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legendary
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So no. The Sun has been microwaving nothing on Earth for billions of years, except the atmosphere. And don't mention the times where there was no atmosphere, that's now billions of years that's not the case anymore.


Wow, you honestly believe the earth has had an atmosphere remotely like our present one for billions of years?

And you do know that the atmosphere, which you are aware has been microwaved by the sun for some epoch period of time, contains massive amounts of water vapor, don't you? 

That's cute.  Are you a girl or something?   Cheesy

Your microwave is clearly haunted by demons.  I suggest asking the Pope for an exorcism.  Or apply leeches. 

Whatever sets your scientifically illiterate heat aflutter, and makes you feel safe from the invisible-yet-evil horrors of microwaves.   Grin
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Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things
Despite what you may have seen in the (completely retarded) movie The Core, the Earth's magnetic field only affects charged particles; it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on any kind of electromagnetic radiation.

Was calling out this part
Electromagnetic radiation trapped in the magnetosphere above the plasma frequency
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JA078i034p08136/abstract

Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things
Despite what you may have seen in the (completely retarded) movie The Core, the Earth's magnetic field only affects charged particles; it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on any kind of electromagnetic radiation.

The Geomagnetic sphere protects from cosmic rays it is the reason we even have life on this earth
The reason we have the Northern and Southern lights is because of interactions in the magnetosphere with the Solar Wind
Cosmic rays and the solar wind are both composed entirely of the aforementioned charged particles, mostly high energy protons.

No contest on that point
legendary
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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things
Despite what you may have seen in the (completely retarded) movie The Core, the Earth's magnetic field only affects charged particles; it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on any kind of electromagnetic radiation.

The Geomagnetic sphere protects from cosmic rays it is the reason we even have life on this earth
The reason we have the Northern and Southern lights is because of interactions in the magnetosphere with the Solar Wind
Cosmic rays and the solar wind are both composed entirely of the aforementioned charged particles, mostly high energy protons.
legendary
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Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things
Despite what you may have seen in the (completely retarded) movie The Core, the Earth's magnetic field only affects charged particles; it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on any kind of electromagnetic radiation.

The Geomagnetic sphere protects from cosmic rays it is the reason we even have life on this earth
The reason we have the Northern and Southern lights is because of interactions in the magnetosphere with the Solar Wind

But lets simplify this
Light is both a wave and a particle and recent research proves it does have an effect on electromagnetic radiation perhaps not much but something as well. But your right it was the atmosphere cosmic rays and EM are different.
I was thinking along the lines of solar storms and why a Solar Burst will cause electronics to fail
Which is mitigated by the magentosphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1989_geomagnetic_storm
Electromagnetic radiation trapped in the magnetosphere above the plasma frequency
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/JA078i034p08136/abstract
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/releases/2010/10-012.html
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/earth-will-have-15-minutes-to-protect-electronics/
http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/4614/new-study-proves-the-magnetosphere-protects-earth

New research brings about new discovery's the quote it has absolutely no effect Is wrong
Science has no absolutes
legendary
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If you think microwaves go through the atmosphere, see my previous post
I saw your previous post. It displays your remarkable ability to read something without understanding it. Go read that article again, especially the part about microwave radiation from space being detectable by ground based observatories. I do think microwaves go through the atmosphere. Radar astronomers also think microwaves go through the atmosphere. Radar wouldn't even work at all if they didn't. As for the sun's microwaves in particular, most of the radiation (what did you think the word "primarily" means, in that context?) is indeed absorbed by the atmosphere without reaching the Earth's surface, but some is not. And the microwave radiation that does reach the Earth, both from the sun and other sources, is completely harmless.
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Maybe it's because everything is stopped by the atmosphere?
The atmosphere is more or less transparent to most wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. This is evidenced by the fact that you can, you know, see through it. Radar astronomers, using microwaves, also have no difficulty seeing through it. Although the atmosphere absorbs most of the sun's microwaves, some manages to get through. And it's not just harmless stuff like light and microwaves that the atmosphere is transparent to: although the ozone layer provides partial protection against ultraviolet radiation, a significant portion still reaches Earth - this why you should wear sunscreen to avoid skin cancer. Why would you think the atmosphere stops "everything"?
See the context, I was referring to microwaves...
If you think microwaves go through the atmosphere, see my previous post
legendary
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Maybe it's because everything is stopped by the atmosphere?
The atmosphere is more or less transparent to most wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation. This is evidenced by the fact that you can, you know, see through it. Radar astronomers, using microwaves, also have no difficulty seeing through it. Although the atmosphere absorbs most of the sun's microwaves, some manages to get through. And it's not just harmless stuff like light and microwaves that the atmosphere is transparent to: although the ozone layer provides partial protection against ultraviolet radiation, a significant portion still reaches Earth - this why you should wear sunscreen to avoid skin cancer. Why would you think the atmosphere stops "everything"?

Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things
Despite what you may have seen in the (completely retarded) movie The Core, the Earth's magnetic field only affects charged particles; it has absolutely no effect whatsoever on any kind of electromagnetic radiation.
legendary
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The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.
Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?

Why yes, I do science.  And rather a lot.  Thanks for having the courage to respond.  At least you're willing to listen to an opposing PoV, unlike some other people here.

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http://space.about.com/od/astronomydictionary/g/Microwave-Radiation.htm

   Microwave Radiation

From John P. Millis, Ph.D, former About.com Guide
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Astronomical Sources of Microwave Radiation

The closest source of non-terrestrial microwaves is our Sun.
Thanks for your link
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the specific wavelengths of microwaves that are primarily emitted by our Sun are absorbed by our atmosphere.
So no. The Sun has been microwaving nothing on Earth for billions of years, except the atmosphere. And don't mention the times where there was no atmosphere, that's now billions of years that's not the case anymore.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.
Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?

Why yes, I do science.  And rather a lot.  Thanks for having the courage to respond.  At least you're willing to listen to an opposing PoV, unlike some other people here.

Quote
http://space.about.com/od/astronomydictionary/g/Microwave-Radiation.htm

   Microwave Radiation

From John P. Millis, Ph.D, former About.com Guide
Quote
Astronomical Sources of Microwave Radiation

The closest source of non-terrestrial microwaves is our Sun.
legendary
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The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.
Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?
Huh What? The sun has been microwaving everything on Earth for billions of years. No harm seems to have come of it, especially compared to the ultraviolet radiation the sun is constantly spraying out, which is far more dangerous.
Maybe it's because everything is stopped by the atmosphere?
Geomagnetic field/ Magnetosphere and most things
legendary
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The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.
Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?
Huh What? The sun has been microwaving everything on Earth for billions of years. No harm seems to have come of it, especially compared to the ultraviolet radiation the sun is constantly spraying out, which is far more dangerous.
Maybe it's because everything is stopped by the atmosphere?
legendary
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I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food
Quote from: Dangers of Microwave Food
All most people know about the operation of a microwave is that after pushing a few buttons, food heats up quickly and easily. Yet just how the oven heats that food is a violent, destructive process. Electromagnetic energy bombards the food, creating intense molecular vibration due to the natural polarity of water molecules in the food. Those vibrations cause friction, which in turn generates heat and heats the food. At the same time, however, those very molecules responsible for heating the food are ripped apart -- a chemical change that can be dangerous.
More bullshit. Non-ionising radiation is not "a violent, destructive process" that "rips apart" molecules. Heat can cause chemical reactions and in some cases produce toxic or carcinogenic chemicals, but the source of the heat makes no difference.

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She might be at the magic kindgom
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Some people might love to know that
Sorry that was too easy
legendary
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I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food
The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.
Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?
Huh What? The sun has been microwaving everything on Earth for billions of years. No harm seems to have come of it, especially compared to the ultraviolet radiation the sun is constantly spraying out, which is far more dangerous.
legendary
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The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.
Wow
Just wow
Do you even science?
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
All forms of heating destroy nutrients in food, not just microwaves. In most cases, microwaves actually do less damage than other methods of cooking, due to the lower temperatures and shorter cooking times (the only exception is boiling certain vegetables, which some studies suggest causes slightly less damage than microwaving).

The paper in that link is complete bullshit. For starters, the formation of radiolytic compounds in a microwave oven is flat-out impossible, as microwave radiation is non-ionising. Microwave radiation is also not "AC" or "DC"; these are varieties of electric current, not radiation. Radiation can be neither of these things.

There is also no way for microwaves to increase the cholesterol content of foods. More likely, the types of food which are typically microwaved (ie, junk food) contain higher levels of cholesterol to start with. Eating that shit ain't healthy, microwaved or not.

As for increased white blood cell counts, it is less widely-known than it should be that because microwaves cook at lower temperatures, there is a much higher risk of bacterial contamination from undercooked food. Lack of awareness of this fact is a very common cause of food poisoning.

Gentlemen, I believe we have a quandary perhaps we should settle this myth with the mythbusters
What else are they for XD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMicrowave_oven/Archive_4#No_mention_of_Russia_banning_microwaves.3F
Wiki seems to have history with this

Back to plants
Plants probably do like their water from the tap or your garden don't know about boiling it in a microwave though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO6DJz3OF8Q
Hypothesis: It slows down growth but does still grow likely due to the nutrients suggestion
Likely conclusion: Microwaving water does hurt plant growth by extending the duration on a micro-level no idea

Off Topic
I agree that all forms of heating do destroy nutrients in food but if I recall correctly there are differences based on the method used
And that paper is bullocks but I brought it up for discussion Smiley
That said it did have citations from another url basically same article with the cite notes included
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-dangers-of-microwave-radiation-cannot-be-ignored/24342

I do remember reading somewhere that cancerous types are more common when using microwave heating than other conventional cooking methods probally due to the chemical changes in food right it was carcinogens but the article I pointed to says no although plastic is a factor with BPA
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Dangers_of_Microwave_Food
http://www.cfs.gov.hk/english/programme/programme_rafs/files/microwave_ra_e.pdf

Just for Fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OXM4mr_i0


sr. member
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There's normally a little chlorine in tap water. Boiling the water, in a microwave or on a stove, will remove most of the chlorine. Chlorine is not good for plant growth, so microwaved water should actually be a little better. However, the amount of chlorine in tap water is very small, and I doubt it will make any noticeable difference.

Minerals in tap water can't be removed by boiling, since the water does not reach the boiling point of any mineral. If you want to remove minerals, you'd have to use a different process - perhaps a filter or a still?
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i guess Plants can adapt to little Changes
but i'm sure it will decrease the Yield, except you got Arsen or something else in your Pipes
your do you live in a Slum then maybe it's better for your Plants to boil the Water.
legendary
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All forms of heating destroy nutrients in food, not just microwaves. In most cases, microwaves actually do less damage than other methods of cooking, due to the lower temperatures and shorter cooking times (the only exception is boiling certain vegetables, which some studies suggest causes slightly less damage than microwaving).

The paper in that link is complete bullshit. For starters, the formation of radiolytic compounds in a microwave oven is flat-out impossible, as microwave radiation is non-ionising. Microwave radiation is also not "AC" or "DC"; these are varieties of electric current, not radiation. Radiation can be neither of these things.

There is also no way for microwaves to increase the cholesterol content of foods. More likely, the types of food which are typically microwaved (ie, junk food) contain higher levels of cholesterol to start with. Eating that shit ain't healthy, microwaved or not.

As for increased white blood cell counts, it is less widely-known than it should be that because microwaves cook at lower temperatures, there is a much higher risk of bacterial contamination from undercooked food. Lack of awareness of this fact is a very common cause of food poisoning.
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actually we're ONLY dealing with what it does to 'tap' water in this experiment
legendary
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