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Topic: Do you think 1.00 BTC will worth more than $10,000.00 USD at any time in 2015? - page 2. (Read 28801 times)

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Yea but now you are confusing traders with investors.

A trader will have no impact on the price's highness itself, a trader only tightens the spread and ads liquidity to it. Some will win and some will lose but its a zero sum game.

An investor will need rational requirements for to invest in bitcoin, but since it's established, sometimes a low price is enough. Perhaps a few good news.
Okay, I don't see how that invalidates my argument/post. Any intelligent investor knows to cut their losses. They're not going to keep throwing more money down the drain if they think the investment failed.

Ok but its not like bitcoin has failed because many people were scammed by MT Gox.

So what they lost a few $ here and there, but the price can easily turn around at anytime, and then recover the losses.

Of course those who quit BTC have lost forever.

There's an old saying: Every loss is only temporary, quitting makes it permanent Smiley

Isn't that the old saying of many a bankrupt compulsive gambler?

No because gambling was never set up for you to win, its for the house. But in trading it's different, if you know when, or how to trade, then obviously you can make money.

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How they bought bitcoins below 100$? If they could then the market have alraedy gone below 100$, thats not how price discovery works  Grin

Your BID order wont get executed unless the one above you got executed, you can put any amound of chunk orders to sell, if there is 1 guy selling 10000 Bitcoins at a price just above you. Also if the Ask orders cumulatively have a larger volume than those 10000 volume bid orders, then your chunk orders will never get executed and the price will go up again (and another guy will bid up the price above you to fill in the spread created void, there is no incentive for traders to sell at a lower than fair price to you) Grin

It all depends on demand from the perspective of buyers.Learn how the markets work bro  Wink

I bought some Bitcoin for less than $15 each back in 2012.

You might not realise it but there are going to be lots of people out there who purchased Bitcoins when they were priced well under $100 a few years ago and they still have them.

One little example of this is the Winklevoss brothers who reportedly hold around 100,000 Bitcoin which they purchased for around $11 each. They still have them.

 Roll Eyes
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Yea but now you are confusing traders with investors.

A trader will have no impact on the price's highness itself, a trader only tightens the spread and ads liquidity to it. Some will win and some will lose but its a zero sum game.

An investor will need rational requirements for to invest in bitcoin, but since it's established, sometimes a low price is enough. Perhaps a few good news.
Okay, I don't see how that invalidates my argument/post. Any intelligent investor knows to cut their losses. They're not going to keep throwing more money down the drain if they think the investment failed.

Ok but its not like bitcoin has failed because many people were scammed by MT Gox.

So what they lost a few $ here and there, but the price can easily turn around at anytime, and then recover the losses.

Of course those who quit BTC have lost forever.

There's an old saying: Every loss is only temporary, quitting makes it permanent Smiley

Isn't that the old saying of many a bankrupt compulsive gambler?

lol
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Do you think 1.00 BTC will worth more than $10,000.00 USD at any time in 2015?

Make it 2019, I still don't think it will reach $10,000.00 USD.

I really just hope it will hit $500

Well, that's possible and I'm expecting this in 2 years.
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Yea but now you are confusing traders with investors.

A trader will have no impact on the price's highness itself, a trader only tightens the spread and ads liquidity to it. Some will win and some will lose but its a zero sum game.

An investor will need rational requirements for to invest in bitcoin, but since it's established, sometimes a low price is enough. Perhaps a few good news.
Okay, I don't see how that invalidates my argument/post. Any intelligent investor knows to cut their losses. They're not going to keep throwing more money down the drain if they think the investment failed.

Ok but its not like bitcoin has failed because many people were scammed by MT Gox.

So what they lost a few $ here and there, but the price can easily turn around at anytime, and then recover the losses.

Of course those who quit BTC have lost forever.

There's an old saying: Every loss is only temporary, quitting makes it permanent Smiley

Isn't that the old saying of many a bankrupt compulsive gambler?
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I really just hope it will hit $500
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Yea but now you are confusing traders with investors.

A trader will have no impact on the price's highness itself, a trader only tightens the spread and ads liquidity to it. Some will win and some will lose but its a zero sum game.

An investor will need rational requirements for to invest in bitcoin, but since it's established, sometimes a low price is enough. Perhaps a few good news.
Okay, I don't see how that invalidates my argument/post. Any intelligent investor knows to cut their losses. They're not going to keep throwing more money down the drain if they think the investment failed.

Ok but its not like bitcoin has failed because many people were scammed by MT Gox.

So what they lost a few $ here and there, but the price can easily turn around at anytime, and then recover the losses.

Of course those who quit BTC have lost forever.

There's an old saying: Every loss is only temporary, quitting makes it permanent Smiley
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Yea but now you are confusing traders with investors.

A trader will have no impact on the price's highness itself, a trader only tightens the spread and ads liquidity to it. Some will win and some will lose but its a zero sum game.

An investor will need rational requirements for to invest in bitcoin, but since it's established, sometimes a low price is enough. Perhaps a few good news.
Okay, I don't see how that invalidates my argument/post. Any intelligent investor knows to cut their losses. They're not going to keep throwing more money down the drain if they think the investment failed.
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u guys keep thinkign it goes up ? What if it goes below 1$ ?  Cheesy

I dont think it would. Why would the rich cats let it fall?

If they really wanted to they would say lets just close shop for all the VC money we put into like coinbase and they been around atleast more then a year.

Thats what people don't get. What we are seeing is a magical gift, and opportunity to get it cheap as hell again, while the big money hands also pick a lot of BTC on this sub 300 price. Once the train goes off the station again, never complain and never cry, you had your 2nd chance.
That's just not true. If they let it fall from 1200 to 200, why not from 200 to 40? from 40 to 8? You might have your whole savings in bitcoin, but for the really big guys, the amount they have in bitcoin is almost insignificant to them.

Besides, any real investor will have learned to trade base on logic, not on emotions. They're not going to waste resources losing more money. If something fails, they'll pull out asap, they're not going to think "omg, what if it goes up another 5% then I can make back another $20,000". That's the kind of thinking of people who end up losing everything.

*I'm a bitcoin bull. But I don't believe in using false logic to comfort ourselves and delude ourselves into thinking there are no risks.

Yea but now you are confusing traders with investors.

A trader will have no impact on the price's highness itself, a trader only tightens the spread and ads liquidity to it. Some will win and some will lose but its a zero sum game.

An investor will need rational requirements for to invest in bitcoin, but since it's established, sometimes a low price is enough. Perhaps a few good news.

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u guys keep thinkign it goes up ? What if it goes below 1$ ?  Cheesy

I dont think it would. Why would the rich cats let it fall?

If they really wanted to they would say lets just close shop for all the VC money we put into like coinbase and they been around atleast more then a year.

Thats what people don't get. What we are seeing is a magical gift, and opportunity to get it cheap as hell again, while the big money hands also pick a lot of BTC on this sub 300 price. Once the train goes off the station again, never complain and never cry, you had your 2nd chance.
That's just not true. If they let it fall from 1200 to 200, why not from 200 to 40? from 40 to 8? You might have your whole savings in bitcoin, but for the really big guys, the amount they have in bitcoin is almost insignificant to them.

Besides, any real investor will have learned to trade base on logic, not on emotions. They're not going to waste resources losing more money. If something fails, they'll pull out asap, they're not going to think "omg, what if it goes up another 5% then I can make back another $20,000". That's the kind of thinking of people who end up losing everything.

*I'm a bitcoin bull. But I don't believe in using false logic to comfort ourselves and delude ourselves into thinking there are no risks.
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u guys keep thinkign it goes up ? What if it goes below 1$ ?  Cheesy

I dont think it would. Why would the rich cats let it fall?

If they really wanted to they would say lets just close shop for all the VC money we put into like coinbase and they been around atleast more then a year.

Thats what people don't get. What we are seeing is a magical gift, and opportunity to get it cheap as hell again, while the big money hands also pick a lot of BTC on this sub 300 price. Once the train goes off the station again, never complain and never cry, you had your 2nd chance.

Yea but there are always new markets, capitalism never ends (unless you insert some reds).

Alot of altcoins now below at 1 cent, who knows which one will hit 1 billion market cap next, so you had your chance there too, i can say  Cheesy
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I think that 33BTC will be worth 10.000 USD in 2015.
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u guys keep thinkign it goes up ? What if it goes below 1$ ?  Cheesy

I dont think it would. Why would the rich cats let it fall?

If they really wanted to they would say lets just close shop for all the VC money we put into like coinbase and they been around atleast more then a year.

Thats what people don't get. What we are seeing is a magical gift, and opportunity to get it cheap as hell again, while the big money hands also pick a lot of BTC on this sub 300 price. Once the train goes off the station again, never complain and never cry, you had your 2nd chance.
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No, based on the current trend I do not believe it will increase that much in this little of time.
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No that is a valid question actually imo, it has as much chance at going to $1 as it does $10,000 in fact it probably has more chance because let's not forget it has already been at $1 where it has not been anywhere near $10k you see? It has however been to $1200 briefly but what does the graphs say since then?


Uh, that's just really bad logic. Look, if I was driving from San Francisco southward to Los Angeles, do you think I have a higher chance ending up in San Francisco since I've already been at San Fran, but not anywhere near LA yet?

Horrible logic.

That said, I do agree, there's probably a slightly higher chance of reaching... Let's say single digits versus five digits in 2015. Neither is very likely. But say in 10 years, I think the chances of bitcoin reaching either single digits (or lower) or five digits (or higher) is almost 100%. The chances of bitcoin staying in the hundreds is probably as low as bitcoin reaching $10k this year.

Mine was on topic and has perfect logic, we have reached $1000 where have we gone since then? That is right we are on a slippery slope down down down. Why not $1 because you would lose your hopeful future $20k if it reached the 10k which it won't because we are going down baby be happy not sad  Grin

On topic, yes. Perfect logic, No. Continuing my example above, would you say I have a higher chance of ending up in San Fran, since i took a little detour on the way to LA? The main point is, you're saying there's a higher chance BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN THERE. That part of your argument is a fallacy, plain and simple. It's not perfect logic. It's like if I said "because apples are green, the Earth is spherical". Sure, the Earth is spherical, but it's not because apples are green.

Why not $1? Because I don't think it'll reach $1. There are too many delusional libertarian Satoshi worshippers to let that happen. That doesn't mean bitcoin can't die, for all intents and purposes, for everyone else.
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Please don't just snip one half a sentence for your argument, maybe you put things in perspective (without red writing lol) So we have all this backing and have done for quite some time, why are we not back to the $700 plus area  Cheesy Why are we still dropping with 'all this backing'?

That is perspective isn't it.

Because, although the infrastructure is there, there is no demand at the moment, because people are either dont know about bitcoin / dont trust it.

Or, they think that a printed toilet paper fiat is better than it.

Once people realize, things will change really fast, we already got the economy here, so we will wait everyone with spread arms, who will join our cause  Wink
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the only time if it would ever drop, is if we all just call it a day and sold it all at once.

everyone here on this forum go based on their own perspective, but for me its the actual blockchain itself and thats priceless technology within our time.
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No that is a valid question actually imo, it has as much chance at going to $1 as it does $10,000 in fact it probably has more chance because let's not forget it has already been at $1 where it has not been anywhere near $10k you see? It has however been to $1200 briefly but what does the graphs say since then?


Uh, that's just really bad logic. Look, if I was driving from San Francisco southward to Los Angeles, do you think I have a higher chance ending up in San Francisco since I've already been at San Fran, but not anywhere near LA yet?

Horrible logic.

That said, I do agree, there's probably a slightly higher chance of reaching... Let's say single digits versus five digits in 2015. Neither is very likely. But say in 10 years, I think the chances of bitcoin reaching either single digits (or lower) or five digits (or higher) is almost 100%. The chances of bitcoin staying in the hundreds is probably as low as bitcoin reaching $10k this year.

Mine was on topic and has perfect logic, we have reached $1000 where have we gone since then? That is right we are on a slippery slope down down down. Why not $1 because you would lose your hopeful future $20k if it reached the 10k which it won't because we are going down baby be happy not sad  Grin


in fact it probably has more chance because let's not forget it has already been at $1


Put things in perspective. When that happened bitcoin was only a forum currency for a few nerds.
Now you got hundreds of thousands of stores accepting it, many hundred exchanges, more then 1 thousand ATMs, and many more goods & services.

It has an infrastructure backing it (its always funny when idiots say that BTC is not backed by anything, its backed by its economy).
There is already a mini-subeconomy for bitcoin, and its growing, every single day. To the point that 1 day it will replace the main economy.


So your point is not put in perspective.

Please don't just snip one half a sentence for your argument, maybe you put things in perspective (without red writing lol) So we have all this backing and have done for quite some time, why are we not back to the $700 plus area  Cheesy Why are we still dropping with 'all this backing'?

That is perspective isn't it.

Update... I am not going to continue with this here but am more than happy to speak threw pm with greensox, but the other is ignored.
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