tried and true ones, and trying to add to my holdings as much as I can.

One thing that truly puzzles me is the Ethereum phenomenon, and I'm wondering if anyone here would like to comment on it. I avoided Ethereum for the longest time because every time I heard something about it, it was bad. Smart contracts getting hacked, millions of Dollars worth getting lost or held up somewhere in the etherspace where no one could find them until they sort of wandered back home. I wanted nothing to do with it. If I heard of an interesting ICO, I'd look into it and as soon as I learned it was ethereum based I'd drop it like a hot potato. I recently got into the position where I own two different ETH based tokens (one because I thought it was a NEM token and the other because I was kind of forced to--long story). So I finally tried to get a wallet and my first attempt failed repeatedly, until I finally switched to a different wallet. It works, but is very clunky. I guess what I don't understand is how a coin that is so awful can be priced so high and be so popular per coinmarketcap. That's the part I truly do not understand. Why is Ethereum where it is, and not one of a half dozen other coins that do smart contracts and wallets far better?

Thank you, wiser. I always enjoy your posts – original, honest and refreshing. The fact that your picked two from years back that are still promising today, by itself, is quite amazing.

I have high regards for Ethereum, despite their occasional stumble. It is difficult to be perfect. There is a lot of untested ground and uncontrollable.

However, I am concerned about the potential fall-out of ICOs that SEC may deem “securities” that were sold without registration or exemption. Among other remedies, they can issue a rescission order to rescind or return the proceeds of the fund raised; much of the amount is still held as Ether and Bitcoin. A major case or a combination of a few could cause significant value adjustment. A wide-spread enforcement could be very damaging.


Thanks for the kind words. I like your perspective on Ethereum--focus on what that project has accomplished, which is considerable.

The two "new" coins I got into in 2014 are NEM and DNotes. With DNotes, it was the professionalism and dedication to developing solid infrastructure that won me over. With NEM, I kind of fell into it because I had been playing around with NXT, unfortunately not profitably, and some of their team decided to launch NEM and I got a stake figuring I had nothing to lose. Now I wish I'd gotten two or three. In 2015 I got involved with DMD, which by that time was already nearly three years old, and the longevity interested me. Early on I took a small writing gig with them and was very impressed with the thoroughness and ease of communication I had with the lead developer. That coin is now 4.5 years old and going strong, and paying a lot of my bills. The two newer coins I'm into now are STEEM--I really like the blogging for currency concept--(though right now I need to figure out if they're having growing pains or real issues), and VIVA, which I think is a great concept that will make it but at this stage is still a wild card.

Honestly, four or five coins is about all I can handle keeping up with, so I'm not even looking at the new ones coming out. One thing I love about DNotes is that if I'm not around for a couple months I don't have to worry that there will ever be some deal breaking piece of information that I missed that I should have acted on immediately (as in sell off all my coins). I can know that DNotes will still be there and making progress.


Thanks, wiser. You are very analytical and objective in your selections. Many investors in our industry can learn from you. There are always leaders and followers in any competitive industry, such as ours. And you are able to identify them.

DNotes has a lot of moving parts and only those who can connect all the dots can appreciate its true value. It is strategically designed to be a long-term player and positioned for the next wave of serious investors and professional fund managers who take their fiduciary duties seriously. I have no doubt that our relentless commitment to building a trusted brand with integrity will be quite valuable one day and we all can be proud of it.



I really enjoyed the article, especially because I hadn't heard about the Enron scandal. But it makes me really wonder about the definition of a 'bubble'. I've read about the Tulip bubble, the over-heated market and investing in investment companies that preceded that Wall Street Crash of 1929, the dotcom bubble, and in Australia, we've been waiting for the real-estate bubble to pop for well over a decade now. But the difference I see between these bubbles, and the cryptocurrency bubble is the underlying value of the investment. Tulips were over-priced, but still had natural value. Where as many of the dotcom companies received investment without ever having much of a chance at success, and had nothing of value at the time of investment other than a plan or an idea.

I think that the cryptocurrency bubble can be reasonably divided into two halves. One is bitcoin and the other is speculation on the value of ICO tokens.

I'm just guessing, but my feeling is that the majority of investors in ICOs never intend to use most of their tokens on the service that the ICO company is developing. For example, if you buy into an ICO that is going to offer you the ability to buy listening-hours on a music content platform, and invest US$1,000. It is not because you intend to get $1,000 dollars worth of great listening experience from your tokens. It is because you're hoping that you'll be able to sell the tokens to investors or listeners for more than you paid for them. If the ICO developers deliver a solid and wanted product, you might make a legitimate income by assisting developers bring a product to market. But because these ICOs typically gain hundreds of times more in funding than the development should cost on the open market, I feel like this outcome is unlikely or will be vary rare.

Instead my guess is that early buyers in ICOs will profit by selling to the greater fool, and like any other pyramid scheme, it is doomed to end in tears. In this way, I see the ICO industry when viewed as a single unit as a bubble caused by investors hoping for nothing more than to sell before the crash.

Bitcoin is different to this. And while the current price might be ten or one hundred times its present value, I believe that at some point in the future, the current price will reflect bitcoin's real worth as a utility, not a commodity. I also believe this is a widely held view and that many people who buy into bitcoin, even at the current price, will hold onto their investment through any trough, in the solid belief that it will always recover.

But when I refer to bitcoin, I'm not really thinking about the current dominant cryptocurrency. I'm thinking about the utility of the blockchain concept and the coin that does the best job of providing that utility and supporting services. I am also aware that I'm not alone in this way of thinking because the concept is neatly wrapped up in the term, "the flippening". This is the point where bitcoin loses the combined market advantages that it currently enjoys from being both the first, and the most valuable / popular.

If or when a cryptocurrency becomes more popular than bitcoin, it is believed that there will be a sudden and irreversible shift of investment from bitcoin, to the new favourite. And this is where I see the line between tokens, and other cryptocurrencies. Certainly some believe that bitcoin will continue to be the base coin, while their favoured cryptocurrency will be successful in parallel due to better functionality and supporting services. But I'm sure just as many investors in alt-currencies believe that they choice will eventually win out over bitcoin, and they will reap huge profits by being early adopters taking advantage of an undervalued coin.

So while I don't see bitcoin as a concept as being a bubble, I do believe that there will be a point in time when bitcoin the currency will lose favour to some other currency and become close to worthless. And in that way, bitcoin owners who don't move fast enough will be burnt by the flippening as surely as investors in a bubble.

As for DNotes, I see that it has huge potential. DNotes Global Inc is currently providing value to the community with its strong focus on education, and the care it is taking to establish a standard of ethical and inclusive behaviour in the industry. I don't see DNotes cryptocurrency having much current value as a utility because I have not seen it traded for goods or services outside of its growing community. I have never independently come across DNotes being used functionally. So whether DNotes will end up providing functional services along side bitcoin, or if ultimately DNotes will become the coin to dethrone bitcoin, I can't tell. I see they have the business acumen, and corporate culture it requires. But to achieve their potential everything depends on the functionality of DNotes and its supporting services.

I wouldn't call this a definitive example of utility value or functionality by any means, but I've gifted people DNotes for doing voluntary work, and have included DNotes as a tip/gratuity for work that was paid in fiat. The thing I like about this means of distribution is that you're giving it to people who know the value of hard work, and understand what value productivity adds to a financial network. DNotesVault makes this very easy, because it doesn't take much tech experience to figure out, and all people need to remember to receive money is the email address they used to sign up.

The ICO's are truly getting insane, many of them don't even have a blockchain at the time of launch. So if a promise to build a blockchain can be worth how ever many hundreds of millions of dollars to speculators, then what is a blockchain that has been operating functionally for several years worth? I've been kicking around cryptocurrency for a few years now and in that time I've seen hundreds and hundreds of blockchains break or be completely abandoned. I have never and will never participate in a black market ICO, because I've witnessed far too high a percentage of investors lose it all in a short period of time. DNotes has made is through some pretty tough trials and tribulations... I mean if we look at the price now, let's face it, it's bad. But even with that low price, the team is unwavering in their support and level of work ethic. While a good majority of teams would walk away from problems like this, we hit them head on and keep plowing through!
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