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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.
How will less scams happen when gambling sites ask for proofs from the customers?

It should be the other way around. Gambling sites should mention where their companies are registered and provide the reference numbers for that. They should show who runs the show so things are more transparent for the gamblers.
I think so, as too many gambling sites which ended or running a scam project, they are who have provide enough information and proof. Usually, as time goes on, people will know which site is a good one or at least devs team are trusted.
Players can't deceive a casinos as they rule/own the system, in mostly case players gullible by the site. Different story if those casinos are running on real world (not only online basis).
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i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

Yep.

There is really no reason for the sites to ask you for personal information anyways, if you are playing legitimately and not cheating anything from the casinos. They run a provably fair game, they are supposed to win most of the times. They should be more than happy for you to have alt accounts on their sites because that only means more volume and more profit from them.

So really, a lot of casinos like Powerbet uses their Terms and Conditions as an excuse to delay withdrawals or to simply eat user funds.

That's not ethical, in my opinion. Especially with such an anonymous currency used, like bitcoin.

However if a casino does have real evidence that you are cheating by expoliting a bug that they haven't fixed, then they should be able to ask for your identification. But suspicion of that isn't enough in my opinion.
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i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.
Yes, avoid this kind of casinos. It is not safe for players. And your transaction will be tracked by your governament. Why people play bitcoin gambling means here, we don't need to give any personal information and our transactions will be hidden no one can track. But once you provide your personal information they can use it any wrong way. So why risk we have a lot of casinos that they don't ask our identity play in that casino and enjoy the game.

agree with you and i think i don't want to play in those site because there is still many sites that allow us to play gambling without we needed to send our document. it feels like that we've spied or monitor by the casino, beside that if any bad happen with the casino, our data can be abused by them and we can be involved with another thing.


i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.

that is right, i think if the site wants to be trusted for member, they should do another thing such as give the best service for their member rather than only wants the member to send their document. many good thing that the site can do to get trusted from member or new people, but only a few site that will do this as the site is concern with how they can get much profit from the members.
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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

Yeah, definitely not.

I mean if you are playing in a fiat casino then they asking you for proof is reasonable. They have to comply with these KYC laws as well as AML and anti terrorist funding laws that the government has put in place for fiat, licensed casinos.

The only reason that most people use a bitcoin casino anyways, is to have deposits and withdrawals instant.

And that is the only advantage that bitcoin casinos have against fiat casinos, easy to withdraw and deposit, no questions asked.

Also most casinos aren't even licensed here. They don't have the right nor should you trust them with your personal information. Who knows what they are going to do with your personal ID once they get it.
legendary
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That will destroy the meaning of bitcoin itself in this industry. The users should just keep playing in big well established gambling houses like directbet.eu, nitrogensports.eu etc. If bitcoin gambling houses ask for my ID why should I continue playing with them when odds are lower compared to Fiat gambling houses ?

They should not ask for ID proofs in my opinion.
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Proof of what?
They are the one who is running a business so they should be the one who will provide the proof of legitimacy.
They are making it backwards for what? Proof of not being a robot? Who the hell would sacrifice his money to be controlled by a robot? I wont. That is hilarious. This is real money we are talking here not just a game of poker in a facebook app.

That is right, Everyone who runs a Gambling site must prove their site to be a legitimate gambling site, it is a given if they want to attract more costumers to them. There are a lot of ways to attract a costumer, getting good house edge, getting a good prize, bonuses, and one of them is also proving the gamblers that they are legit and they are not a scam. As a businessman, who wants to be controlled by a robot, that is really hilarious.
Based on my experienced sites have different rules, there are sites who are registered hence they are more strict, usually those who are registered are big sites and if the gambler will just read before they join they will understand all the rules and they will not complain thereafter.

Some really ask proofs if you are suspected violating the rules and if you cannot justify it that would lead to a big problem on your part as that is there business and they manage the rules so they have the option whether to release your funds or not.
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Proof of what?
They are the one who is running a business so they should be the one who will provide the proof of legitimacy.
They are making it backwards for what? Proof of not being a robot? Who the hell would sacrifice his money to be controlled by a robot? I wont. That is hilarious. This is real money we are talking here not just a game of poker in a facebook app.

That is right, Everyone who runs a Gambling site must prove their site to be a legitimate gambling site, it is a given if they want to attract more costumers to them. There are a lot of ways to attract a costumer, getting good house edge, getting a good prize, bonuses, and one of them is also proving the gamblers that they are legit and they are not a scam. As a businessman, who wants to be controlled by a robot, that is really hilarious.
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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.
Honestly, you have a confusing question and seems to be incomplete. What proof are you referring to? Who are going to give proofs, users or gambling site owner? If I assume that you mean the gambling sites need some proof for users to trust that it's running legitimate, that would be fine because their are giving the service. However, if you want users to give proofs to the sites, not so good and I think only few (if there is still) will play.

Therefor, gambling sites even with proofs or not can run away and scam users as long as it is online.You can't really secure your money, it's a risk.
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It is not for any legal reason. The casino itself had no legal backing so asking for documentation is laughable. I would never okay at a casino like that. The only reason they would ever want your info is in hopes you will not produce and they do not have to pay. It's s tactic that works well for them. All other reasons are nonsense.
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There is no reason it is to just get away with bit paying people. They love to ask when it was a free winning from a promotion
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Gambling site who show their algorithm on public means that they are intend to make their site legit and serious to attract more gambler to play in.
It's reasonable since we as a player also need a proof of the site legitimacy before try to play with real bits
I agree with you, If a gambling site show their algorithm on public as you said means that it build trust with other gamblers. So there is no fear to scam anymore.
Gamblers can enjoying playing in it as a legit site with proofs.
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i think we should be careful when we want to send our identity to the site because we don't know what they want to do with our identity since there is many sites that using their members for many purpose. beside that, like what i see on the shopping online that need our identity including our credit card number, the site can get hacked by hacker and they can stolen our information to use for other purpose. we don't know what will happen in future but if we are careful then i think we can minimize from bad thing that will happen so we can stay safe.

Correct, and this is the rule number one here in the Cryptocurrency world, Don't trust anyone, except yourself, unless you wanna get scam then go ahead, send your personal information to a certain gambling site asking it to prove that you are legit? I guess that is out of line right? They are the one who should give that to us, because they are the one who wants us to trust them, for us to convince that it is safe to play on their gambling site, so, technically they are one responsible on providing such thing, and not us.
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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

How would asking for proofs make it less scam proof ? First of all, asking for proofs doesn't necessarily mean they are regulated unlike they show their KYC. And secondly, they can claim to be hacked and run with the bitcoin even if they are actually regulated..
You do have a point, but I don't think so that a certain gambling site would run away with all the bitcoins that their players invested to them just like that, because it is hard to be trusted by the people in the first place, so it would be a wasted of time if they are just going to run away just like that. They could even earn more money if they are not gong to run away, and it is the lamest decision that a certain gambling site could make just to have easy money
legendary
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Proof of what?
They are the one who is running a business so they should be the one who will provide the proof of legitimacy.
They are making it backwards for what? Proof of not being a robot? Who the hell would sacrifice his money to be controlled by a robot? I wont. That is hilarious. This is real money we are talking here not just a game of poker in a facebook app.
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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

I dont know whether it satisfies your answer or not but I used to do sports betting in Bet365 and they actually ask for KYC if you want to verify your account and make a cashout. I dont like it but I used to win with my strategies and analysis so I have done that.
legendary
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depending on what payment option you have opted to fund your betting account especially visa/mastercard(generally fiat)

they are free to ask for proof as part of KYC but anything to do with crypto currencies  should not be  entertained at all because KYC is not welcome with cryptos  Tongue !
Correct, for BTC payment and deposit we don't require KYC. But if you play with fiat currency then it must be needed it is useful for you to track your records. And they also verify the identity. Without identity, if any issue you face means how can they solve your problems. That is why they ask your personal information. But nowadays I think max people use BTC to play online gambling.
legendary
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Gambling site who show their algorithm on public means that they are intend to make their site legit and serious to attract more gambler to play in.
It's reasonable since we as a player also need a proof of the site legitimacy before try to play with real bits
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depending on what payment option you have opted to fund your betting account especially visa/mastercard(generally fiat)

they are free to ask for proof as part of KYC but anything to do with crypto currencies  should not be  entertained at all because KYC is not welcome with cryptos  Tongue !
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Yes gambling sites need to show proofs because how a gambler know if a gambling site is legit or safe many of sites today are scams so we need to be sure that the sites that we are using is really legit or safe.
I guess he means if the websites should ask proof of gambler. Like national ID and so forth to be able to play. In order for something wrong happens. Like exchanges and so forth. Otherwise considering if a casino should be provably fair or not is a useless thing to do, I mean why shouldn’t they, how would you trust them if they won’t do that.
That's right, proofs were asked by very few bitcoin gambling websites. This too happens with users who expect to get their settlement in their bank account. Identification verification is not required with every gambling websites, and very few does it and those are not popular.
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While I don't appreciate the fact that they ask proof but that been said if they ask proofs and run in a more legit way then that's actually good for users as less scams would hapen.

proof of identity you mean? no one would play if they ask for that, people like to play with bitcoin because they don't have to deal with the boring identity verification, and somehow also dangerous, what if they steal my credentials and use it for illegal things? i can't risk that, i'll never send my id to anyone, and don't forgot that id can be false too, maybe someone stole a ID from someone else and use it to play
That is a good point.
I cannot understand why anybody would think about giving his own identity just to be safe about btc gambling.
There are many trusted sites, where you dont need verification of any kind.

Being anonymous as a user is very important thing to implement when building cryptocurrency casino, most of the players will always stick to anonymous sites.
We can spot a big number of casinos that dont collect sensitive info.
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