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donator
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Go suck Mircea, you make a great couple!

I'm on it, but I'm always the big spoon.  He will suck me.  Is that OK with you?

Do you need photos, or will your fantasies be sufficient?

I'm happy you two found each other. Keep the pictures for Mircea's website Smiley.
donator
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GTFO child porn lover. Enjoy it while it last!

I find it reprehensible.  I asked Mircea about it, and he does not know what you're talking about.

Please do not call me something I am not, because I will have to assume you are illiterate or simply stupid.

In fact, allow me to save myself time and merely consider you stupid.

Edit: I see you edited your earlier post with a link.  I asked you to provide a definition of what you consider to be child pornography, not links I have no desire to view at this time.  Use your words.

Go suck Mircea, you make a great couple!
donator
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Nobody knew about the morals of that people from the begining, but we know very well about Mircea.
I did report him, we will see what is happening. If anybody wants to help please let his webspace provider know at [email protected].

We knew about Steve Jobs before he returned to Apple.  Don't come the raw prawn.

And reporting a serious moral outrage (that you fail to define) to a hosting provider instead of the authorities?  You, sir, are an accessory after the fact.  You, sir, are a disgusting party to trafficking in child pornography.

GTFO child porn lover. Enjoy it while it last!
donator
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I'm sure your morals are not affected by child porn. You are against putting money with the pirate, but you are OK with an exchange run by a child pornographer, turned morals teacher on the Internet.
You sure make a lot of sense.

You continue to have problems correlating loosely- or non-correlated items.  Plus, you make weird assumptions that are easily disproven.

1. I have never, ever, said I was against putting money with the pirate.

2. I cannot confirm your claim about child pornography, because eww.  I have your claim and no one else's.  I admit I would also find myself weighing whether I wanted to reward a "child pornographer" with my trading.  However, it would help me if you would define (do not give me images or other illegal material) what you mean by the term.

3. If he does have child pornography on his site, why have you not observed the categorical imperative, which is to report him to the authorities?  This should be easy, as he uses a US TLD.

4. I know he's a pervert and an asshole.  I know his mouthpiece fancies herself eloquent to the point of logorrhea.  The market has determined that it's willing to ignore serious personal moral failings (Steve Jobs?) if professional ethics are productive.  Christ, look at Michael Jackson.

Nobody knew about the morals of that people from the begining, but we know very well about Mircea.
I did report him, we will see what is happening. If anybody wants to help please let his webspace provider know at [email protected].

(NSFW) http://polimedia.us/dtng/f/
donator
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Yes, I do have a problem with people posting gore and child porn and then pretending to have high moral standards. I will repeat this all the time so put me on ignore.

Dig deep enough, and you will find something to offend your moral standards.  For example, your inability to disassociate sexual orthodoxy with pecuniary responsibility is offense to reason, intellectual rigor, and pragmatism.

I'm sure your morals are not affected by child porn. You are against putting money with the pirate, but you are OK with an exchange run by a child pornographer, turned morals teacher on the Internet.
You sure make a lot of sense.

hero member
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These loopholes and arbitrary, informal, procedures are why smart money avoids the exchanges.  It's like a random listing on the forum or -otc, but with a single bottleneck-a person represented by a silly nickname with no real background of trust or accountability.

The plural'd seem unwarranted as there's neither loopholes nor arbitrary or informal procedures on MPEx. Otherwise yes, one (of the many) reasons actual money avoids the Global Scam Exchange is the complete lack of...  I'm not even sure. Sanity, maybe. Let's recap this for the slower among us.

I. For the ~year it existed during which GLBSE listed ~50 or so scams the position of management was "we just list them, it's the job of the market to price them". Recently this policy was suddenly reversed. Does this mean that it was wrong and all the naive "investors" that lost money in the litany of GLBSE scams to date have now a claim against GLBSE management? (Tort, breach of duty of care etc?)

II. As part of the ongoing "Global Scam Exchange is where scams are listed" policy, the problem of dead assets (ie, that sticky residue left after a scam explodes) has been resolved through "new versions", "site redesigns" and such. The latest installment of this was the creation of four colored markets. The people who originally paid money to be listed in one environment have had their listings changed to a different environment. This is apparently not a matter of concern to Nefario (mostly because he is literally too stupid to realize unprodded how this would be a problem).

III. While the people that paid money to be listed are relegated to category III or IV, Nefario arbitrarily decides on the 20th of September that some random failed central ecurrency is going to be category I on the strength that some nitwit wandered into the Interscamgro conference talking about it. And this is "due diligence" and all that jazz. Just as arbitrarily (and just as irrationally) the entire thing gets dropped on the 22nd.

IV. While all this is going on people are still asking "what are the rules of these new categories" and are met with stone silence. Why? Because Nefario announced the categories before he actually made the rules that go with them. Why? Because he is stupid. Literally, he starts building a car with the paint, this is what it is.

V. While all this mess is going on, a horribly mismanaged asset (DMC) is suspended from trading, and the owner account locked. There is no mention of this in any TOS, it just "happened". After having taken action, Nefario thinks about the consequences of that action, and declares that there will be "a shareholder vote". The vote happens to reinstate the original owner (albeit he was a horrible manager for the asset), probably on the grounds that the measure of confiscating someone's asset was so stupidly executed and so appallingly planned that it just turned people's stomachs.

VI. In a typical bout of reality-divergent "thinking", Nefario announces a complex auditing process which will include "real auditors", which of course fails to materialize. He then refuses to name the auditors and eschews admitting that he's just... made some shit up on the subject. Much like the imaginary lawyers he's supposedly talking to, which are giving him some of the funniest advice one could imagine.

This list could go on forever, fake offerings of the exchange's own shares which are bought by investors and disputed to this day, on and on it goes but really there's little point. The situation is simply that some intellectually sub-par individual is pretending to be running "an exchange". This is fine for shits and giggles, but nobody sane would put money in there. Taking part in GLBSE could be a sort of participating in an MMO, maybe, drop twenty bucks a month into "investments" that go nowhere. Practically it's a subscription fee for the game.

Thinking that GLBSE it is a market, that it has anything to do with BTC finance and so forth is laughable.

I hope this clarifies the matter.
hero member
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The simplest way to get neutral google results is to put a simple query through a proxy:



I guess the results could be re-arranged in some subset of cases, but then it'd be second place or something like that.
legendary
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First result, dipshit. What's the first result?

MirceaPopescu.com, who seems to be an artist.

Remember that anyone who is logged into any google service is going to have google results personalised, maybe google knows which Mercea you visit most or something? Or is that artist site correct?

-MarkM-
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I googled him and all I could find was some artist with the same name and no real connection to the person running MPEX. http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8659705  and this....

Nefario can be found with a simple whois of glbse.com.

I know who the shady one is and its not Nefario.

First result, dipshit. What's the first result?
donator
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This is completely wrong, you absolutely need to know who a person is if they are selling something of considerable value, holding funds or running an exchange. The result of an anonymous person running an exchange will be depositors and "investors" losing their money when the exchange eventually disappears.

Stop with the bullshit. Have you as much as tried to google Mircea Popescu?

The reason he's not here talking to you is quite simply that you're not quite good enough. Not quite important enough. Not quite rich enough. To matter. So you're stuck with me. That is all.

To be clear, you are just a piece of shit, porno Mircea.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/heres-where-i-spew-my-accusations-against-mpoe-all-are-welcome-102333

WTF is your problem ciuciu? You need a chill pill. Does the porn affect the beauty of the MPEx site for you? Does porn offend your religious views? Does porn make your money worth less? Please do tell us what this bug up your ass is affecting so we can send you a correct surgeon.

Seriously, though, ciuciu, fuck off already. We get that you don't like MP. I'm sure he doesn't like you either. I'm sure at this point, I don't like you. I'm not sure if I like MP, but I do guarantee that MP is way funnier than you, and doesn't repeat stupid shit - so already I like him more than you.

FWIW, ciuciu, smart people don't invest with obsessive freaks who repeat the same negative (and irrelevant) message over and over. I will now ignore you, since this is about the only thing I see you post for the last 2 months.


Yes, I do have a problem with people posting gore and child porn and then pretending to have high moral standards. I will repeat this all the time so put me on ignore.
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IMO, for a "bond" contracts should not be able to change. The bond should be bought back, and then reissued. I suspect that the same should happen for a fund if the fund were to change contract (or direction, focus, and not be funding the original expectation).

A stock doesn't have a "contract" - there are typically Articles of Incorporation, and Corporate By-Laws. Typically these cannot be changed without a meeting and vote of shareholders. I cannot see how bitcoin or GLBSE changes this basic reality.

So - a "contract change" probably shouldn't be possible, necessary, or relevant.
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This is completely wrong, you absolutely need to know who a person is if they are selling something of considerable value, holding funds or running an exchange. The result of an anonymous person running an exchange will be depositors and "investors" losing their money when the exchange eventually disappears.

Stop with the bullshit. Have you as much as tried to google Mircea Popescu?

The reason he's not here talking to you is quite simply that you're not quite good enough. Not quite important enough. Not quite rich enough. To matter. So you're stuck with me. That is all.

To be clear, you are just a piece of shit, porno Mircea.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/heres-where-i-spew-my-accusations-against-mpoe-all-are-welcome-102333

WTF is your problem ciuciu? You need a chill pill. Does the porn affect the beauty of the MPEx site for you? Does porn offend your religious views? Does porn make your money worth less? Please do tell us what this bug up your ass is affecting so we can send you a correct surgeon.

Seriously, though, ciuciu, fuck off already. We get that you don't like MP. I'm sure he doesn't like you either. I'm sure at this point, I don't like you. I'm not sure if I like MP, but I do guarantee that MP is way funnier than you, and doesn't repeat stupid shit - so already I like him more than you.

FWIW, ciuciu, smart people don't invest with obsessive freaks who repeat the same negative (and irrelevant) message over and over. I will now ignore you, since this is about the only thing I see you post for the last 2 months.
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This is completely wrong, you absolutely need to know who a person is if they are selling something of considerable value, holding funds or running an exchange. The result of an anonymous person running an exchange will be depositors and "investors" losing their money when the exchange eventually disappears.

Stop with the bullshit. Have you as much as tried to google Mircea Popescu?

The reason he's not here talking to you is quite simply that you're not quite good enough. Not quite important enough. Not quite rich enough. To matter. So you're stuck with me. That is all.


I googled him and all I could find was some artist with the same name and no real connection to the person running MPEX. http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8659705  and this....

Nefario can be found with a simple whois of glbse.com.

I know who the shady one is and its not Nefario.
donator
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This is completely wrong, you absolutely need to know who a person is if they are selling something of considerable value, holding funds or running an exchange. The result of an anonymous person running an exchange will be depositors and "investors" losing their money when the exchange eventually disappears.

Stop with the bullshit. Have you as much as tried to google Mircea Popescu?

The reason he's not here talking to you is quite simply that you're not quite good enough. Not quite important enough. Not quite rich enough. To matter. So you're stuck with me. That is all.

To be clear, you are just a piece of shit, porno Mircea.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/heres-where-i-spew-my-accusations-against-mpoe-all-are-welcome-102333
donator
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This is completely wrong, you absolutely need to know who a person is if they are selling something of considerable value, holding funds or running an exchange. The result of an anonymous person running an exchange will be depositors and "investors" losing their money when the exchange eventually disappears.

Stop with the bullshit. Have you as much as tried to google Mircea Popescu?

The reason he's not here talking to you is quite simply that you're not quite good enough. Not quite important enough. Not quite rich enough. To matter. So you're stuck with me. That is all.

Ooh, I'm good, important, and rich...enough.  He takes the time out of his day to insult me personally.

I'd be more concerned with him being a Romanian pervert than anonymous.  There's only so much you can know about someone before you have to put on nitrile gloves before conversing with them.

So, are "GL" Nefario's real initials, or does he have BSE?
hero member
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This is completely wrong, you absolutely need to know who a person is if they are selling something of considerable value, holding funds or running an exchange. The result of an anonymous person running an exchange will be depositors and "investors" losing their money when the exchange eventually disappears.

Stop with the bullshit. Have you as much as tried to google Mircea Popescu?

The reason he's not here talking to you is quite simply that you're not quite good enough. Not quite important enough. Not quite rich enough. To matter. So you're stuck with me. That is all.
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PredicateQ is a stylistic convention in Mathematica.  It would be kind of like random-p in Lisp or possibly #isRandom in many OO languages.

Sorry for the confusion.  I was asking if you were a Mathematica fan. Smiley

Not to be more offtopic, but I also am fan of Mathematica.  You use for bitcoins?  How?

I'll PM you because this is waaaay off topic.
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PredicateQ is a stylistic convention in Mathematica.  It would be kind of like random-p in Lisp or possibly #isRandom in many OO languages.

Sorry for the confusion.  I was asking if you were a Mathematica fan. Smiley

Not to be more offtopic, but I also am fan of Mathematica.  You use for bitcoins?  How?
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Please keep Flaming to Low Levels, I want to discuss the issue and not what is causing this to come up?

Sorry about that.  By the way, MathematicaWonkQ["RandomQ"]?

I'm sorry are you asking if I have another account? (No, Only one on bitcointalk)

Are you asking me a programming language function? (Function not defined in my brain matter)
But if you asking if my Handle is Programming related? Yes, I've created this handle almost 18 years ago from a qbasic function I coded.
I have had more birthday cakes with my handle on it than my name in my lifetime, so at some point in my life I might legally change it ala dot com lol.



PredicateQ is a stylistic convention in Mathematica.  It would be kind of like random-p in Lisp or possibly #isRandom in many OO languages.

Sorry for the confusion.  I was asking if you were a Mathematica fan. Smiley
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If it's an asset with voting rights then usually contract changes require a vote, although if a change is proposed that is to the advantage of the asset holder then no vote is needed as the original contract is  being met, and with the new terms exceeded (i.e. it's to the asset holders advantage).

So...who decides that the change benefits the asset holder?  If I list that I will increase my dividends from 1%/week to 100%/week, can I push that through without a vote?  Even if, as of course everyone knows, such returns are "unsustainable"?

These loopholes and arbitrary, informal, procedures are why smart money avoids the exchanges.  It's like a random listing on the forum or -otc, but with a single bottleneck–a person represented by a silly nickname with no real background of trust or accountability.

There is no assurance that the capital exchanges won't be the next bitcoinica or whatever.  You fight attacks to your reputation defensively.  MP fights to keep his reputation clean (other than, well, you know who).  Both groups have "fans".  Either of you could just as easily be setting up a long con.

Remember, Trust No One.
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Even if a change is an advantage to the shareholder it should still require and vote by the entire shareholders. Because what if majority share holders disagree with the change and don't consider it in there best interest. They should be able to reject any contracts changes to the asset.

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