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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 13, 2021, 03:40:26 PM

Quote from: tvbcof on September 13, 2021, 03:32:07 PM

and provide good reference to their source material.

Your source material is bitchute, which just proves my point about not understanding basic scientific principles.

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Quote from: tvbcof on September 13, 2021, 03:32:07 PM

Bro why keep talking after you've already been completely annihilated Cheesy

That's pretty funny. An perfect example right there of what you consider 'annihilation' of an alternate point of view which contains inconvient truths which are impossible for you to deal with.

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Quote from: Sifat Redwan on September 13, 2021, 05:21:33 PM

There is no other option except taking vaccines. What is the remedy then ? And the vaccines are certified by WHO.

bro horse medicine is much better Cheesy

source: trust me bro

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There is no other option except taking vaccines. What is the remedy then ? And the vaccines are certified by WHO.

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Quote from: tvbcof on September 13, 2021, 03:32:07 PM

and provide good reference to their source material.

Your source material is bitchute, which just proves my point about not understanding basic scientific principles.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 13, 2021, 03:14:10 PM

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Basically, if you find a doctor who says covid doesn’t exist or horse medicine is better than vaccinations etc., you say ‘look he’s a doctor, he must be right!’ but when another doctor sides with science, he’s clearly indoctrinated.

You've arrived at the crux of the matter.

They choose a conclusion, then search desperately for anyone who says anything which supports that conclusion (regardless of how plainly moronic that statement is), meanwhile ignoring the mountains of evidence and 99.9% of doctors and scientists who disagree with them because they are all part of bIg PhArMa. No amount of evidence will ever change their mind, because they fundamentally do not understand even the most basic principles of how science works.

I put the most stock in people who use logic correctly, don't get caught lying to me, and provide good reference to their source material. Period. Lots of people on the 'anti-vax side' are people who I find either non-credible, or not having yet developed a record to be trustworthy.

I a long time ago bin-ed Dr. 'no such thing as virus' Kaufman as a probably dis-info agent. Basically the flat-earther equiv in biology-science land. It only works because there has been a ton of fraud around viruses for about 100 years dating back to the 'Spanish flu' (caused by a Rochefeller vaccine operation which created a bacterial pneumonia which worked very well) at least. I also remain unconvinced about the precise nature of the use of graphene oxide (though I do think that there is a 'there there' in some manner.) I'm waiting for an analysis from one of the scientists who I have developed some confidence in before I'll take a strong position on that.

It's interesting how you guys get so triggered by the concept that government authorities could ever seek to used dishonesty to affect a political objective. I see it happen all the time, and have throughout history. Nearly every war was started by a lie (Gulf of Tonkin, WMD's in Iraq, etc, etc, etc.) How you guys can forget all these things and be utterly convinced to stay with the FDA, CDC, WHO, etc and only with them is actually pretty amazing to watch. This is double true because they get caught in lies and changing their story all the time. And, of course, they use such child mentality level devices to do their propaganda (which I couldn't help but notice was dealt with in the normal way: snipped without a response.)

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Quote from: n0nce on September 13, 2021, 03:08:19 PM

Basically, if you find a doctor who says covid doesn’t exist or horse medicine is better than vaccinations etc., you say ‘look he’s a doctor, he must be right!’ but when another doctor sides with science, he’s clearly indoctrinated.

You've arrived at the crux of the matter.

They choose a conclusion, then search desperately for anyone who says anything which supports that conclusion (regardless of how plainly moronic that statement is), meanwhile ignoring the mountains of evidence and 99.9% of doctors and scientists who disagree with them because they are all part of bIg PhArMa. No amount of evidence will ever change their mind, because they fundamentally do not understand even the most basic principles of how science works.

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Quote from: tvbcof on September 13, 2021, 02:27:29 PM

This is a pretty good example of corp/gov fraud and propaganda, and it gets the lower-end people, such as the author of the post, all the time.

You guys are cherry-picking hard Grin

First: wow look, this report says the vaccine doesn’t work!
Next: oh no no, this other report is totally fake, of course it’s fake.

Basically, if you find a doctor who says covid doesn’t exist or horse medicine is better than vaccinations etc., you say ‘look he’s a doctor, he must be right!’ but when another doctor sides with science, he’s clearly indoctrinated.

How is the first doctor not indoctrinated if he had the same education?
It all doesn’t add up, you gotta admit Cheesy

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Quote from: Cnut237 on September 13, 2021, 01:18:34 PM

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As I say, you won't be convinced by something as outrageous as evidence, but I shall keep trying. Perhaps you might be interested in this paper, published today, by the Office of National Statistics?

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 2 January and 2 July 2021

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Between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 640 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who had received both vaccine doses, which is 1.2% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in that period (51,281 deaths). There were 458 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who received their second dose at least 21 days before the date of death. Deaths involving COVID-19 accounted for 0.8% of all deaths in this group, compared with 37.4% in unvaccinated individuals.

This is a pretty good example of corp/gov fraud and propaganda, and it gets the lower-end people, such as the author of the post, all the time.

- One would assume that if you got the jab, got sicker and sicker over the next few days and died, you would be classified as a 'vaccinated person', or at least not an 'unvaccinated person'. Nope. This is actually covered by weasel wording (2nd dose at least 21 days before blah, blah, blah) but they know that the retards won't read or understand such thing. But wait, it gets better.

- Most of my family got the jab when it came near the beginning of the year, and the 2nd jab on schedule. So, a month and a half after they got the first jab they were 'vaccinated' of course. Not so fast. For the purpose of tallying the numbers, one stops being 'vaccinated' and goes back to be 'unvaccinated three months after the 2nd jab. So there is only a 2.5 month window where one is tally'ed as being vaccinated.

- Not also that the death only has to 'involve COVID-19'. It's super easy for a person who had massive head trauma leading to death to be 'involved' covid-19 if the person was diagnosed with the supposed disease half a year ago. OTOH, it's perfectly possible for a technically 2.5-month-window 'vaccinated' person to be labeled as dying from pneumonia which had nothing to do with 'covid-19'. You just have to incentivize the right people to write the right things on the right paperwork.

- Nextly note that the time period covered includes mostly early on when many many fewer jabs had been given and the percentaged of jabed people would have been lower. When some actual thinking person asked the goobmint why they are ignoring the last 2.5 months of data, they basically said 'Oh, we're still collating that.' WTF good is a computer system and database if can barely collect data from nearly a quarter ago, and if you cannot even do that, you expect us to believe that you have an eagle-eye open for any 'vaccine' problems?!

These 'reports' are a joke. Half the time if you look close enough the numbers are just spit out of 'models' which are generated from closed source code and data, and the results of which heavily favor the big-Pharma eugenicist's goals.

All the vax-tards have are a complete inability to conceive of a world where government officials could ever skew data or work for anyone but 'we the people'. They think that 'we' somehow don't know what the government is saying, and if we did we would of course see things 'the right way.' In actual fact, we tend to know very well what the corp/gov is saying, why they are saying it, and the deceitful propaganda they use almost all the time in a high-value operation like the scamdemic. Knowing the means/motive/opportunity of the bureaucrats is THE reason we look for alternate sources. Most of us will probably still not 'love Big Brother' even after you criminalize failure to do so. It's just not an option we can avail in the same way that you cannot imagine a world without Him.

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Quote from: Natsuu on September 12, 2021, 12:54:25 AM

Quote from: hornetsnest on September 11, 2021, 10:35:29 AM

Many scientists and academics who are far better qualified than you or I are against this "experimental" vaccine.

And much more are not. If your argument for taking the vaccine is due to the number of professionals who are against and in favor. Then you will lose perfectly.

Though, we don't have such data's to provide as evidence... but there are data's that shows the percentage of in favor and against in general public.

Quote from: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(20)30012-0/fulltext

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16% of respondents displayed high levels of mistrust about vaccines across one or more domains. Distrustful attitudes towards vaccination were higher amongst individuals from ethnic minority backgrounds, with lower levels of education, lower annual income, poor knowledge of COVID-19, and poor compliance with government COVID-19 guidelines. Overall, 14% of respondents reported unwillingness to receive a vaccine for COVID-19, whilst 23% were unsure. The largest predictors of both COVID-19 vaccine uncertainty and refusal were low-income groups (< £16,000, a year), having not received a flu vaccine last year, poor adherence to COVID-19 government guidelines, female gender, and living with children. Amongst vaccine attitudes, intermediate to high levels of mistrust of vaccine benefit and concerns about future unforeseen side effects were the most important determinants of both uncertainty and unwillingness to vaccinate against COVID-19.

Quote from: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1124-9

Abstract
Several coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are currently in human trials. In June 2020, we surveyed 13,426 people in 19 countries to determine potential acceptance rates and factors influencing acceptance of a COVID-19 vaccine. Of these, 71.5% of participants reported that they would be very or somewhat likely to take a COVID-19 vaccine, and 48.1% reported that they would accept their employer’s recommendation to do so. Differences in acceptance rates ranged from almost 90% (in China) to less than 55% (in Russia). Respondents reporting higher levels of trust in information from government sources were more likely to accept a vaccine and take their employer’s advice to do so.

While yall are arguing here about digital currencies and vaccines the party boys over at the Bank of International settlements are rubbing their fat hands together at the good of it.

Social credit systems are an integral part of the vision for the new central bank digital currencies (CBDC) but they would never get compliance for a global standardised ID system that can track a users location in real time so this is where the plandemic solves that issue and allows the perfect pretext to create such a system and using the graduation process build on top of this platform "build back better" (they are fucking laughing at you while they party hard together as you hide under the bed waiting for them to release you on a collar and leash).

The Chinese slogan 'We will allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven, while making it hard for the discredited (mainly as in not paying back your loan for some useless shit made in china) to take a single step' is your future.

That's the endgame. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not.Your new digital gulag has already been designed and created.This is just how it will be rolled out. Once y'all on the ration card ye be queuing up to be chipped like a dog.

Next up will be war provoked by the devils puppets on both sides ( deVil always works both sides on the pitch to set one against the other),high fossil fuel prices,food shortages from the bread baskets,threat of nuclear annhilation.

Y'all better get right with Jesus and repent and apologise to the Almighty God for your arrogance before the Antichrist shows his face and rounds y'all up like monkeys to be chipped. The hour of mercy is closing ...choose wisely my furry little friends. Satan is NOT your friend and will discard and burn you like a piece of thrash once he has made use of you. Flee to Jesus before it's too late and your faith is sealed.

~crazy homeless dood

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 12, 2021, 10:54:27 PM

They found it does work.

I'm glad there's someone else with a brain in this endless nonsense thread. Thanks.
Yes, of course it works, as we all* knew full well. But you can't use facts and evidence to convince these people; their positions are entirely emotional; they are anti-vax zealots, anti-vax with a slavering, religious fervour, and nothing will shake them from their irrational beliefs.

Quote from: Tash on September 12, 2021, 09:43:20 AM

CDC, UK Government & Oxford University find the Covid-19 Vaccines do not work

As I say, you won't be convinced by something as outrageous as evidence, but I shall keep trying. Perhaps you might be interested in this paper, published today, by the Office of National Statistics?

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England: deaths occurring between 2 January and 2 July 2021

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Between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 640 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who had received both vaccine doses, which is 1.2% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in that period (51,281 deaths). There were 458 deaths involving COVID-19 in people who received their second dose at least 21 days before the date of death. Deaths involving COVID-19 accounted for 0.8% of all deaths in this group, compared with 37.4% in unvaccinated individuals.

* All of us who are capable of understanding basic mathematics.

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Quote from: n0nce on September 13, 2021, 08:32:12 AM

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That's wrong, your body doesn't really care if it sees a whole virus and learns the structure of the spike proteins from its shell or if it sees the pure, isolated spike proteins by themselves, which have been produced by reading and translating the messenger RNA that is contained in the vaccine.

That is true, but natural immunity takes account of the other 27 proteins on the envelop, and not just the spike. Also, virus mutations with a changed spike are not recognised by the vaccine,but they can be detected by natural immunity if it hasn't been messed up.

Never forget that vaccines rely on your natural immunity, so why bother with an imperfect pharma product when God has given you a very effective system that has worked for thousands of years.

Exactly.
But to this day there is no cure found for "believe". If someone believes a toxic soup slapped together in two days is better than thousand of years tested and tried immune system, then there is no help, lost cause.

In a sense covid is the new black plague, the people who kiss the bacteria invested feet of the holy figures to evade end up dying.
Nowadays the more die the more seek help in some miracle injection.

Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

Been doing some international traveling in recent times and i can tell you, you must have very very thick skin if unvaccineted and never tested. And the "Karen's", woow some viper there, once they moved on things start to normalize.

We know we know, Israeli Health Minister saying to the Interior Minister "there is no medical or epidemiological justification for the Covid passport, it is only intended to pressure the unvaccinated to vaccinate".
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1437396043424059396

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Quote from: n0nce on September 13, 2021, 08:32:12 AM

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That's wrong, your body doesn't really care if it sees a whole virus and learns the structure of the spike proteins from its shell or if it sees the pure, isolated spike proteins by themselves, which have been produced by reading and translating the messenger RNA that is contained in the vaccine.

That is true, but natural immunity takes account of the other 27 proteins on the envelop, and not just the spike. Also, virus mutations with a changed spike are not recognised by the vaccine,but they can be detected by natural immunity if it hasn't been messed up.

Never forget that vaccines rely on your natural immunity, so why bother with an imperfect pharma product when God has given you a very effective system that has worked for thousands of years.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on September 13, 2021, 06:57:38 AM

Vaccines create antibodies for second level protection. Natural immunity starts protection at the primary level,and therefore it is more capable of reducing asymptomatic transmission,

That's wrong, your body doesn't really care if it sees a whole virus and learns the structure of the spike proteins from its shell or if it sees the pure, isolated spike proteins by themselves, which have been produced by reading and translating the messenger RNA that is contained in the vaccine.

There's really no way to tell for the immune system where those unknown spike proteins come from.

In both cases, antibodies are produced and the information is stored long-term in memory B cells.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on September 13, 2021, 06:57:38 AM

More and more information and proof is appearing to confirm that natural immunity is superior to vaccine generated pseudo-immunity.

But a thinking person could work this out for himself.

Vaccines need good natural immunity to have any effect.

Current vaccines are based on a virus from at least 3 generations of virus ago.

Current vaccines just check for the spike protein, but there are 28 proteins on the Covid envelope. Natural immunity can look for all 28.

Vaccines create antibodies for second level protection. Natural immunity starts protection at the primary level,and therefore it is more capable of reducing asymptomatic transmission,

Pfizer is coming out with a 'new' drug which is the functional equiv of Ivermectin. Some are calling it Pfizermectin.

I've heard that Austrailia has banned prescriptions of Ivermectin now, but are gladly giving it out to the 'vaccinated' people. There are not enough confirmations on that yet.

Story here:

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/pfizers-new-pill-does-same-thing-as-ivermectin/

But it doesn't start until about 6 min in due to 'technical issues'. Also, as I write this, Ryan has not yet updated the page to provide the show notes. That is one of the main reasons I find the time to watch much of his work.

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More and more information and proof is appearing to confirm that natural immunity is superior to vaccine generated pseudo-immunity.

But a thinking person could work this out for himself.

Vaccines need good natural immunity to have any effect.

Current vaccines are based on a virus from at least 3 generations of virus ago.

Current vaccines just check for the spike protein, but there are 28 proteins on the Covid envelope. Natural immunity can look for all 28.

Vaccines create antibodies for second level protection. Natural immunity starts protection at the primary level,and therefore it is more capable of reducing asymptomatic transmission,

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Quote from: Tash on September 13, 2021, 02:19:58 AM

Side effect Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis from the experimental genetic modifying chemical soup also called a vaccine. Thanks but no thanks
https://www.cureus.com/articles/68051-toxic-epidermal-necrolysis-post-covid-19-vaccination---first-reported-case

We live in a 'new normal' world where images of the vaccine 'working' are NSFW on forums like Bitcointalk and grounds for post deletion by the moderators, yet are considered minor temporary inconveniences in the mainstream media and among the normies of sheepsville and MUCH better than getting the dreaded common cold.

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Side effect Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis from the experimental genetic modifying chemical soup also called a vaccine. Thanks but no thanks
https://www.cureus.com/articles/68051-toxic-epidermal-necrolysis-post-covid-19-vaccination---first-reported-case

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Quote from: Tash on September 12, 2021, 09:43:20 AM

CDC, UK Government & Oxford University find the Covid-19 Vaccines do not work
https://theexpose.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Pierpont-Why-mandated-vaccines-are-pointless-final-1.pdf

No they didn't.

They found it does work.

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CDC, UK Government & Oxford University find the Covid-19 Vaccines do not work
https://theexpose.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Pierpont-Why-mandated-vaccines-are-pointless-final-1.pdf

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Quote from: hornetsnest on September 11, 2021, 10:35:29 AM

Many scientists and academics who are far better qualified than you or I are against this "experimental" vaccine.

And much more are not. If your argument for taking the vaccine is due to the number of professionals who are against and in favor. Then you will lose perfectly.

Though, we don't have such data's to provide as evidence... but there are data's that shows the percentage of in favor and against in general public.

Quote from: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(20)30012-0/fulltext

Findings
16% of respondents displayed high levels of mistrust about vaccines across one or more domains. Distrustful attitudes towards vaccination were higher amongst individuals from ethnic minority backgrounds, with lower levels of education, lower annual income, poor knowledge of COVID-19, and poor compliance with government COVID-19 guidelines. Overall, 14% of respondents reported unwillingness to receive a vaccine for COVID-19, whilst 23% were unsure. The largest predictors of both COVID-19 vaccine uncertainty and refusal were low-income groups (< £16,000, a year), having not received a flu vaccine last year, poor adherence to COVID-19 government guidelines, female gender, and living with children. Amongst vaccine attitudes, intermediate to high levels of mistrust of vaccine benefit and concerns about future unforeseen side effects were the most important determinants of both uncertainty and unwillingness to vaccinate against COVID-19.

Quote from: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1124-9

Abstract
Several coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines are currently in human trials. In June 2020, we surveyed 13,426 people in 19 countries to determine potential acceptance rates and factors influencing acceptance of a COVID-19 vaccine. Of these, 71.5% of participants reported that they would be very or somewhat likely to take a COVID-19 vaccine, and 48.1% reported that they would accept their employer’s recommendation to do so. Differences in acceptance rates ranged from almost 90% (in China) to less than 55% (in Russia). Respondents reporting higher levels of trust in information from government sources were more likely to accept a vaccine and take their employer’s advice to do so.

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