Do you think Institutions secretly HODL Bitcoin? - page 19.

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Quote from: cellard on January 31, 2019, 11:12:06 PM

There are rumors of some russian politician saying that Putin is considering buying Bitcoin reserves. I believe this has been happening for years now. While they FUD the are buying OTC bigly. Approving Futures was a way to manipulate the price downwards and keep the price down. Once they've shrunk the OTC market, they will pump it to ATH, and keep repeating the cycle as they accumulate. They understand they cannot kill Bitcoin, only become bigger players

It was not a politician

It was some random Russian economist saying something to that tune and then many Western media outlets were quick to pick up the "news". I don't know about Putin considering buying a few bitcoins now and then, but if this "plan" was actually enacted even for 1/100th of the amount rumored, prices would have already skyrocketed. In fact, I'm quite surprised that many distinguished and high-merited posters here seem to actually believe in this rumor. By that I don't mean idle talks and empty theorizing, of course, but rather taking this nonsense seriously

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I'm not sure about the market leaders of the global economy, cryptocurrency has made a big change to the entire economy with more and more inflow of traditional fiat. Already there were more and more marketplace accepting cryptocurrencies as well as large scale firms investing big into cryptocurrency indirectly. Because direct investment will surely make a change and legal issues.

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It's possible that some private companies are into Bitcoin around 2017 when the price skyrocketed and I'm assuming that companies that invested are also involved in tech industries that's why they are familiar with it and the associated risk. However, public institutions? could be, but its very hard to cover their track as it will be scrutinizes by everyone.

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I forgot more than you will ever know.

In most countries insitutions are public, and every money they use is published too every year.

Everything is publicly audited.

I doubt it is possible for institutions to secretly invest like this, at least in countries where the finances of said insitutions are public.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 02:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Huobi Launches a trading platform for institution https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/huobi-crypto-exchange-to-launch-institutional-trading-to-a-limited-group/

So do you think companies like NASDAQ is good for the market https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/nasdaq-is-said-to-pursue-bitcoin-futures-despite-plunging-prices

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

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Completely. I don't think any company who is profit oriented would want to miss on cryptocurrency. There are some big companies who have kept it secret but you will find out about them sooner or later, they cannot hide it. Releasing that information can bring a lot of attention and affect the market before they want it to be affected. Offcourse, everyone knows about blockchain implementation in businesses which is rarely talked about.

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Quote from: cellard on January 31, 2019, 11:12:06 PM

There are rumors of some russian politician saying that Putin is considering buying Bitcoin reserves. I believe this has been happening for years now. While they FUD the are buying OTC bigly. Approving Futures was a way to manipulate the price downwards and keep the price down. Once they've shrunk the OTC market, they will pump it to ATH, and keep repeating the cycle as they accumulate. They understand they cannot kill Bitcoin, only become bigger players.

I agree with you, BTC is become too big and important to simply ignore it, and since they did not to kill it in 10 years, now they use all possible methods to accumulate more. Due to the limited supply BTC is not something like fiat or gold, and in next 10+ years it will be almost 99% mined, so it is better to act now, and they all know that.

Putin is very smart person, and because of sanctions imposed by the West he maybe see BTC as one of the alternatives which can overcome sanctions. Besides that he also know that BTC has great potential as store of value, so why not invest some money in this asset and profit in future.

However small players do not know how to play this game and to use this low price to accumulate more. States and governments are much smarter in this regard, they have unlimited fiat and OTC - but that's always the case, big fish always eat small at the end.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 02:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

I don't think it is something which can be done secretly

Obviously, I don't mean private investments here as everyone is free to do whatever he thinks is best for his money (and pay for it if things go wrong), up to a point where you can say one thing and do the opposite (Jamie Dimon style). But this is not the case with public institutions. So while this thought may in fact be quite encouraging, comforting or even soothing in the downtrend environment as of now, it still looks like it has more to do with wishful thinking rather than objective reality

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 02:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Huobi Launches a trading platform for institution https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/huobi-crypto-exchange-to-launch-institutional-trading-to-a-limited-group/

So do you think companies like NASDAQ is good for the market https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/nasdaq-is-said-to-pursue-bitcoin-futures-despite-plunging-prices

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

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It is truth that institutional investors are investing in cryptocurrencies and there is no doubt bitcoin is the future of money. I think blockchain technology is going to be the determine Force in our financial institutions, political institutions and industry.

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Quote from: cellard on January 31, 2019, 11:12:06 PM

There are rumors of some russian politician saying that Putin is considering buying Bitcoin reserves. I believe this has been happening for years now. While they FUD the are buying OTC bigly. Approving Futures was a way to manipulate the price downwards and keep the price down. Once they've shrunk the OTC market, they will pump it to ATH, and keep repeating the cycle as they accumulate. They understand they cannot kill Bitcoin, only become bigger players.

if indeed that happens, then we will still see bitcoin to a high price again, after in 2018 we see prices tend to be sluggish. therefore I only convinced myself to hold on to the assets that I had. so that you can still enjoy the results later, and the news at least provides its own encouragement. what is clear is that bitcoin cannot be killed

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 02:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Huobi Launches a trading platform for institution https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/huobi-crypto-exchange-to-launch-institutional-trading-to-a-limited-group/

So do you think companies like NASDAQ is good for the market https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/nasdaq-is-said-to-pursue-bitcoin-futures-despite-plunging-prices

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

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Institutional investments mean money. LOTS of money. The entire market cap of Bitcoin is like 8 billion less than what Bezos' Ex-wife just walked away with.... Institutional investing means blue-collar, or white collars out of the loop are much more likely to get in at the whim of their portfolio manager... Do you think this is bad? (not taking a stance, just starting a dialogue)

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Quote from: exstasie on January 31, 2019, 06:20:22 PM

Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 02:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?

Of course. It's bad business to announce your investments while you're still accumulating. Check out this article from 2017:

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Fidelity CEO Abby Johnson surprised a tech conference this spring by revealing the brokerage giant didn’t just study cryptocurrency. It was also mining the digital assets—and making money while doing so.

It turns out Fidelity has been at this for three years, using its own computers to harvest the digital currencies bitcoin and Ethereum, which today trade for around $4,300 and $300 respectively.

Fidelity’s mining operations aren’t the only way the company is gaining insights into cryptocurrency. This summer, the brokerage entered an arrangement with Coinbase, a popular San Francisco-based exchange, to let customers view the value of their digital currency alongside stocks and others assets on their Fidelity homepage. The Coinbase tie-up is a convenience for customers, but also lets Fidelity gain insight into how many how investors are interested in cryptocurrency.

http://fortune.com/2017/10/06/fidelity-bitcoin-ethereum/

Not only have they been mining for years without talking about it, but they're data mining their customers so they can gauge market sentiment. I'm sure there are other cases like this, like Wall Street firms spinning off startups and hedge funds to gain exposure.

sometimes the more quiet a certain institution is, the high likelihood that they are discreetly doing crypto activities.
and i strongly believe that there are a lot doing such activities across the globe.
theres no doubt that crypto has already conquered a large portion of the business

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There are rumors of some russian politician saying that Putin is considering buying Bitcoin reserves. I believe this has been happening for years now. While they FUD the are buying OTC bigly. Approving Futures was a way to manipulate the price downwards and keep the price down. Once they've shrunk the OTC market, they will pump it to ATH, and keep repeating the cycle as they accumulate. They understand they cannot kill Bitcoin, only become bigger players.

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Definitely.

Remember those days when Jamie Dimon keeps on FUDDING the community about bitcoin? where he has been? he's quietly accumulating and later it was reported that his company bought a lot of bitcoin.

It's no longer a secret.

If you happen to know Glenn Beck and Teeka Tiwari's video on youtube, you see them explained it well.

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on January 31, 2019, 02:28:32 PM

have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?

Of course. It's bad business to announce your investments while you're still accumulating. Check out this article from 2017:

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Fidelity CEO Abby Johnson surprised a tech conference this spring by revealing the brokerage giant didn’t just study cryptocurrency. It was also mining the digital assets—and making money while doing so.

It turns out Fidelity has been at this for three years, using its own computers to harvest the digital currencies bitcoin and Ethereum, which today trade for around $4,300 and $300 respectively.

Fidelity’s mining operations aren’t the only way the company is gaining insights into cryptocurrency. This summer, the brokerage entered an arrangement with Coinbase, a popular San Francisco-based exchange, to let customers view the value of their digital currency alongside stocks and others assets on their Fidelity homepage. The Coinbase tie-up is a convenience for customers, but also lets Fidelity gain insight into how many how investors are interested in cryptocurrency.

http://fortune.com/2017/10/06/fidelity-bitcoin-ethereum/

Not only have they been mining for years without talking about it, but they're data mining their customers so they can gauge market sentiment. I'm sure there are other cases like this, like Wall Street firms spinning off startups and hedge funds to gain exposure.

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Due to bitcoin decentralized nature many cooperation and organizations are now optioning for bitcoin and other cryptocurrency because it give the total freedom in doing transaction and on a fast and secured network, compared to what we use to have where there is high level of third party involvement.

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have you ever asked if some companies are seriously investing in Cryptos and still not talking about it?
They way crypto platform for Institutional client is been developed by the day is become an eye opener that there is serious interest
by companies but I guess anonymity is prefered

Huobi Launches a trading platform for institution https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/huobi-crypto-exchange-to-launch-institutional-trading-to-a-limited-group/

So do you think companies like NASDAQ is good for the market https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-27/nasdaq-is-said-to-pursue-bitcoin-futures-despite-plunging-prices

SO do you think Bitcoin will be the future all sometimes fade away?

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