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Topic: Do you think microwaved water hurts plant growth? - page 3. (Read 4835 times)

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Wrong. Water can indeed be heated beyond its boiling point without actually boiling, a process known as superheating, and this is much more likely to occur in a microwave than a stove due to the fact that a microwave heats water more evenly. It is a well-known hazard of microwave cooking.

"Homogeneous liquids can superheat[32][33] when heated in a microwave oven in a container with a smooth surface. That is, the liquid reaches a temperature slightly above its normal boiling point without bubbles of vapour forming inside the liquid. The boiling process can start explosively when the liquid is disturbed, such as when the user takes hold of the container to remove it from the oven or while adding solid ingredients such as powdered creamer or sugar"
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Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.
This is a common misconception. Microwaves are not even close to the resonant frequency of water molecules, instead the heat is caused by the fact that water (along with fats and sugars) is a polar molecule, meaning the electric charges are not evenly distributed (ie, each molecule has a positively charged end and a negatively charged end), and exposing it to a rapidly varying electric field causes the molecule to vibrate. The exact frequency does not matter, though higher frequencies penetrate less deeply and so are less useful for cooking.

do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.
Wrong. Water can indeed be heated beyond its boiling point without actually boiling, a process known as superheating, and this is much more likely to occur in a microwave than a stove due to the fact that a microwave heats water more evenly. It is a well-known hazard of microwave cooking.
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do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.

Actually it varies under pressure; which varies by elevation and other factors
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do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?

Well it doesn't.  Stove or microwave, liquid water can only get so hot before it boils into gas form.  This is commonly known as the boiling point and for water it is 100 deg C.
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Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.

What type of experiment and outcome would make you change your opinion ?

One that demonstrates a repeatable difference between stove-heated and microwave-heated water.

The sun has been microwaving everything on earth for billions of years.  Hasn't hurt the plants one bit.   Tongue

Please come out of the dark ages, and leave your demon-haunted world for our nice post-enlightenment modernity.   Cool
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Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.

What type of experiment and outcome would make you change your opinion ?
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Anyone with half a brain knows it's no. Microwaves are just that, waves. It's no different than saying "does shaking water harm plant growth?", noting is being added to, removed from, or changed within, the water.
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microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.

No, just no.

Microwaves use microwaves, not sound waves (that is where the name microwave comes from). Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths on the micrometer scale, so they have less energy than light (nanometer scale) and more energy than radio waves (meter scale).

Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.

If you let the water sit, the energy will dissipate and it will go back to how it was energetically before you zapped it. Boiling water does expel any gases dissolved in the water, so it can change the pH (by releasing carbon dioxide). Also, some organic molecule can be destroyed or altered by the high heat. So the water can be changed chemically, depending on what traces were in it before you started.


do you think it makes a difference that maybe the microwave heats it hotter than boiling on a stove?
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microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.

No, just no.

Microwaves use microwaves, not sound waves (that is where the name microwave comes from). Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with wavelengths on the micrometer scale, so they have less energy than light (nanometer scale) and more energy than radio waves (meter scale).

Microwaves happen to be the same energy as the rotations and vibrations of molecules (especially the O-H bond vibrations and the rotation of the water molecules), and so due to resonance when you blast a molecule with microwaves it absorbs the energy and vibrates and rotates faster increasing the energy and temperature.

If you let the water sit, the energy will dissipate and it will go back to how it was energetically before you zapped it. Boiling water does expel any gases dissolved in the water, so it can change the pH (by releasing carbon dioxide). Also, some organic molecule can be destroyed or altered by the high heat. So the water can be changed chemically, depending on what traces were in it before you started.
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microwaves heat food with soundwaves. there is no radioactivity involved like so many people want to believe. however, boiling water releases many of the minerals and other microscopic nutrients that may be in the water to begin with. probably not lethal, but not the healthiest.

^^^inconclusive; that's why I didn't vote.
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You can see the evidence before you vote:

PAST EXPERIMENTS AND RESULTS:

Supporting damage claim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0NSV6Mqlgw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rlJL-2R7TA

Opposite Result:
http://kimmxjayne.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/day-10-microwave-experiment/

Neutral Result:
this 12 day experiment shows no ill effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPEFJgfuMwk


For those that don't know and/or want to confirm, I can run an experiment:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-experiments-fund-me-in-bitcoin-for-fun-small-scale-experiments-233186
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