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Topic: Do you think 1.00 BTC will worth more than $10,000.00 USD at any time in 2015? - page 6. (Read 28793 times)

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Quite the contrary... As soon as we're in another confirmed bull-market, people will buy, buy, buy. people who sold will buy at a higher price. Everyone will work towards a bubble and that bubble will happen. The only question remaining is: How big will that bubble be.
It's not the only one. The more important question is when will it happen. I'd be happy with a small bubble, as long as I don't have to wait 2 years for it. Wink

There will be one, and it will start when nobody's expecting it. We'll probably get a month or three of relative stability, or a slow upward price drift, before it happens taking everyone by surprise. Active markets just don't go in straight lines forever.
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Quite the contrary... As soon as we're in another confirmed bull-market, people will buy, buy, buy. people who sold will buy at a higher price. Everyone will work towards a bubble and that bubble will happen. The only question remaining is: How big will that bubble be.
It's not the only one. The more important question is when will it happen. I'd be happy with a small bubble, as long as I don't have to wait 2 years for it. Wink
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Never say never, but with a quarter of the year in the books in the 4th month, there seems no signs of us surging into the 4 figures let alone 5 figure fiat amounts.

Besides a few short pokes above $300, this year has been a disappointment for Bitcoin (price wise).

Some really good development, investment, and acceptance news, but not that one bombshell bit of news yet that'll really move the masses.

The first stop is $1k, of course - no sense in debating that. But as soon as there's a new ATH, things tend to get exciting pretty pretty quickly. I'd be careful at $3k or so, though. $10k this year? No, not a chance.

The closer we get to the ATH, the more resistance we'll hit. People have largely learned from the last 6-7x it's happened that the price will fall shortly after, so there's going to be massive dumps. The only way to overcome this is to have a LOT of money coming in within a short period of time.

Quite the contrary... As soon as we're in another confirmed bull-market, people will buy, buy, buy. people who sold will buy at a higher price. Everyone will work towards a bubble and that bubble will happen. The only question remaining is: How big will that bubble be.
legendary
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Never say never, but with a quarter of the year in the books in the 4th month, there seems no signs of us surging into the 4 figures let alone 5 figure fiat amounts.

Besides a few short pokes above $300, this year has been a disappointment for Bitcoin (price wise).

Some really good development, investment, and acceptance news, but not that one bombshell bit of news yet that'll really move the masses.

The first stop is $1k, of course - no sense in debating that. But as soon as there's a new ATH, things tend to get exciting pretty pretty quickly. I'd be careful at $3k or so, though. $10k this year? No, not a chance.

The closer we get to the ATH, the more resistance we'll hit. People have largely learned from the last 6-7x it's happened that the price will fall shortly after, so there's going to be massive dumps. The only way to overcome this is to have a LOT of money coming in within a short period of time.
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Trust me!
Never say never, but with a quarter of the year in the books in the 4th month, there seems no signs of us surging into the 4 figures let alone 5 figure fiat amounts.

Besides a few short pokes above $300, this year has been a disappointment for Bitcoin (price wise).

Some really good development, investment, and acceptance news, but not that one bombshell bit of news yet that'll really move the masses.

The first stop is $1k, of course - no sense in debating that. But as soon as there's a new ATH, things tend to get exciting pretty pretty quickly. I'd be careful at $3k or so, though. $10k this year? No, not a chance.
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Never say never, but with a quarter of the year in the books in the 4th month, there seems no signs of us surging into the 4 figures let alone 5 figure fiat amounts.

Besides a few short pokes above $300, this year has been a disappointment for Bitcoin (price wise).

Some really good development, investment, and acceptance news, but not that one bombshell bit of news yet that'll really move the masses.
legendary
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$6000 with retrace to 2 (thousand  Wink )  ....initially. But very quickly, continued growth from there.

Once a trend reversal is established we'll see the start of a massive pricing in of:

   • all the infrastructure development of the last 18 months
   • impending new money from institutional sources
   • the fact that it didn't go to zero

Notes:

[1] - On the last point, many were waiting to see if that would be the conclusion of the 2014 correction. If it doesn't go to zero now then it's here to stay and that will be the signal most investors needed.

[2] - Another 'concern' that will have been scotched is that 'something better will replace it' because 2014 was the year of the altcoin. Loads came along that were "better than bitcoin" in every way, shape and form but none of them even made a dent in its cap. Meanwhile, Bitcoin continued to dig itself in. So although I think the alts will continue to advance  and grow in value, bitcoin is IT as far as your reserve crypto goes.
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well, i dont think so.

bcos i think $10,000.00 USD its damn big tho.

but maybe it can touch arround 400-500  Tongue, depend the issue or news on bitcoins.
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I sure not believe btc will get anything near that amount this your or next year
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Let's try a different example, then.

Fiat = a guitar
BTC = an air guitar

Someone could argue that the air guitar has monetary value, but it's up to others to believe it. The real guitar is a physical item. You can see it. You can feel it. It obviously has value because many people use them and buy/sell/trade them.

If someone went around selling guitars, it would be obvious that you either have it or you don't. There's no other way to see it. If you can hold it, you have it.

The air guitar, on the other hand, isn't seen or felt. Someone says "I'll give you this air guitar for $10." You accept. Then they say "hah, just so you know, you got nothing!" Think they're going to trust the next person that offers the same thing? Hell no. And they won't let their friends fall for it, either.

This doesn't discourage people from buying domains and other virtual items. Someone could argue that a domain has real value, as you can directly exchange it to a physical item, if both parties agree on it, but can you see it and hold it? No. Is its value stable and regulated? No, because today it can be worth $10 and next month $1000. Does it mean everyone who failed to make money on domains will lose trust in people selling them? Hell no.  Smiley
 
legendary
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Bitcoin has only a handful of big exchanges. When the Lehman Brothers went bust back in the 2008 crisis, many markets crashed as hard as Bitcoin did after many of its bubbles.
Just like Bitcoin did after the Gox incident, but it's still here. If we managed to survive the death of the biggest and oldest exchange, what's there to worry about?

I wasn't aware that the government didn't support fiat, or that we can hold our bitcoins in our hand, or that fiat isn't widely usable and have shown a history of being accepted everywhere, as well as being guaranteed to have value by the government.

You are quite literally comparing two very different things. Like saying "airplanes must be safe because cars all have airbags!"

I rather feel like I'm comparing a tiny aircraft with a jumbo jet, but both of them are up in the air as we speak and none of them will fall just because somebody decided shoot a pistol in their direction.
Both fiat and Bitcoin won't die just because somebody decided to start a new ponzi.

That has nothing to do with the fact that almost everybody uses fiat and very few know (not even use!) Bitcoin.
Deployment, deployment and mass adoption - that is what we need in the end.
Take your grandparents for example and try to convince them to use Bitcoin instead of fiat (despite many scams being run in fiat as well).
That's true, but we're slowly getting there.
They don't use the internet and ask people to buy stuff online for them, so it's a lost cause, but I doubt scams are the main reason older people use fiat and not BTC. Usually they are to lazy or to afraid to learn something new. Teaching them about Bitcoin is dragging them out of their comfort zone.




Let's try a different example, then.

Fiat = a guitar
BTC = an air guitar

Someone could argue that the air guitar has monetary value, but it's up to others to believe it. The real guitar is a physical item. You can see it. You can feel it. It obviously has value because many people use them and buy/sell/trade them.

If someone went around selling guitars, it would be obvious that you either have it or you don't. There's no other way to see it. If you can hold it, you have it.

The air guitar, on the other hand, isn't seen or felt. Someone says "I'll give you this air guitar for $10." You accept. Then they say "hah, just so you know, you got nothing!" Think they're going to trust the next person that offers the same thing? Hell no. And they won't let their friends fall for it, either.
sr. member
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Bitcoin has only a handful of big exchanges. When the Lehman Brothers went bust back in the 2008 crisis, many markets crashed as hard as Bitcoin did after many of its bubbles.
Just like Bitcoin did after the Gox incident, but it's still here. If we managed to survive the death of the biggest and oldest exchange, what's there to worry about?

I wasn't aware that the government didn't support fiat, or that we can hold our bitcoins in our hand, or that fiat isn't widely usable and have shown a history of being accepted everywhere, as well as being guaranteed to have value by the government.

You are quite literally comparing two very different things. Like saying "airplanes must be safe because cars all have airbags!"

I rather feel like I'm comparing a tiny aircraft with a jumbo jet, but both of them are up in the air as we speak and none of them will fall just because somebody decided shoot a pistol in their direction.
Both fiat and Bitcoin won't die just because somebody decided to start a new ponzi.

That has nothing to do with the fact that almost everybody uses fiat and very few know (not even use!) Bitcoin.
Deployment, deployment and mass adoption - that is what we need in the end.
Take your grandparents for example and try to convince them to use Bitcoin instead of fiat (despite many scams being run in fiat as well).
That's true, but we're slowly getting there.
They don't use the internet and ask people to buy stuff online for them, so it's a lost cause, but I doubt scams are the main reason older people use fiat and not BTC. Usually they are to lazy or to afraid to learn something new. Teaching them about Bitcoin is dragging them out of their comfort zone.


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legendary
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Sure, because there are no ponzis and scams in fiat. Somehow I don't see any markets or currencies die or significantly decline in value just because a bank cheated its clients or got robbed, yet people are making so much fuss when something like this happens in the Bitcoin world. Chill!  Cool
That has nothing to do with the fact that almost everybody uses fiat and very few know (not even use!) Bitcoin.
Deployment, deployment and mass adoption - that is what we need in the end.
Take your grandparents for example and try to convince them to use Bitcoin instead of fiat (despite many scams being run in fiat as well).
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1007
Sure, because there are no ponzis and scams in fiat. Somehow I don't see any markets or currencies die or significantly decline in value just because a bank cheated its clients or got robbed, yet people are making so much fuss when something like this happens in the Bitcoin world. Chill!  Cool

I wasn't aware that the government didn't support fiat, or that we can hold our bitcoins in our hand, or that fiat isn't widely usable and have shown a history of being accepted everywhere, as well as being guaranteed to have value by the government.

You are quite literally comparing two very different things. Like saying "airplanes must be safe because cars all have airbags!"
hero member
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Sure, because there are no ponzis and scams in fiat. Somehow I don't see any markets or currencies die or significantly decline in value just because a bank cheated its clients or got robbed, yet people are making so much fuss when something like this happens in the Bitcoin world. Chill!  Cool

Bitcoin has only a handful of big exchanges. When the Lehman Brothers went bust back in the 2008 crisis, many markets crashed as hard as Bitcoin did after many of its bubbles.
sr. member
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Infleum
Sure, because there are no ponzis and scams in fiat. Somehow I don't see any markets or currencies die or significantly decline in value just because a bank cheated its clients or got robbed, yet people are making so much fuss when something like this happens in the Bitcoin world. Chill!  Cool
legendary
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With one scam after another coming up in the crypto world, at this point we have a better chance of hitting $100 than $1000, much less $10k.
We are somehow getting more immune to the scam news and now it takes quite a lot of stolen coins to have any direct impact on the price of Bitcoin. Sadly, this still happens and, if frequent, it may in the end have bigger impact, as you say. All we need, is more fundamental developments that will strengthen the adoption to convince more people to use Bitcoin. Once the trend reverses and the are more positive news, we may see the rise again. Of course, there is also a possibility of another purely speculative bubble, but that would be very negative for Bitcoin in the long run. 

I always have to spell this out to people... *we* are meaningless. We're involved in BTC. We know how things work. We're a community. In regards to BTC's growth, we're irrelevant at this point. We need OTHERS. The people that DON'T know how things work and all they hear about is "scam scam ponzi scam ponzi ponzi scam." These are the responses I've gotten from at least 100 different people I've tried to introduce BTC to. Usually it ends up with them showing a news article about another big scam and then writing off anything I say from that point on because "it's obviously a scam and you're going to lose everything you put into it."

People need to get out of this mindset that what WE think matters. It doesn't. We have to GROW. That means bringing OTHERS on. And as long as some douchebags keep doing everything in their power to ensure nobody else trusts the system enough to look into it, this simply isn't going to happen.
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