Topic: Do You Believe a New Forum Software Will Attract More Users to Bitcointalk? - page 5. (Read 1516 times)

Shut the fucking up Man!! There is no gist in this ugly comment of yours, we have 7 continents why Africa? BTT funds can feed Africa for 10 generations? Like what the fuck are you trying to say, man, BTT is not even worth more than $10m and what could $10m probably do for Africa? You shouldn't be making jokes man, this topic has nothing to do with race or nation, focus on the topic

This is why the forum is not stable, leaving everything in the hand of the mods, these people are humans and there must be a form of sentiment in their judgements. Set an official rule and let everyone go through the same judgement. If we are not able to handle the little population we have here then we don't have any right to dream about a better world. Charity begins at home.

Never seen a case like this maybe it happens once in a Blue Moon.

Even though I agree with you that rules should be the same for everyone, you have to understand that each moderator has his own interpretation of the rules and hence uses his own judgement. The ability to follow their own interpretation is actually one of the rules. That's why the admins can be a bit more lenient towards established members if getting rid of them would present a loss for the whole forum. The rules are unofficial and not something that is set in stone.

It might seem unfair, but it's OK if a distinction is made between the violations of established members and newbies who haven't contributed anything to the forum and are only here to abuse it. When it comes to plagiarism, each case is different. Most of the times, members get banned for it, other times only the post is deleted with no harder punishment for the member.       

1. New software or not nobody would care if the forum is not conducive enough and if defaulters of the system are not giving fair and equal justice, I've witnessed several cases where two or more persons fall victim of plagiarism but end up having different penalties for the same crime committed, the newbies are sent home while the rules are somehow bent to accommodate the established members. Rules should be rules.

2. Apart from the evil fee, what was the prominence of the copper membership fees? Was it for revenue? Because from my research it seems like a shortcut for scammers, majority of fake bounties are been managed by copper members, majority of the accused profile on scam accusation board are copper members. There are few good ones but the bad ones are just so much, maybe a kind of restriction on scammer profiles will help. You have to clean up the environment from toxic to attracts more people that's just it.!!

Ahhh, I feel so embarrassed right now.

Thanks for pointing it out!

The more I think about it, the more I like a shadow-ban type of system. The question is, how to implement it properly so it doesn't prevent people from wanting to register on Bitcointalk and only keeps the bad guys away? We know how resourceful they can be when they smell blood and an opportunity to scam and abuse. They can easily pretend to be regular newbies wanting to before part of the community, only to show their real faces once their shadow-bans are lifted.

You missed an important 3-letter word there. Not! As long as it's not broken...

I like the current version better, it's rather simple but new functionality can be added. If you are gonna create new forum for mobile users I would rather have an app.

I'm sure there are people who are accustomed to the current ui so much that new ui might put them off and even leave despite what good functions it offers.

When I first came here, I didn't see the appeal of the staying for long because of how bland it looks. I recalled it was due to locating some recovery wallet phrase for a Bitcoin wallet and setting up some miner's config file and it showed up on first on the SERP.

But competition? The OGs started their journey here, so Bitcointalk but nowadays people are just looking for contents. Legacy, maybe a second or two of marveling but that's pretty much that. Not like we'd see Satoshi and Laszlo returning anytime soon, if ever.

In other words, Bitcointalk was the launchpad of Bitcoin but nowadays people don't really care much about this and would rather focus on making money/ talking about latest developments.


It's no longer the early 2000s though, when UI was still in its infancy stage.

People want accessibility and now website design has come a long way. Gone were the days when redesigning a website took at least half a year, because now there are tools catered for that. The development process has been simplified over years via trial and error. So budget is definitely not an issue here because there are developers willing to take on such project, it's just if the admin(s) want it or not.

Should theymos really desire for one, pretty sure he'd get it done dinosaur ages ago. But I guess he doesn't want to prioritize if because he's pretty much content with the "as long as it's not broken, why fix it?" mantra. After all, money's still pouring in from advertisers and the funds held could feed the entire Africa for 10 generations (okay, I'm exaggerating but you get the gist).

For content, diversity within the community is important to maintain a longer attention span on the website. That's why community discussions like Reddit or Quora thrive because I could be talking about movies for a moment, followed by crypto the next. And most of the replies there are more genuine (not forced), and I'm pretty sure most of us can't deny that.

Probably not. Its the community, and the amount of information that's here on the forum that is the main draw. You generally get used to any software you use after a certain amount of time, and groundbreaking features or even a forum redesign isn't likely to change much in the statistics.

If there was more competition to Bitcointalk, then it might have a little more effect, but currently I don't think that is the case.
Its a preventive measure that most certainly does what it was implemented to do. Reduce the amount of users registering from a IP which has previously been associated with breaking the guidelines. However, I do agree to some extent that its probably not the perfect solution. I would much rather a shadow ban system, which may increase the workload of the staff, but would not effect the majority of the users on the forum, plus with a shadow ban system, you are effectively checking each user, and prevent many more users that might have malicious intent. I'm sure there are, and has been times when a user that wanted to join the forum with malicious intent as their primary goal, were willing to pay the fee if they profited from it. I'd like to see a shadow ban system which is only lifted manually, and not just after one good post, but after multiple posts or from moderator discretion. You could argue that it would be a much more restrictive approach to newbie jail, but I think with some thought put behind it, we could probably achieve what the evil fee is doing, and more.

I doubt that new forum software will attract many new users. Design of forum and software isn't main reason why people signup on forum. Main thing is always content. Yes, some people will start using forum because it will be mobile friendly, will look better and will have more features. But number of such users won't be significant.
As said above, best time of online forums is in past already and now young people prefer social media. Old and big forums will stay strong and popular for many years in future because large number of users. But they will struggle to attract young 18-22 years old people. They consider forums as thing from past and people who use it are boomers as they like to say.
But how many of them are real people who actually read and post here? I think very few of them. Most of them are just bots who will not make even single post.

Let's face it ... new users register daily, but that doesn't mean the statistics reflect the real state of affairs. There are 130,000 active profiles at the moment, of which probably 80% are newly registered accounts (within three months). Besides, you missed the fact that every day the number of inactive known users is increasing, those whose absence we could have noticed, but we don't notice the absence of hundreds or thousands of less well-known users.

Now let's count how many of the truly active users are regulars on sections that have nothing to do with Bitcoin ... horrifying numbers. I don’t want to go into details, but the situation is such that a new forum is really necessary if we want to preserve the legacy that we have. And as sad as it may sound, praising the current version of SMF is the height of selfishness in relation to the growing generation of Bitcoiners.

We are still good and day by day the forum is already growing with new users registering daily and with growing awareness we will automatically see the stats rising.We are community who prefer to have discussions to crypto related on the dedicated forum developed by Satoshi and all the boards are separated with each distinctive topic and moderators doing their job and managing the forum in prefect manner.We all need is members who want to share their knowledge and learn from others on this forum so why we need any changes when everything is going perfectly in my opinion and this old classic version is better than any modern upgradation.

The main purpose might not be to attract a wider userbase, but I think a bunch of the issues that plagued forum users throughout the years need to be fixed if Bitcointalk is to keep the ones they already have. Releasing a new forum that turns out to be inadequate (feature-wise) could have worse consequences than not creating a new one at all. It might become the reason why some users bid farewell to the community if they realize they waited all this time for something better, but it never arrived.

I love the forum design a lot because I don't see any kind of irritative ads on the sides of my screen, no pop-up, easy to read and discuss anything that we wanted. At first, it may look like an old design but once we are familiar with these things then no one is going to say that it is boring. Less traffic is actually due to the merit and ranking system since everyone wants to make money even though they don't have any knowledge related to it.

I don't know how the new forum is going to be but I guess there won't be huge increase in the userbase like social media where people actually register for nothing and wasting their valuable time such kind of members never going to realize the importance of bitcointalk.

Do I Believe new forum software will bring more users to Bitcointalk? No, we need to ask ourselves, how many people around the world now use Bitcoin or support it.
How many people are into making research about things going on within the system and not just into profit making. Mind you, this forum was created for the discussion of bitcoin, blockchain technology and cryptocurrency 
 I dont think good to compare crypto forum with social media network here alot of people can diverse of things.
 

I don't think a new forum software can bring more users to bitcointalk.


Although social networks are in a leading position in certain respects, online forums still have their unique value. Online forums can accumulate more knowledge and content, while the information is less fragmented. At the same time, online forums can discuss various questions and collisions in the form of questions and answers, and can conduct in-depth communication on related issues. Social media cannot achieve this, and the information on social media cannot be deposited as knowledge.


Although Bitcointalk has fewer users than before, I believe that the users who have remained on this forum so far are the most loyal users. This is also the greatest wealth of the entire Bitcoin community. Users are always the biggest asset of the community.


This is also the reason why I value bitcointalk the most. It has great historical significance. First of all, it was created by Satoshi Nakamoto, where the Bitcoin community was born. Secondly, many outstanding projects and legends have emerged from here. They spread the encrypted world step by step throughout the world. This is why I am writing here recently. I am now going to devote two months to write down all my in-depth thoughts on Bitcoin over the past four years and stay here. Let these words also become part of the history of Bitcoin development. After a while, I will start my new business, and I won’t have the time and energy to invest in this area. Therefore, I am now racing against time to write and summarize. In my opinion, bitcointalk belongs to the museum of bitcoin. Every article and every ID in it has the function of cultural relics and has traces of history. If you change to a brand-new website, it may look good in style, but it loses its historical heritage, instead it loses the soul of Bitcoin.


Yes, this is the role of online forums, which can really precipitate good content. Even after five or ten years, it can still be helpful to people in the future. This is far from being done by social media.


Yes, the new software has been developed for many years and has paid a huge cost for it. Is it necessary for us to replace the current forum for these already paid costs? I don't think it is necessary at all. Because we change the forum for the costs we have already paid, we may pay a higher price. In economics, there is a term called "sunk cost". "Sunk costs" refer to costs that have occurred but cannot be recovered, such as time, money, energy, etc., which can all be called "sunk costs". We have already paid a lot of time, money and energy for the development of new forum software. These are the costs we have already invested. But when we make a decision, we must consider not only the cost principle, but also the benefit maximization principle. It is a pity that these costs have already occurred, but we cannot make wrong decisions because of the pity of these costs and pay a higher price. The forum retains the status quo and can continue to accumulate history. But if the new version is updated and the expected effect is not obtained, then this forum may go to extinction.



I think it will definitely not increase, but it will decrease. Why do many old users continue to stay on bitcointalk? I believe that many people are used to it. Everyone is used to coming here every day to read posts, answer questions, and witness the growth of the Bitcoin community bit by bit. Here are the historical traces of Bitcoin's 12-year development. If it changes completely, it may break the original habit. The old users have no sense of familiarity with the new forum, and the new users have no feelings for the forum, the result can be imagined.


I believe that in 5 or 10 years, there will still be generations of Bitcoin believers coming here to look for the traces of Bitcoin. Just like me today. It wasn't until this July that I officially started posting in this forum. Because I also want to leave some traces of my own in the history of Bitcoin. Maybe 10 years later, there will be my own fans who come here to find my legend.

The forum or website will depend on the keyword so that can compete with the other site. No matter what the engine software used, if the site does not have a specific keyword that have the most search in the search engine, it will not appear in the number one of the search engine page.

I am not sure if by using a new forum software will attract more users to bitcointalk because I think many people come to here because of the keyword that they search with Google, Yahoo, Bing. But some of them come here because invitations that they see on the other website.

If the forum wants to attract more users, maybe using more keyword or fixing a problem on the title or other thing can give a good result for bitcointalk.org in the search engine and can increase the rank for some keyword.

This page https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalkorg-website-stats-traffic-keywords-etc-4948780 explain something to us but that is quite old and maybe is not up to date. In that thread, we can see what it need to fix or add something.

But I also tried with a free account at sitechecker.pro and here is the result:

https://sitechecker.pro/app/main/project/2142795/audit/summary

Simple redesign won't bring much change or new quality members and we talked about this subject so many times that it sounds a bit like broken record repeating.
 

In my opinion i guess that the release of the new forum software and page will be not attract much new Users.
For sure maybe a few but mostly i guess the Users will be coming if they searching for something about Crypto related or if they have problems.
We have seen that in the last few month in the german board , new Users coming and asking about a problem and if that is solved you hear nothing
or much more from them , sometimes they just open a Thread and dont write anything more again.
Most new Users are joining the Forum when the Bitcoin price is growing up and gets higher , we have seen that in the last years .

There are still a lot of discussion boards as far as I can see, but I think they're much less popular (and active) than they used to be.  That's unfortunate, because I think a lot of social media sites are just straight-up toxic to mental health--especially in young folks.  And one of the reasons that bitcointalk is as active as it is is because of bounties and signature campaigns, with the other main reason being the popularity of bitcoin.

I don't think an upgraded forum would change any of that.  I've heard a lot of comments as to how outdated the bitcointalk website is, but I'm just not sure how much aesthetics has to do with its appeal.  If that were the case, you'd think we'd see a huge number of members leaving the forum, but that isn't the case as far as I can see.  There are thousands of new members joining every year, and while some of them could be bots and/or alt accounts, that's still a lot of new people coming in.  So I don't think it's the forum's look that draws them in, and I don't think an upgrade would increase the number of new members (though I could be way off base).

I think that the best part will be, as DdmrDdmr also pointed out, that major search engines should not punish bitcointalk any longer. This will bring (hopefully a constant flux of) new users with genuine interest in crypto.
The mobile-friendly part will be... a bonus  

All in all, yes, I do believe that new forum software will help increase the user base.