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Topic: do i have to pay tax on bitcoins ? - page 17. (Read 27964 times)

legendary
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February 17, 2017, 03:45:45 AM
The simple answer is no - in all countries that I know of.  However, you do need to pay transaction fees for miners.
The simple and complex answer is absolutely yes. There may be a few places like Dubai where you may not have to pay taxes. But almost every country in the world has a tax that covers bitcoin.   I don't know where people come up with this notion that bitcoin is not covered by tax law. Here in the U.S. all your money is taxable. If you found a dollar on the sidewalk you would owe tax on it. It's that simple, a gain in money triggers a taxable event.

sure if i found a random dollar on the street is taxable, actually this is a bit stupid because in some country of europe they don't tax you for a small sum like that, like they don't tax the homeless people that receive 1 dollar a day by begging

but let's assume that they are taxing even few cent, this is not equal to them knowing that i have found that cent which is simply impossible, thus i'm not obligated to declare anything if for them is impossble to find out
legendary
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February 16, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
The simple answer is no - in all countries that I know of.  However, you do need to pay transaction fees for miners.
The simple and complex answer is absolutely yes. There may be a few places like Dubai where you may not have to pay taxes. But almost every country in the world has a tax that covers bitcoin.   I don't know where people come up with this notion that bitcoin is not covered by tax law. Here in the U.S. all your money is taxable. If you found a dollar on the sidewalk you would owe tax on it. It's that simple, a gain in money triggers a taxable event.
sr. member
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February 16, 2017, 08:36:49 AM
The simple answer is no - in all countries that I know of.  However, you do need to pay transaction fees for miners.

If at any time we hear news about the purchase of property/car rental services using bitcoin payments. That is where we are talking about taxes, all things are accommodated into public sphere would be taxed sufficient for development and state services.

Now that doesn't yet exist, and gov just provide physical and income tax to bitcoin exchange market. True if we as customer is only charged a transaction fee. But in future, we should be aware of tax charged, because the welfare and security people come from the government, not of themselves.
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February 16, 2017, 07:34:31 AM
The simple answer is no - in all countries that I know of.  However, you do need to pay transaction fees for miners.
legendary
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February 15, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
Great to see stupidity still reigning here.

Go ahead and don't pay any taxes on your profits, kiddies.

Let us know how that works out if you're allowed to write from jail.
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February 15, 2017, 06:11:44 PM
I think as a good citizen has the obligation to pay taxes, but not with the tax bitcoin because each country has different regulations on taxation bitcoin, even in the state where I live there are no rules about Bitcoin taxes,

Whether you are following the rules of your government or not check it with your banks, because many people are paying taxes on bitcoin to the governments. Even though government are not involved in bitcoin but still they are accepting taxes on using bitcoin.

Exactly, when you pay taxes to government on time than there many chances that bitcoin be accepted by the governments. Because governments are treating that bitcoin is being used for many illegal activities, so if you pay taxes than it might be good reason for government to accept bitcoin as payment option.
That is the most stupid thing i have ever heard Cheesy why would a government accept bitcoin as a payment option if a few people are willing to pay their taxes .Let me tell you one thing,not only are they worried about the illegal activities they are worried about the cash flow which would hurt the economy.
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February 15, 2017, 01:17:22 AM
I think as a good citizen has the obligation to pay taxes, but not with the tax bitcoin because each country has different regulations on taxation bitcoin, even in the state where I live there are no rules about Bitcoin taxes,

Whether you are following the rules of your government or not check it with your banks, because many people are paying taxes on bitcoin to the governments. Even though government are not involved in bitcoin but still they are accepting taxes on using bitcoin.

Exactly, when you pay taxes to government on time than there many chances that bitcoin be accepted by the governments. Because governments are treating that bitcoin is being used for many illegal activities, so if you pay taxes than it might be good reason for government to accept bitcoin as payment option.
hero member
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February 12, 2017, 08:04:04 AM
well, maybe you do not have to pay taxes on the bitcoin.
bitcoin has been designed to be used free of charge, without having to pay taxes, and it is one of the advantages bitcoin. in addition, we use it on the internet, so we do not need to pay taxes, because it would only provide benefits to the government.
Well, in reality bitcoin is currency and for goverment it doesn't matter if it's crypto or not, in any case when you have btc business you have to pay tax but it's not for simply bitcoin users which use it for send and receive bitcoin because banks have their fees and bitcoin it's own fee. If you want to withdraw money than bank takes your and their fee.
Yes, bitcoin was created for that what you said but when we talk legal business, it's our duty to pay tax. In my country I don't need to pay fees but when I make transactions, bank automatically takes fees.
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February 12, 2017, 06:59:38 AM
I think as a good citizen has the obligation to pay taxes, but not with the tax bitcoin because each country has different regulations on taxation bitcoin, even in the state where I live there are no rules about Bitcoin taxes,

Whether you are following the rules of your government or not check it with your banks, because many people are paying taxes on bitcoin to the governments. Even though government are not involved in bitcoin but still they are accepting taxes on using bitcoin.
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February 11, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
well, maybe you do not have to pay taxes on the bitcoin.
bitcoin has been designed to be used free of charge, without having to pay taxes, and it is one of the advantages bitcoin. in addition, we use it on the internet, so we do not need to pay taxes, because it would only provide benefits to the government.
sr. member
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February 07, 2017, 03:12:00 PM
I think as a good citizen has the obligation to pay taxes, but not with the tax bitcoin because each country has different regulations on taxation bitcoin, even in the state where I live there are no rules about Bitcoin taxes,
legendary
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February 07, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
In most countries you DONT have to pay taxes on bitcoin. BUT when you sell your bitcoin for fiat and you want to pull out that fiat money from your bank account than you HAVE TO pay taxes.For example: in my country if I hold 10 bitcoins I have to pay 0 tax! BUT if I sell my bitcoins for 10000 usd and I convert them into my local currency i HAVE TO pay 2000 USD in my local currency or 20 percent!
legendary
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February 05, 2017, 06:08:33 PM
Some exchanges allow for withdrawals up to a certain amount without verification. Also, in case of small sums you can simply take a risk.
That said, there's not much to gain in trying to avoid taxes, because sooner or later you will have to buy something and the bigger the purchase will be the more difficult it will be to hide it.
For instance, try to hide a new house or apartment from the government, good luck with that Wink
It basically doesn't matter if they allow you to withdraw fiat without verification. If you're serious about your personal details to remain private, then withdrawing through whatever payment service won't be an option.

It's not about buying stuff. It's about keeping the wealth you have sitting in Bitcoin remain only to yourself without anyone knowing who or what these coins belong to.

If you manage to keep your coins hidden from the governments, then you can avoid paying tax over your wealth where in my case that's around 1.2% per year. Then we have to pay tax over our realized profits.

If you take that into consideration, then it's not a question of gaining something with hiding our coins, but more that we don't lose something when the governments find out about our wealth.
legendary
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February 05, 2017, 04:03:46 PM
If you don't want to face any problems with government it's better for you pay taxes to government on time. Because really it is wise decision so you will not be in any problems if you pay taxes on time to government.
Officially most people here are subject to certain tax laws that also apply to Bitcoin, but you can't blame people for not declaring their tax files in full honesty.

If you play it well, then there is barely any risk in having governments know that you have been avoiding tax through Bitcoin where you get a hefty penalty as result.

You will have to avoid using exchanges where you verify yourself with all your personal details, and also payment services and bank accounts. Basically everything that is asking for your information.

Buying and selling coins should be done locally where you meet up somewhere and complete the deals. It's of course not without risk, but at least you can obtain Bitcoin without verification and all other hassle.

If you want to do trading where you want to put your coins to work, then there are exchanges such as btc-e where you don't need any verification in order to start trading.

Just make sure you don't cash out fiat as you then might get forced to verify yourself. They can lock your coins until you come through with sufficient enough details and scans.
Some exchanges allow for withdrawals up to a certain amount without verification. Also, in case of small sums you can simply take a risk.
That said, there's not much to gain in trying to avoid taxes, because sooner or later you will have to buy something and the bigger the purchase will be the more difficult it will be to hide it.
For instance, try to hide a new house or apartment from the government, good luck with that Wink
legendary
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February 04, 2017, 04:51:15 PM
If you don't want to face any problems with government it's better for you pay taxes to government on time. Because really it is wise decision so you will not be in any problems if you pay taxes on time to government.
Officially most people here are subject to certain tax laws that also apply to Bitcoin, but you can't blame people for not declaring their tax files in full honesty.

If you play it well, then there is barely any risk in having governments know that you have been avoiding tax through Bitcoin where you get a hefty penalty as result.

You will have to avoid using exchanges where you verify yourself with all your personal details, and also payment services and bank accounts. Basically everything that is asking for your information.

Buying and selling coins should be done locally where you meet up somewhere and complete the deals. It's of course not without risk, but at least you can obtain Bitcoin without verification and all other hassle.

If you want to do trading where you want to put your coins to work, then there are exchanges such as btc-e where you don't need any verification in order to start trading.

Just make sure you don't cash out fiat as you then might get forced to verify yourself. They can lock your coins until you come through with sufficient enough details and scans.
sr. member
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February 04, 2017, 04:39:45 AM
If you don't want to face any problems with government it's better for you pay taxes to government on time. Because really it is wise decision so you will not be in any problems if you pay taxes on time to government.
sr. member
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January 31, 2017, 01:59:02 PM
so i wanna know do i realy have to pay taxes on bitcoins and does my gov recognize bitcoins as my property and do i have to care about any legal action by  gov on my bitcoin property ?

It really depends on what country that you lived in because some countries doesn't even support bitcoin and they just let it be. furthermore the government will not do anything if they don't support bitcoin they just let it slide for once's but they don't really understand the bitcoin thing but to some countries like United States that really supports bitcoin and they can make tax of it so that they will also earn bitcoin and also you must be able to be wise Cheesy in all times in bitcoin first you must make profit Cheesy
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January 31, 2017, 09:07:26 AM
If you want to use bitcoin wisely in any form like investment, gambling, trading. If you make any profits from it, definitely you have to pay taxes on it. If you taxes on your bitcoin earning than no government will ban your bank accounts and you won't any notices from government.
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January 30, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
In Croatia we dont need to pay tax.It depends on ecah country.If in your country you must pay tax then you must pay it when you withdrawal your money to your bank account.

Yeah every country has different rules on paying taxes, government will always welcome to people who want to pay taxes on using multiple currencies. But even each government will provide some rules and regulation on minimum usage, if people reach more than that means definitely they need to pay taxes on it.
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January 28, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
Israeli Tax Authority Declared Bitcoin a Taxable Asset,  Not Currency.
So Israeli cryptocurrency users have to pay the 25% capital gains tax every time they sell bitcoin, and bitcoin exchanges and miners charge 17% VAT.
This is a new thing, but I can't see how they are going to enforce it.
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