Topic: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? - page 44. (Read 10699 times)

Thank you for your thoughts.

It's not an overwhelming consensus. It's only overwhelming when that is the only thing looked at.

I would, seriously, like to see one or more medical or research reports that show the literal breakdown of the process steps they used for identifying Covid-19. For example, something like this:
- we extracted some fluid from a lung of a sick/dead person by such-and-such a process;
- we added a small amount of saline (or other) solution to the extracted fluid to make it filterable;
- we filtered it using 300 nm (whatever) filter material of the xxxx kind;
- we centrifuged the filtered material using a "Smith&Wesson" () centrifuge;
- we drew off substances at several levels of of the centrifuge;
- we checked out the substances in an electron microscope to identify which of them might be viruses;
- we injected the resulting virus material into 100 (or more) test subjects for each virus, to see how many would get sick from which of the viruses;
- we extracted some fluid from each of the sick ones, and subjected it to the above, isolating process;
- we compared the isolates of each subject to the original - electron microscope;
- we found that all sickened test subjects had an overwhelming amount of the virus we tested them for.

Plus... when we find the test reports that have the process listed - whatever process they used - we need to be sure that they didn't do something silly, like missing the filtration part near the beginning.

Note that this process will still leave questions about whether or not the virus in question is the problem... especially if we don't have 100% of the test subjects getting sick. There should be some kind of correlation between the percent of sick subjects, and the danger of any virus in question.

We need researcher's names and locations so that we can figure out if they are renowned or not. We also need their info so that we can send it to various other doctors - like Dr. Andrew Kaufman - so that these others can check it over and contact the researchers about discrepancies in their processes. After all, there are millions of reports, so one done correctly might be hard to find among the others.

If you can point out the place in any reports where this has been done, and link the reports and the location of the info, I would certainly be thankful. I am not even asking for you or anybody to post the information here like I asked franky1. Let's get to the bottom of this whole thing.

What if nobody has really, with certainty, identified the Covid-19 virus? But rather, all they did was to do some work which pointed in the direction of it, without the proof.



EDIT: Note that my test process, above, is not entirely a process used by the medical. The revision of Koch's Postulates done in 1937 by Rivers is a good one. But there are others that might be better, that have been developed since Rivers'. Which process did the Covid-19 researchers use to identify Covid-19, and where can we find info about it?

Thanks! I'd forgotten that already, despite reading it only a few hours ago.

I shouldn't have brought that up, sorry.

I will concede the point. I will also concede that confirmation bias exists. Most things we do are based on belief. But whilst it's important to question the information we receive, it's also true that some sources are more reliable than others. This is why I would always side with science over faith. Anything that is experimentally verifiable and reproducible, and that has been peer-reviewed, is (to me) more reliable. I don't trust politicians at all, but I trust scientists more, especially when they are recognised as experts in their field. If I wanted my teeth fixed, I would visit a dentist rather than a carpenter. If I wanted someone to diagnose why I keep getting headaches, I'd visit a doctor rather than a plumber. If I wanted someone to explain about a viral pandemic, I'd trust renowned epidemiologists rather than politicians. The science is there, and it's not just one or two scientists, it's an overwhelming consensus. This is the crucial point, the weight of numbers.

You won't be able to convince me that the Covid lie is truth, but why is it that when you see the evidence, that you keep hanging on to the lie? Do you actually like lies?


And you forget the part that drinking MMS water is not drinking industrial bleach. Rather, it's drinking water with a little bleach in it, just like city water and bottled water, and what the produce in grocery stores is washed in. So, you manage to twist the truth. Why do you insist on twisting the truth like that? Do you like devious lies so much?



Here is the crux of Covid. It is in your question, "... do you believe ..." It's nice that people believe. Without faith, nobody will be saved, and nobody will see God without faith. So, faith is a good thing.

Here is the stickler regarding believing and Covid. It's all belief. Since the operations of the body are as complex as they are, nobody KNOWS. It's all belief.

You quoted my previous post in your post that I am quoting here... except for one thing. You took my words out of it, and then you ask the question that I answered in that post of mine that you quoted. If you were really interested, you would go and look at that post, and you would see what I believe it is.


Where is your proof? Charts are hearsay, especially if you find them on the Internet. So is all the rest of the info. So, why do you believe one set of info, but not believe another set? Why do you keep on believing, and not even lessening your belief a little, when I show you that it is, likely, entirely something that is different than what you believe.

It's starting to look like you simply want something to be the way that you want it, no matter what it is. After all, I show you many links to many testimonies, that Covid-19 is essentially a lie.

The pothole in the road gave you a flat tire - call it Covid-19.
You stubbed your toe on the bathroom door - call it Covid-19.
You broke your arm - call it Covid-19.

Since there isn't any proof for a Covid-19 virus, what do you think it is? Have faith, my man. Keep on calling it a virus even though you have been shown over and over that it isn't a virus.

To be fair he already answered that, and quite predictably it's chemtrails.

I do realise that I'll never be able to convince you that anything I'm saying is correct. Equally, it's highly unlikely you'll ever manage to convince me that viruses don't exist. Or that consuming industrial bleach MMS improves your health.

Just as a point of curiosity - do you believe the excess death figures, i.e. that something is leading to a much greater than usual death toll this year? If so, what do you think that might be?

Except for:
- Post #2 in this thread. And the things that Dr. Andrew Kaufman and others have found, that viruses are exosomes, and that there probably aren't any viruses.
- And the fact that the PCR test is a virus (if they exist) multiplier rather than a virus identifier.
- And the fact that the people who will make a lot of vaccine money off a Covid are the same people promoting it big-time.
- And the fact that nobody seems to be able to come up with a link to the research report of a researcher/doctor/scientist who actually shows in his research records the process he used for isolating the virus from a sick/dead person, and that it was an approved process.
- And the fact that people using the Microsphere Nanoscope to actually look at living viruses (if they exist) are extremely quiet when they should be shouting to the world that they are watching the virus work.

And there is a lot more that says it is not a virus.

But you can call anything Covid-19. Covid-19 is just a name or a word.

Everything is a threat to someone in that catagory.  In the overall mortality numbers (even WITH the massive fraud which is admitted in mixing 'with covid' with 'of covid' in the statistics) don't indicate that 'SARS-CoV-2' is any more dangrerous that any other flu, and more in line with the common cold.  Which, in fact, is probably what it is.

If the 'authorities are willing to blow the statistics and death records up in order to panic people, it follows that they would be happy to flat-out lie with the vids out of China purporting to show people keeling over dead in the street, with the 'glass lung' horse-shit (which seems pretty identical the the supposed 'vaping' lung in mid 2019) and so on.


No more than any of dozens of other ailments including every seasonal cold which has ever gone around. 

The authorities would love to make everything so scary that the peeps need to live in a bubble forever-more.  If they can justify it for the covid-19 nothingburger then they will be able to do so for everything else in the future.  In fact, that sounds like the plan.  Probably it is a scheme to bet everyone reporting for injections multiple times/year just by having some un-named bureaucrat who they label a 'medical professional' claim to find some fake 'next pandemic' viral DNA.

Old or sick people who feel like they are vulnerable can always stay home as they choose, and many of them do.  Just as has been the case for thousands of years without putting everyone under house arrest or making them wear mask and face shields like a bunch of jackasses.  As a matter of fact there have always germaphobe weirdos who compulsively wash everything and never get near people.  Probably some of had a hand in the design the covid-19 psy-op and 'new normal' so they themselves wouldn't be considered such bunch of freaks.

Agreed. They prove that something is killing a lot more people this year than would be expected from the historic average. And that this excess mortality started up around the same time as the pandemic. And that it spanned the world.

I think this is pretty strong evidence that it is CV19. And there is zero evidence that it's anything else.

If parents, grands, and great-grands had been teaching their kids all this all along, we wouldn't even have this Covid scam.

Which is why the most vulnerable isolate and quarantine and young/healthy people take proper precautions. Don't go to parties and social distance. Young people acting as a transmission vector is not justification for shutting down entire economies or bringing in SWAT to a nightclub. Young people should take common sense precautions.

Let's say that this information is all correct... in the charts at the website. Post #2 in this thread points at the idea that the Covid RNA (which is very similar to DNA) is the same as the DNA in Chromosome 8. Other info has shown that the Covid virus is similar (exactly?) to an exosome that the cells use to clean up toxins in the systems of the body.

This means that there isn't really any Covid in the way doctors are talking. Rather, Covid is an immune response to outside toxins of some sort. What could those toxins be? Possibly chemtrails (which have been acknowledged by the military). Perhaps a gas from a passing asteroid, or even a volcano. Possibly sunspot electrical activity or the lack of it. There are all kinds of things that might produce deaths among people.

All that the medical leaders are doing is jumping on the money-making bandwagon. They know that there isn't any virus. They know that it is all immune system response to toxins.

The charts are great. But they don't prove Covid by a long shot.

Humans oppress other humans so that they can get what they wan, it's been happening forever.  Fear is the most effective way to oppress people.  Pandemics are scary.  I don't think it's a realistic possibility for a global pandemic to occur without an increase in global oppression.  

I also think it's a mistake to try and discredit the overwhelming consensus of the top experts around the world without at least a decade or two of your life dedicated to infectious diseases. 

Have a look at the data rather than media reports. In order to bypass any government interference in causes of death, it may be more appropriate to look at excess mortality instead - the number of people dying from any cause this year, as compared to the recent average.
The Economist has presented the data quite well. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/07/15/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

Deaths start to deviate (increase) considerably from the expected value around late March/early April in a lot of countries...


We might also consider the extent of any discrepancy between excess deaths and official Covid deaths to be suggestive of the degree of honesty (or competence) of a government when ascribing cause of death.



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Covid-19 is a (probably) man made variant of the Corona Virus family that has been around since the 1930s. It may have been leaked too soon, as it is not a deadly virus in itself. It would have been better if they had waited to develop a more deadly variant if eugenics was the purpose behind its creation. On the other hand, if you wanted something that could be escalated into panic, and thus allow for the creation of mandatory vaccines, it is possibly ideal. If everybody was forced to have a synthetic immune system, then whole populations could be eradicated by targeted diseases, and even more wealth would flow to the Pharma companies.

You can counter this by refusing vaccination, and avoiding ultra-processed foods, seed oils, and refined sugar products and many other well publicised health damaging products, like pharmaceutical drugs and smoking.

There is a whole story of conspiracy theories around covid-19. I feel the disease is real however the exaggeration around it  too much. Countries are losing control because the ordinary person miss the normal life activities, it is obvious the pandemic is not as deadly as the media have portrayed it to be.

Such a sad news but this really happens. Sometimes, I do feel that those who have the power abuses it to torment other people or take advantage of them. Even if there is really no rules broken relative to the policies imposed during the lockdown due to Covid-19, some people use it as an excuse. I guess, it would just be better to stay at home so that we can avoid the virus and those abusive people out there. 

It doesn't really sound like the police murdered anybody but more like the people inside paniced and crushed people to death. Wasn't it illegal to be an indoor night club at the moment? I just don't get it, all around the people hate on the police. Imagine we would have no police at all anymore? Who would you call if someone breaks into your house at night? Or if you just have a taffic accident and need help?

With more than 23m cases around the world and 800k deaths you are calling it a scam? I am pretty sure you would think different if one of your family members would be infected.

The point is though, if you are 20yo with no underlying health conditions, then you can contract the virus and (likely) suffer only very mildly... but crucially you will act as a carrier and can pass the virus on to people who are older and more vulnerable, or who have a compromised immune system. The reason that healthy people have to isolate and quarantine is to protect others rather than just themselves. The fact that people are complaining about this is perhaps more than anything indicative of the selfishness endemic to modern societies.

A healthy 20yo can go out to a party on the weekend, contract Covid-19, and then turn up at their job at a care home on the Monday morning, and kill people.

I like to believe it is here in our country a government official in one of our city talk about shooting who is not wearing a facemask and always go outside of their home, although he already apologized, some government officials are using this to bully or impose their authority to civilians
and that is in the name of the pandemic, they now have a reason to abuse the civilians.
 

It's being oversold to an extent. COVID-19 is dangerous, just not to everybody. If you're 60+, especially with preexisting conditions, this disease is deadly to you and it's worth it to isolate and quarantine until there's a safe vaccine or available therapeutic agents that actually work. Off note, Trump just today announced plasma treatments with COVID-19 antibodies from previously infected individuals which seems promising.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/23/trump-will-reportedly-announce-emergency-authorization-for-covid-19-plasma-treatment.html

I can't speak for the law in Peru, but the U.S. would have handled this differently and would have fined the nightclub owners involved and most likely would not have penalized the participants of the gathering. South American police are known to be egregiously corrupt so this isn't too much of a COVID-19 story as it is a "look at how shitty Peruvian law enforcement is".

On another off note - Entire U.S. states have shut down their economy despite COVID-19 being under control.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

It has been roughly 1 month of a downward decline in the 7 day average confirmed COVID-19 case rate, with the downward trend beginning on July 23rd.

California has 12k deaths across the entire state since March yet still has their state shut down. New Jersey, New York each reporting single digit 7 day average deaths (meaning in a 7 day period <10 deaths per day have occurred) and are still shut down. So yes, you're right. In certain U.S. states, COVID-19 is being sold as this mystical deadly disease that kills all in its path in order to justify shutting down entire state economies and schools. There is a reason why Texas is open and doing fine right now while California, NY, NJ, and other states are still closed down. Hint, it has to do with the Presidential election.