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July 24, 2018, 07:54:49 AM
#77
Practice makes perfect if you are a chess player  Cheesy Professional gamblers can have so many ups and downs in one month's time that the stress alone will make you quit if not the losses. I think the only way to consistently beat the bookies is arbitrage betting. Mathematics can't fail you at the end of the day. Everything else is gambling. People can not predict with certainty the outcomes of events they have no full control over. Otherwise all the statisticians and analysts would have been winning all the time and all the houses would have been out of business by now  Cheesy I think if a bettor waged on every favorite in Russia from start to finish they would have ended in the red because stats lie. Performance can change, player fitness can change, injuries can happen and there are other factors that can alter the outcome of competition. I am trying to say that there is no clear-cut 100% working formula for success when luck is involved.
Hard work is necessary in every field of life. If you work hard in gambling, definitely you will eat the fruit in shape of winning money. Regular gambler spent a lot of time in seeking tricks and tactics and then become gambling experts. Nobody can use good tactics from the very first day. You will have to work hard to become gambling specialist. Winning the bet will be easy for you.
Yeah I think that if you are an experienced player you can win the game easily and to get experience you will have to work hard. It is not only in gambling but in every field of life. If you are a hard worker things will be easy for you. Gambling is a game of skills, experience, tricks and tactics, and having these things you become a professional gambler.
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July 24, 2018, 06:09:52 AM
#76
If you play online poker or do sportsbetting, then the answer is Yes. ...well i guess you need to be mentally strong if you click dices spins  a million times per day also
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July 24, 2018, 03:43:17 AM
#75
No, it is a product of luck.That is why it is gambling and not investments
Exactly in gambling the result doesn't depend on how much research you did or which strategy you applied if it's your day or you are lucky you will make profit otherwise you won't be happy when you are done with gambling.
If you are willing to spend time then spend on something useful not on something like gambling
I don’t think that hard work can help in gambling because it is not business and there is no hard work in gambling. Only experience, skills, tactics, tricks and of course luck can win the game for you. In the start you can work hard for becoming a gambling expert and then there is no role of hard work for the rest. Hard work can help you in other fields of life.
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July 23, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
#74
No No No,it doesn't count in gambling because it is matter of luck so if you keep trying again and again in gambling then it will do more negative things for you than the positive things.So don't try too hard in gambling just let your fortunate level do the things for you.
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July 21, 2018, 11:02:43 PM
#73
No, it is a product of luck.That is why it is gambling and not investments
Gambling is most with luck but not all of it has a product of luck, well its hard to explain this thing but there's still line for hard work for gamblers. There's an addicted gambler to games that are mostly basing with luck and that's the crazy part of it, although you are very hard working it won't work. But there are specific games that you can apply this but it depends. It may not be the same as investment but there's still room for it. Well we do have unique ideas about it.
I agree and everything has a purpose. If you want to do the hardwork where you make it sure that you have money after gambling, it’s planning and having a budget in which you are okay to lose it. Hard work can be considered preventing yourself to be addicted and preventing further greediness (if you have won a lot of games). It depends on the purpose of the person.
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July 21, 2018, 08:31:16 PM
#72
Hard work can make you win from gambling if you have a referral program for example. The more you work on getting referrals the more you are going to make Smiley
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July 21, 2018, 06:42:29 PM
#71
No, it is a product of luck.That is why it is gambling and not investments
Gambling is most with luck but not all of it has a product of luck, well its hard to explain this thing but there's still line for hard work for gamblers. There's an addicted gambler to games that are mostly basing with luck and that's the crazy part of it, although you are very hard working it won't work. But there are specific games that you can apply this but it depends. It may not be the same as investment but there's still room for it. Well we do have unique ideas about it.
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July 21, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
#70
Of course they have specially the casino banker repsentative continue to study and learn a new strategy how to become masters in the game of gambling, hard work are part of the ways to become master in any field of job.

I don't believe that there can be a master of gambling since gambling is a game of luck, you do not know what will happen your money. Also, hard work has nothing to do with gambling since as I've said, it is a game of luck. Hard work is a trait that needs to be used in a job and not on gambling. If you are a hard worker, it doesn't mean that you can master it since you still need knowledge and skills to it.
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July 21, 2018, 12:06:46 PM
#69
No, it is a product of luck.That is why it is gambling and not investments
Exactly in gambling the result doesn't depend on how much research you did or which strategy you applied if it's your day or you are lucky you will make profit otherwise you won't be happy when you are done with gambling.
If you are willing to spend time then spend on something useful not on something like gambling
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July 21, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
#68
Of course they have specially the casino banker repsentative continue to study and learn a new strategy how to become masters in the game of gambling, hard work are part of the ways to become master in any field of job.
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July 21, 2018, 08:37:17 AM
#67
Practice makes perfect if you are a chess player  Cheesy Professional gamblers can have so many ups and downs in one month's time that the stress alone will make you quit if not the losses. I think the only way to consistently beat the bookies is arbitrage betting. Mathematics can't fail you at the end of the day. Everything else is gambling. People can not predict with certainty the outcomes of events they have no full control over. Otherwise all the statisticians and analysts would have been winning all the time and all the houses would have been out of business by now  Cheesy I think if a bettor waged on every favorite in Russia from start to finish they would have ended in the red because stats lie. Performance can change, player fitness can change, injuries can happen and there are other factors that can alter the outcome of competition. I am trying to say that there is no clear-cut 100% working formula for success when luck is involved.
Hard work is necessary in every field of life. If you work hard in gambling, definitely you will eat the fruit in shape of winning money. Regular gambler spent a lot of time in seeking tricks and tactics and then become gambling experts. Nobody can use good tactics from the very first day. You will have to work hard to become gambling specialist. Winning the bet will be easy for you.

Something tells me that there are a lot of gambling addicts out there that think they're doing 'hard work', while in reality they're just fooling themselves.
There are very very few professional gamblers who actually manage to make a living out of gambling. Whatever the game may be, sports betting, poker or blackjack.

For the majority of people it's a lot better to put your hard work and effort in something else, before you end up getting addicted because you've convinced yourself you're a professional player. 

I think that these people convince themselves that by playing even more, the chances of winning will get even higher when in reality the number of times you play is not correlated to your chances of winning. In fact, it's possible that there are some gambling games which are rigged and which reduce your chances of winning the more you play. Why would a gambling company increase your chances? How will they profit from that? They will be at a loss if players were constantly winning. There's no hard work involved into gambling. This isn't like basketball or chess where hard work plays a part a contributes to your winnability.
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July 20, 2018, 10:50:36 AM
#66
No, it is a product of luck.That is why it is gambling and not investments
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July 20, 2018, 10:48:54 AM
#65
Simply no,it won't change any odds in our winnings.Because gambling winning based on our luck so even if we trying hard to win we need to be lucky enough and also trying hard can be dangerous for us because when we lose our money and we keep trying again then chance of losing again is high.
Right.Hardwork does not matter anymore in gambling because the result is still uncertain.You can't get any assurance to win because you study hard for it,the worst part is that you still end up a loser.So better treat gambling as for fun and entertainment.In this way it might be profitable i guess.
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July 20, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
#64
Simply no,it won't change any odds in our winnings.Because gambling winning based on our luck so even if we trying hard to win we need to be lucky enough and also trying hard can be dangerous for us because when we lose our money and we keep trying again then chance of losing again is high.
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July 20, 2018, 08:29:48 AM
#63
Practice makes perfect if you are a chess player  Cheesy Professional gamblers can have so many ups and downs in one month's time that the stress alone will make you quit if not the losses. I think the only way to consistently beat the bookies is arbitrage betting. Mathematics can't fail you at the end of the day. Everything else is gambling. People can not predict with certainty the outcomes of events they have no full control over. Otherwise all the statisticians and analysts would have been winning all the time and all the houses would have been out of business by now  Cheesy I think if a bettor waged on every favorite in Russia from start to finish they would have ended in the red because stats lie. Performance can change, player fitness can change, injuries can happen and there are other factors that can alter the outcome of competition. I am trying to say that there is no clear-cut 100% working formula for success when luck is involved.
Hard work is necessary in every field of life. If you work hard in gambling, definitely you will eat the fruit in shape of winning money. Regular gambler spent a lot of time in seeking tricks and tactics and then become gambling experts. Nobody can use good tactics from the very first day. You will have to work hard to become gambling specialist. Winning the bet will be easy for you.

Something tells me that there are a lot of gambling addicts out there that think they're doing 'hard work', while in reality they're just fooling themselves.
There are very very few professional gamblers who actually manage to make a living out of gambling. Whatever the game may be, sports betting, poker or blackjack.

For the majority of people it's a lot better to put your hard work and effort in something else, before you end up getting addicted because you've convinced yourself you're a professional player. 
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July 20, 2018, 06:11:38 AM
#62
There is no hard work in gambling, because seriously what hard works can you do in gambling if betting was easy as pie, literally there is no hard work in gambling. Winning against the house might be a hard work but you'll end up losing as always.

Majorly it is the card games that does require your skills and experience which will help you to win the games. Many of the games are the luck based games where you do not have to do anything just put money and may be you can win some if you have good luck.


In gambling all you need is your knowledge and skill of a specific game which will increase and will contribute in your chances of winning the game. Hard work is not necessary here and hard work is of many types, a person works traditionally or works in stores or any other job which require hard work but gambling is something else which is depending on your skills and knowledge.
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July 20, 2018, 05:27:29 AM
#61
Practice makes perfect if you are a chess player  Cheesy Professional gamblers can have so many ups and downs in one month's time that the stress alone will make you quit if not the losses. I think the only way to consistently beat the bookies is arbitrage betting. Mathematics can't fail you at the end of the day. Everything else is gambling. People can not predict with certainty the outcomes of events they have no full control over. Otherwise all the statisticians and analysts would have been winning all the time and all the houses would have been out of business by now  Cheesy I think if a bettor waged on every favorite in Russia from start to finish they would have ended in the red because stats lie. Performance can change, player fitness can change, injuries can happen and there are other factors that can alter the outcome of competition. I am trying to say that there is no clear-cut 100% working formula for success when luck is involved.
Hard work is necessary in every field of life. If you work hard in gambling, definitely you will eat the fruit in shape of winning money. Regular gambler spent a lot of time in seeking tricks and tactics and then become gambling experts. Nobody can use good tactics from the very first day. You will have to work hard to become gambling specialist. Winning the bet will be easy for you.
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July 19, 2018, 03:13:12 AM
#60
What you guys are saying is true, that with certain games like "dice" having "worked hard" won't have any effect on your odds. If the next roll is meant to be a loss, then no amount of "working hard" will help you win.

However you need to realize that when you work hard, you gain experience and experience is something that can't be taught.

Why do most people fail at dice? They basically martingale or they get greedy and emotional.

With enough experience you will learn how "not" to be greedy and emotional and it can help you in your dice gambling even though its based on odds and chances.

However there are easier ways to achieve this and one way would be to simply code some bot to do the rolls for your. Unless there is some bug, the bot won't get emotional and make greedy/fearful bets which is where most humans fail, especially the new gamblers.
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July 19, 2018, 02:57:14 AM
#59
I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Based on your outlined explanation, I am compelled agree with you that  hard work actually speaks but rather than emphasising hard work, it would be better to say smart work in gambling because the hard work nomenclature could be misconstrued and if interpreted literally, its would only lead to addiction which is something that I would always advocate against as that has led to the downfall of so many people irrespective of wherever they are.

The smart work of gambling most times is surely better. For a games of intelligence such as chess, cards, black jacks etc. Its of course smart works but the issue is that a lot of people who thinks they are smart about it are actually hardworkers which makes winning difficult but for chance games like dice or football, its less reliant on intelligence.
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July 19, 2018, 02:24:10 AM
#58
I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Hard work does not make any sense when you are gambling or betting on a pure luck game. Hard work only pays off on a game that needs skill to win.
This is my point. Hard work never counts when you are doing a wrong act. If this is the case and point of nature, then a person who is going to kill somebody in other city has to do hard efforts to make a good kill at the end of day. He can claims that I have traveled so many years and had such hard efforts so why I am not getting successful. Wrong never have a right face.
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