Do you think the house can counter your strategy?

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Quote from: Text on August 16, 2020, 04:57:05 AM

It does not exploit or bug, I just use a fair strategy.

If that's the case then admin will just let you use that "fair strategy". If you win big then that's it. If you tell that on trollbox, they won't bother too.

They won't look at their system just because you always win on that fair strategy and modifying it in favor of them. It will just lead to ruining their reputation*. I mean why should they adjust their system just because they saw someone winning on their strategy. They have lots of players and some know about the technical aspect of the system and have an idea of how proved their bet is under the provably fair system.

And besides, that strategy will soon be wrecked in the long-run of playing. House can't ever be defeated. That's why if ever you hit a good profit using that fair strategy of yours, take that session as a day and come back the other time.

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If a website is rigged and is not good with you winning even a cent from there, it is possible that the admin might call the developer to let them know about the 'exploit' to be stopped and make immediate changes to the gaming code so to make us lose in the long run. Many games do not have the provably fair option available, which can be a perk to the admins of that casino.

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Quote from: Text on August 15, 2020, 10:01:45 AM

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So here's the question:
Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

Well, that is possible. But in legal ways perhaps, we can always verify the provably fair system in a certain casino, --that's is the best verification that can never modify by them. I think there is nothing wrong if you are using a strategy with a fair game. The owner will not take advantage of that because that is fair to their system. But perhaps if they will see it is more likely abuse to their system, that is the time they will take action. Besides, there is no strategy that will be used in a long period of time, perhaps there is but in a short period of time.

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Quote from: MCobian on August 16, 2020, 05:57:42 AM

Because gambling sites will protect their reputation, so I really believe the house can't counter your strategy.
If they wanted to counter every strategy it would appear unfair, it would damage their reputation for fairness.
Chances are they will make you comfortable and you will be gambling in the long run. Eventually what happened
was the house would still win, because no matter how great your strategy may not be effective in the long term.

With that statement, a certain gambler can win over the house if he will have a good attitude maintaining his discipline.

It's the only possible way to win over the casino house, if you have good strategy
and you see it's working never to overuse it, if possible always stay away from greediness.

For greediness the person himself is responsible for it as their is no end to it . One has to be self contained and know the limits beacuse playing for some fun and at times if you win much better it is but then if without any rationale just playing to make some money might land you in trouble and may lose very big amount as well . So one should be careful about it and play as their own strategy as house have a predefined rule.

No strategy can make you win over the house for a long time. strategies may work but you need to be clever enough to use them wisely. Many people apply the strategy, win few good games but keep on playing and eventually losing all their earned money.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on August 16, 2020, 11:35:00 AM

Quote from: MCobian on August 16, 2020, 05:57:42 AM

Because gambling sites will protect their reputation, so I really believe the house can't counter your strategy.
If they wanted to counter every strategy it would appear unfair, it would damage their reputation for fairness.
Chances are they will make you comfortable and you will be gambling in the long run. Eventually what happened
was the house would still win, because no matter how great your strategy may not be effective in the long term.

With that statement, a certain gambler can win over the house if he will have a good attitude maintaining his discipline.

It's the only possible way to win over the casino house, if you have good strategy
and you see it's working never to overuse it, if possible always stay away from greediness.

For greediness the person himself is responsible for it as their is no end to it . One has to be self contained and know the limits beacuse playing for some fun and at times if you win much better it is but then if without any rationale just playing to make some money might land you in trouble and may lose very big amount as well . So one should be careful about it and play as their own strategy as house have a predefined rule.

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Quote from: MCobian on August 16, 2020, 05:57:42 AM

Because gambling sites will protect their reputation, so I really believe the house can't counter your strategy.
If they wanted to counter every strategy it would appear unfair, it would damage their reputation for fairness.
Chances are they will make you comfortable and you will be gambling in the long run. Eventually what happened
was the house would still win, because no matter how great your strategy may not be effective in the long term.

With that statement, a certain gambler can win over the house if he will have a good attitude maintaining his discipline.

It's the only possible way to win over the casino house, if you have good strategy
and you see it's working never to overuse it, if possible always stay away from greediness.

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I watched this on a movie where the house is watching every players and if they saw you playing on a pattern, you’ll get busted but I forgot the title of this movie. Anyway, I also don’t think casinos will closely monitor each player I believe they have a system that will automatically reset the game setting every week, or even everyday so you might play the game again but your strategies will not be profitable again, Only the houses knows this thing and it can easily detect you if you play online. Don’t mind the house as long as they’re fair, you’ll be fine just keep playing to have fun and don’t get too addicted.

I watched a movie about these genius player that use card counting and going to Las Vegas to earn a huge amount on weekends, one of the my favorite movies titled 21. At that movie, there are these people that watch casinos and if they are suspiciously winning huge amounts, they will be observe and if proven counting, will be taken and beaten by Laurence Fishburne. Anyway, as I said, as long as people are not acutally cheating, the casinos have no problem with it. These people are making ways to beat the system, well, they we're also beaten with huge punches.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 16, 2020, 09:22:05 AM

Quote from: Text on August 16, 2020, 04:57:05 AM

Dice games turned out to be my hobby. It does not exploit or bug, I just use a fair strategy.

In the case of bitcoin dice games, then there is no way for the house to counter your strategy without rigging the game. Provided the dice results are totally random, which they should be, then neither you nor the house can do anything in the way of adopting a strategy or a counter-strategy which would change the house edge over the long term.

Progressive bets in dice is the best strategy and there is no way that casino will prohibit increasing your bet if you lose. So the dice game is totally random, you just bet on which you think will win high or low and that's it. Actually there is also no way for casino to find out what's going to draw next if they are really fair, it is the system they build that decides what they gonna draw next. Interview some casino millionaires.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on August 16, 2020, 09:22:05 AM

This is assuming, of course, that the casino you are playing on is provably fair, and allows you to verify that the dice rolls are in fact random. If the site you are using is not provably fair (and make sure you test it yourself and don't just take their word for it), then they can absolutely rig the game against you.

Sometimes when I try new casino, I really try their dice game if it is really fair, and I must say some of them are not fair in dice. I roll 10 times with low bets, all high and I roll again 10 times with low bets, all low they will not rig the game until you raise your bets. This is why looking for the fairest casino is a must, don't be fooled with bonuses.

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All gambler want to play fairly without any manipulation on the site where they are playing. If there is a site that monitor your strategy habit and they will reset it against you, then I think you should verify every bet. A good think if you have any doubt about the fairness of a gambling site, its a good idea to verify that.

However, any strategy we use to gamble will only help us increase our chances of winning and that is temporary. Nothing will achieve consistency when we bet against the system.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-verify-every-bet-as-a-gambler-provably-fair-guide-5227525

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Quote from: Janation on August 16, 2020, 12:59:20 AM

There is no point for them to counter your strategy.

We all know that there is no strategy that can actually defeat the casinos, its been a long time and I don't think there is a strategy that can actually beat the system of these casinos. These strategies are our ways of increasing the percentage of us not losing the game, for example martingale though this strat increases the risk despite that.

I certainly have the same though as yours. Some also said that the house would make adjustments once a player's strategy is found out, possibly I think. But the house would only do such if your winnings result great impact to the entire casino. Although, I thought that maybe if the casino is really fair they won't do such thing.

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Quote from: Ayiranorea on August 15, 2020, 11:07:20 AM

When you expose your plans of using any of the strategies, the gambling site might take advantage of the same. House always try to make earning out of the gamblers, but these days gambling sites are legit in their functioning. This is all because of the increased number of gambling sites available to try our luck.

It will not be necessary to the house to even think how they will counter you to the strategy that you've revealed.
They are earning more than what you are earning. And in the long run, the house will be the most profitable one.
Though as for myself, I do not reveal how I am winning and what are my strategies, of course to have the edge.

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Quote from: Text on August 16, 2020, 04:57:05 AM

Just now I came back, super busy earlier. Also, I only thought about it last night, before I went to sleep.

Dice games turned out to be my hobby. It does not exploit or bug, I just use a fair strategy.

Just as I thought, it was dice or slots.

Quote from: Text on August 16, 2020, 04:57:05 AM

I just forgot to put it that I did not expect to beat the house edge because I knew that would not really happen, they have the advantage.

It's okay for me to have at least a little as long as there is.

As long as we know we trust the online casino we are playing, we really have nothing to worry about.

Anyway, thank you all for taking the time to provide answers, I appreciate it.

They might check it out once you reveal it.
But I doubt there will be changes.
It may be ignored and be concluded as a lucky streak.
Have you ever seen one who did it before? It's difficult to win against the house. Grin

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When I was in my young age, I managed to invent some way to advance in an online game without paying any penny. in other words, I have some technique which can ruin the entire game economy. It was not a bug but rather a game flaw which I am the only one who understands base on my personal experience. But the moment I spill the beans, mocking everyone who was struggling with the game and told them I can do such things without even sweating, the game master saw that and inspects my account and found the flaws. That was so fast and the GM fixed the flaws in the next update. so in my experience, whatever strategies you are talking about, you should not tell anybody if you don't want it to be countered by the house or the GM.

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Quote from: Text on August 16, 2020, 04:57:05 AM

Dice games turned out to be my hobby. It does not exploit or bug, I just use a fair strategy.

In the case of bitcoin dice games, then there is no way for the house to counter your strategy without rigging the game. Provided the dice results are totally random, which they should be, then neither you nor the house can do anything in the way of adopting a strategy or a counter-strategy which would change the house edge over the long term.

This is assuming, of course, that the casino you are playing on is provably fair, and allows you to verify that the dice rolls are in fact random. If the site you are using is not provably fair (and make sure you test it yourself and don't just take their word for it), then they can absolutely rig the game against you.

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Maybe they can, but they won't probably do that to their customers. I mean, if the casino has a lot of customers, they won't focus on you and try to counter your strategy (maybe if you bet a huge amount of money). But I also doubt that legit and trusted casino sites would do such things since it will lose the trust of their customers.

Also, even if you exposed your strategy, it's not even a hundred percent sure that it will work. The house edge has the advantage so I think there's no need for them to do that to their customers.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 16, 2020, 05:43:49 AM

In short the house edge always win in terms of profit but if it is about beating or to counter the strategy you use then the house edge can't counter your strategy because if it did then that means that the casino is cheating to their gamblers then that just makes their casino a scam casino.

Yes, house will have edge or say will need to have it if they have to make profits. So this will continue the same way and doubtful about them making any changes in strategy because as you mentioned it could mean that they are cheating it and this is not what the top casinos would be doing it as it will have impact on their business.

I think the house always finds a way to counter your strategy in any gambling games that they do sometimes cheat in the casino, so they could just earn profit. But I don't think it will have an impact to their gambling business because as long they are not being caught by gamblers that they are cheating, they could continue as they want.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on August 16, 2020, 05:43:49 AM

In short the house edge always win in terms of profit but if it is about beating or to counter the strategy you use then the house edge can't counter your strategy because if it did then that means that the casino is cheating to their gamblers then that just makes their casino a scam casino.

Yes, house will have edge or say will need to have it if they have to make profits. So this will continue the same way and doubtful about them making any changes in strategy because as you mentioned it could mean that they are cheating it and this is not what the top casinos would be doing it as it will have impact on their business.

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Because gambling sites will protect their reputation, so I really believe the house can't counter your strategy.
If they wanted to counter every strategy it would appear unfair, it would damage their reputation for fairness.
Chances are they will make you comfortable and you will be gambling in the long run. Eventually what happened
was the house would still win, because no matter how great your strategy may not be effective in the long term.

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In short the house edge always win in terms of profit but if it is about beating or to counter the strategy you use then the house edge can't counter your strategy because if it did then that means that the casino is cheating to their gamblers then that just makes their casino a scam casino.

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Quote from: Text on August 15, 2020, 10:01:45 AM

Is there a possibility that the house can counter the strategy you are using if you inform or expose it in the chat and the admin finds out and can he report it to the developer to make immediate adjustments to the betting trend?

The developers are not making these changes on the fly on seeing the strategy in a chat room, the gambling site works on random number generator and it is near impossible to manipulate if it is a licensed and reputed site as they are bound for audit from what i understand even though i am not an expert in this field. Why you think that the site is manipulating your strategy and which site is that.

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