Do you think Institutions secretly HODL Bitcoin? - page 15.

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Quote from: prororo on February 20, 2019, 09:51:02 AM

I think yes, because bitcoin can be a profitable asset maybe many institutions quietly buy a lot of bitcoin and maybe there are also institutions that intentionally make bad news so they can buy it at the bottom.

Nice conspiracy theory there. Still how much of it is really true is speculation. However one thing is for sure that big industrialists are having to evade taxes and dont want to show their income completely on the paperwork and so they will move on to or have already been moving on the bitcoin. This concept is very bullish indeed.

Everyone may not be interested in bitcoin as well. Even if the members here are enthusiastic about it there world is a very large place than this forum is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about it and whether some specific institutions are stocking up money is possible.

After all we have some whales who are pumping and dumping and obviously these can be financial managers of such institutions. Grin

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on February 19, 2019, 06:42:32 PM

Quote from: boyptc on February 19, 2019, 06:27:11 PM

I haven't seen any whale broadcaster that he is holding a bitcoin except for those few prominent people that we knew already.

They are for sure holding bitcoin and we can't be sure on how much they've got during the accumulation period. It's for them to take the move and they are aware of the market trends of course including bitcoin.

Institutional money will flow to crypto market sooner or later but there are some unclear answers to questions. Maybe they are more clever to spread false news about bitcoin,cryptos.. If they prefer to buy cheap then there are more ways to accumulate bitcoins except markets. I sometimes listen to youtube podcasts that analyzes crypto market but they are just keep talking about past price movements which don't have direct connection with today's prices imo.

I do believe that more of it gonna flow soon. And what I also believe is few of them are already in the crypto now and just going with the flow. But those that are still waiting for the proper time to announce it as just giving that feeling on what they should do.

I don't prefer to listen to those youtube podcasts or videos.

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I think yes, because bitcoin can be a profitable asset maybe many institutions quietly buy a lot of bitcoin and maybe there are also institutions that intentionally make bad news so they can buy it at the bottom.

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Quote from: ecnalubma on February 18, 2019, 07:55:01 PM

I believe it too that institutional investors are hodling bunch of Bitcoin and other crypto, this long bear market is the perfect season for them to stack as much as they want. They are typically not the kind of people looking for a quick buck since they have all the patient and time in the space, surely they won't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity too.

They should be more aggressive like this because some countries are already investing in cryptomarket, and for sure they don't want to be left out. I believe also that there's a bigger institutions that are already with cryptomarket, maybe they are also the whales who controls the market before.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Huobi Launches a trading platform for institution https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/huobi-crypto-exchange-to-launch-institutional-trading-to-a-limited-group/

So do you think companies like NASDAQ is good for the market https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/nasdaq-is-said-to-pursue-bitcoin-futures-despite-plunging-prices

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

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I think yes, institutional companies are seriously adopting on new technologies and in which cryptocurrency is also related. Example of which is Bitcoin where most of the companies used as some kind of payment for their transactions.

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on February 19, 2019, 06:42:32 PM

Quote from: boyptc on February 19, 2019, 06:27:11 PM

I haven't seen any whale broadcaster that he is holding a bitcoin except for those few prominent people that we knew already.

They are for sure holding bitcoin and we can't be sure on how much they've got during the accumulation period. It's for them to take the move and they are aware of the market trends of course including bitcoin.

Institutional money will flow to crypto market sooner or later but there are some unclear answers to questions. Maybe they are more clever to spread false news about bitcoin,cryptos.. If they prefer to buy cheap then there are more ways to accumulate bitcoins except markets. I sometimes listen to youtube podcasts that analyzes crypto market but they are just keep talking about past price movements which don't have direct connection with today's prices imo.

About those youtube podcast which are totally trash or such a waste of time. So i don't consider to listed to those fellas talking blah blah blah.Institutional money would either go or not with crypto and who knows
on what are the things on their minds but one thing is rest assured, they would surely come in since they do know the opportunity on making money which they do know that they have the power and the financial capacity to take the advantage into the market. Holding Bitcoin? For sure they are.

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Quote from: boyptc on February 19, 2019, 06:27:11 PM

I haven't seen any whale broadcaster that he is holding a bitcoin except for those few prominent people that we knew already.

They are for sure holding bitcoin and we can't be sure on how much they've got during the accumulation period. It's for them to take the move and they are aware of the market trends of course including bitcoin.

Institutional money will flow to crypto market sooner or later but there are some unclear answers to questions. Maybe they are more clever to spread false news about bitcoin,cryptos.. If they prefer to buy cheap then there are more ways to accumulate bitcoins except markets. I sometimes listen to youtube podcasts that analyzes crypto market but they are just keep talking about past price movements which don't have direct connection with today's prices imo.

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I haven't seen any whale broadcaster that he is holding a bitcoin except for those few prominent people that we knew already.

They are for sure holding bitcoin and we can't be sure on how much they've got during the accumulation period. It's for them to take the move and they are aware of the market trends of course including bitcoin.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?

I think this has become an open secret, but considering that they are people who are involved in government-owned institutions or people who have large companies that really keep their privacy confidential the purpose of which's that their actions aren't known by the public/government because they afraid of the regulations imposed by the government, so they are reluctant to talk about it.

Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

Of course yes, because bitcoin's circulating right in a truly decentralized market, where users are still easily exposed to the FUD wave or other issues, so the development sometimes fades but also vice versa.

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Quote from: ecnalubma on February 18, 2019, 07:55:01 PM

I believe it too that institutional investors are hodling bunch of Bitcoin and other crypto, this long bear market is the perfect season for them to stack as much as they want. They are typically not the kind of people looking for a quick buck since they have all the patient and time in the space, surely they won't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity too.

I totally agree with you! Institutional investors are so smart to handle their coins! They have a lot of money and they can control the market as they want because they have the big hand as they are whales. As you said, they stay patient until they make their best decision and sell or buy according to make a huge profit! So as the op said, I think these institutions are holding a lot of bitcoin and control it as they want.

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Quote from: wuvdoll on February 19, 2019, 01:22:45 PM

I doubt it is "secretly". I am sure big companies definitely have a lot of bitcoins and even hire people to trade bitcoins for them as well and do big OTC moves so it wouldn't affect the price like it would on an exchange and all that but I doubt they hide it. I mean think about it how many of us really know which stocks which companies bought or sold in the past month ?

Wall street constantly buys and sells stocks and we do not follow them that carefully unless we are really into it and check their moves. Same applies to crypto, its not something they need to declare all the time and even if declared on some annual shareholder meeting or something the reach is small and minimum and unless shared with public its not something we really go and check ourselves. Hence I think institutions do hold bitcoins but not secretly.

I think the same. I think institutions are buying bitcoin since the low price... and probably most of the trading happens Over The Counter, so that in this way the market price is not affected.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Any whale talking about it when accumulation is a dumb whale. Institutions are whales. they cant just go and buy bitcoin without move markets. They OTC buy. And they are super patient. They know they have whole year time left.

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Quote from: ecnalubma on February 18, 2019, 07:55:01 PM

I believe it too that institutional investors are hodling bunch of Bitcoin and other crypto, this long bear market is the perfect season for them to stack as much as they want. They are typically not the kind of people looking for a quick buck since they have all the patient and time in the space, surely they won't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity too.

Institutional investors will not look for the quick bucks but they will starts to control the market and it will neer be able to be investable for the normal people but for now they may not much interested on bitcoin but in future they will start to enter into market graudally which causes the prices to moon.

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I doubt it is "secretly". I am sure big companies definitely have a lot of bitcoins and even hire people to trade bitcoins for them as well and do big OTC moves so it wouldn't affect the price like it would on an exchange and all that but I doubt they hide it. I mean think about it how many of us really know which stocks which companies bought or sold in the past month ?

Wall street constantly buys and sells stocks and we do not follow them that carefully unless we are really into it and check their moves. Same applies to crypto, its not something they need to declare all the time and even if declared on some annual shareholder meeting or something the reach is small and minimum and unless shared with public its not something we really go and check ourselves. Hence I think institutions do hold bitcoins but not secretly.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Huobi Launches a trading platform for institution https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/huobi-crypto-exchange-to-launch-institutional-trading-to-a-limited-group/

So do you think companies like NASDAQ is good for the market https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/nasdaq-is-said-to-pursue-bitcoin-futures-despite-plunging-prices

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

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maybe there are some institutions that do that but I don't think there are many, because the fact is that currently there are so many people who reject bitcoin and behaving badly about bitcoin I think many institutions do the same thing.

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Quote from: ecnalubma on February 18, 2019, 07:55:01 PM

I believe it too that institutional investors are hodling bunch of Bitcoin and other crypto, this long bear market is the perfect season for them to stack as much as they want. They are typically not the kind of people looking for a quick buck since they have all the patient and time in the space, surely they won't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity too.

Bitcoin is most liquid coin in market and most tradeable in exchanger, i am sure insitution holding bitcoin a lot. In this bear market situation, i think they buying a lot bitcoin at cheap price and holding it

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I believe it too that institutional investors are hodling bunch of Bitcoin and other crypto, this long bear market is the perfect season for them to stack as much as they want. They are typically not the kind of people looking for a quick buck since they have all the patient and time in the space, surely they won't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity too.

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YES i believe because if ordinary people can able to hodl and believe in cryptocurrencies most especially in bitcoin, then why can't Institutions do as well when they have the money to buy and invest bigger volume of bitcoin? So therefore i believe that institutions are secretly HODLing bitcoin and other cryptos as well.

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Yes, I guess we all know that bitcoin is a decentralized coin which we cannot know the people or who are the people behind or buying it.

It's somewhat useful to follow the main chain coin movements and the days most of it is being transferred. By far, most of the value transfers occur from Monday to Friday, which could and likely does indicate professional presence.

The thing here is that people think of institutions as being banks, large corporations, billion dollar hedge funds, pension funds, etc. Institutions can be smaller entities too, and even the crypto funds that got rekt last year are technically institutions.

Security nowadays is more of a thing than ever before, and we see how large entities owning a lot of coins on behalf of their users no longer store their coins in one or two addresses, but hundreds of different ones.

The more addresses you use, the more difficult it is to figure out who the coins belong to. People not that long ago were speculating about an 800k BTC whale, but it turned out to be Coinbase.

People didn't know it was Coinbase till Coinbase itself said so, which shows how important it is that you use many different addresses instead of just a few.

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Quote from: marcelocoin on February 18, 2019, 10:34:07 AM

certainly, there are many companies that hold gold, silver and assets, and bitcoin is digital gold, this is great for small investors, the more they hold more demand and shortage

right, big companies certainly hold a large amount too. when holding, or buying means it doesn't have a bad effect on the price of bitcoin, as long as they don't release it simultaneously, because that's not what we expect

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