Do you think gambling sites should ask proofs ?

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Quote from: oktana on April 21, 2017, 04:17:14 AM

Quote from: bitcoinisbest on April 21, 2017, 01:31:24 AM

I think yes they can ask for proof since even in casinos the proof is being asked if you are above 18 or not so same way in online itself how will they know if someone under 18 is gambling or not. Identity proof should be must for playing online.

I think this is the best proof, which requires age notification to prove the accountability of its users, I myself have no problem with the request of identity card for them because it guarantees the security in transaction. This also applies to some large market trading exchangers where the id is required for any nominal withdrawal.

Quote from: paul00 on April 21, 2017, 03:52:49 AM

I disagree to ask proofs in gambling site. Most of us use bitcoin because It does not required for our identification ID unless we will withdraw a big amount (converting into cash).

The exceptions you mention will be very useful for preventing possible losses on transactions arising from both parties, so you don't have to worry about this anymore.

How can you even confirm that the person who presented the ID would really be the person who submitted the ID? This really destroys the main reason why we go online, that is being anonymous in gambling sites.

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Quote from: bitcoinisbest on April 21, 2017, 01:31:24 AM

I think yes they can ask for proof since even in casinos the proof is being asked if you are above 18 or not so same way in online itself how will they know if someone under 18 is gambling or not. Identity proof should be must for playing online.

I think this is the best proof, which requires age notification to prove the accountability of its users, I myself have no problem with the request of identity card for them because it guarantees the security in transaction. This also applies to some large market trading exchangers where the id is required for any nominal withdrawal.

Quote from: paul00 on April 21, 2017, 03:52:49 AM

I disagree to ask proofs in gambling site. Most of us use bitcoin because It does not required for our identification ID unless we will withdraw a big amount (converting into cash).

The exceptions you mention will be very useful for preventing possible losses on transactions arising from both parties, so you don't have to worry about this anymore.

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I disagree to ask proofs in gambling site. Most of us use bitcoin because It does not required for our identification ID unless we will withdraw a big amount (converting into cash).

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I think yes they can ask for proof since even in casinos the proof is being asked if you are above 18 or not so same way in online itself how will they know if someone under 18 is gambling or not. Identity proof should be must for playing online.

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Quote from: Nicol3 on April 20, 2017, 11:50:44 PM

I think it is better for gambling sites to ask for proofs, aside from its security; players which mostly are gamblers would feel safe also when putting money on those gambling sites. Thus, it wouldn't be tag as a scam site too.

I am only going to support that they ask for proof only if they do same before registering and not when an individual wants to make withdrawal. Also, how are they sure that the proofs are even legit in the first place considering the fact that privacy is an ultimate thing doing activities online. Aside that, how are my sure that the site will even protect my info when they would have put it in their terms and conditions not to be responsible in case they are compromised?

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I think it is better for gambling sites to ask for proofs, aside from its security; players which mostly are gamblers would feel safe also when putting money on those gambling sites. Thus, it wouldn't be tag as a scam site too.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 03:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

any gambling site that starts thinking about such a thing will be shooting itself in the foot. because the gamblers will simply close their accounts and go to another gambling site. and it is pretty easy since there are a lot of them around and most of them are offering the same thing with same features and same house edge and are also trusted.

and while we are playing with bitcoin, none of us will be willing to give anything to a gambling site.

But we cant avoid on sites that does really require some proofs and some gambler really dont like it or most of them and they just let their withdrawals or funds left on the account and dont minding to get if they cant do anything they would rather choose not to be paid that to expose themselves on gambling site and even i didnt like such policy or requirement.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 03:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Yes, it is more professional if an gambling site asks for a proof of identification that's because like any other real gambling casinos they asks for your identification and this way as you said it makes the site more legit, less scam and good reputations. They just don't let anybody play gambling in their site especially kids who gambles. For me that's not an hassle it is just a part of the business especially dealing with money. Wink

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 07, 2017, 06:06:59 AM

What proof are you asking for? Who in the world would give his identity proof to the gambling company, that's suicidal. No I don't think any gambling should ask for a user proof. I feel it should be kept annnyos only. And which are these insane companies that are asking for proof, it could create lot of trouble for the users playing on the site if they need to give proof to play. I would never visit such sites ever to play.

You're right there. I myself won't be playing on a gambling site askijg for personal information. It makes your profile prone to theft more. I'd rather play in a site that has been proven in time and by a lot of users where i can play anonymously. Asking for proof for a site in the gambling industry won't make sense at all

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What proof are you asking for? Who in the world would give his identity proof to the gambling company, that's suicidal. No I don't think any gambling should ask for a user proof. I feel it should be kept annnyos only. And which are these insane companies that are asking for proof, it could create lot of trouble for the users playing on the site if they need to give proof to play. I would never visit such sites ever to play.

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Quote from: theguy217 on April 07, 2017, 05:51:49 AM

No I don't think so. A lot of ppl gamble using bitcoins from countries where gambling is actually restricted.

So no.
In fact a lot of casinos online don't even declare where they are registered. So these regulations should be the other way round.

Plus what difference does it make if customers are with proof or not Huh

Nah, most of the people I asked and talked to about this is that they like to gamble in online casinos because it is quite easier than going to real casinos. For me, this is true too. As I don't like the smell of casinos and the shadiness sometimes in them. It's really great to just relax at home and push the buttons.

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No I don't think so. A lot of ppl gamble using bitcoins from countries where gambling is actually restricted.

So no.
In fact a lot of casinos online don't even declare where they are registered. So these regulations should be the other way round.

Plus what difference does it make if customers are with proof or not Huh

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 03:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Nonsense. It's a tactic so they do not have to pay nothing more. I fail to see how proofs have anything to do with how "legit" a casino is. That is up to how they treat their players. Asking for proof is so cheeky and is like accusing someone of wrong doing. Casinos that do it will see less customers then those that do not.

Exactly, if there is a website where I can gamble without giving my ID and there is another website that requires my national ID and so forth it makes no sense to play there. They must have like amazing promos or something, they also need to be this huge trustworthy old casino, otherwise I am not giving my info to a new website.

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I don't think so, although it is important for trusting of gambling website but I think
there are not gambling website will gives the informations about the bitcoin in reserve
because as we know the capital is something secret in corporations include business of gambling.

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Quote from: noictib on April 07, 2017, 12:14:14 AM

Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 03:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

This is only for the rules to be followed by the government orders .
Here few sites only having option for the KYC verification before the Gambling . Such types of things gives us the mentality of trust .
And also they do this because they will decrease the spamming , and one user can't have double account .
Here the most common example is bitsler which needs KYC verification and most or th gamblers making Gambling at big stack at this casino .

Know your customer policies are not there because of the site really. It is more on the laws that govern their sites. In the online world, privacy is one of the highest priority of most online users. So I don't think casinos or gambling sites would like to impose such requirements not for those laws. For sure they want more customers to flow into their casino.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 03:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

This is only for the rules to be followed by the government orders .
Here few sites only having option for the KYC verification before the Gambling . Such types of things gives us the mentality of trust .
And also they do this because they will decrease the spamming , and one user can't have double account .
Here the most common example is bitsler which needs KYC verification and most or th gamblers making Gambling at big stack at this casino .

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That's a good thing to do as those gambling sites will obviously be monitored by some trusted company but when a site is showing all the legal proofs they need something in return. You can't gamble the way you gamble now they will ask for your id, they will ask you to register on their site using an email and of course if there is an id it should match your name. So it's your wish you want anonymity or the legal way.

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Quote from: maydna on April 05, 2017, 03:06:35 AM

i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

Yep.

There is really no reason for the sites to ask you for personal information anyways, if you are playing legitimately and not cheating anything from the casinos. They run a provably fair game, they are supposed to win most of the times. They should be more than happy for you to have alt accounts on their sites because that only means more volume and more profit from them.

So really, a lot of casinos like Powerbet uses their Terms and Conditions as an excuse to delay withdrawals or to simply eat user funds.

That's not ethical, in my opinion. Especially with such an anonymous currency used, like bitcoin.

However if a casino does have real evidence that you are cheating by expoliting a bug that they haven't fixed, then they should be able to ask for your identification. But suspicion of that isn't enough in my opinion.

yeah i am agree with you. i think for making alt accounts in their sites, they should thinking that is the best time for them to make more profit like you said. because many gamblers have high attention and they have passion for playing gambling in their sites and its mean they can gain a lot of profit.

its different if they have a bug in their site but they don't fixed it so they are losing their money because of bug, they still don't have a chance to asked us to send the document because they doing mistake.

as long as we don't have cheating in their sites, we playing gambling in normal mode like others people, then the sites don't need to asked our identity to continue playing gambling.

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Bitcoin casinos that do it won't get any traffic, because Bitcoin gambling is always based on Bitcoin's near-anonymity or at least lack of monitoring from governments.

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Quote from: MargonCreatives on April 04, 2017, 03:48:26 AM

While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Nonsense. It's a tactic so they do not have to pay nothing more. I fail to see how proofs have anything to do with how "legit" a casino is. That is up to how they treat their players. Asking for proof is so cheeky and is like accusing someone of wrong doing. Casinos that do it will see less customers then those that do not.

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