Topic: Does it mean the poor can't breath anymore? - page 2. (Read 698 times)

Op, if you and every other user feel pained when you are corrected tell me how do you intend to grow to the level of helping others who may be looking up to you? a lot has been said here but am yet to see anyone telling you this which is the main reason why I decided to say it to you, if you don't want to be corrected go ahead and become a genius overnight, kill that ego which I think is the main reason why you made this post because you had to even use words which you didn't point out that any one used on you or other newbies whom you are speaking for so why are you being so furious for nothing when you know that you can scroll pass post which you think is offensive to you rather than responding back, am sorry to say this but if you don't wanna learn you don't want to be corrected and you don't want to do the right things then you shouldn't be here because you can't stop everybody from expressing themselves  when a post is made.

You're the one seeing it as an attack, to them correcting you it mightn't be an attack because we have people from different parts of the world on the forum and not everyone have the same way of thinking/behaving, some people are naturally harsh with their words and others are friendly. You can be corrected in both ways and still they're trying to help you out. You (OP) have to also work on your choice of words because you aren't sounding nice either and some group of people might find your post offensive without you trying to be offensive but just because of your choice of words and that is the same thing that is happening when people correct you and you find it offensive.

This is merely a forum and you are to let things go, don't envy those with high rank instead decide to learn from them. For everyone that have ranked up genuinely, they have sometimes that you can learn from and use it in helping yourself to better your account on the forum. When the correction comes irrespective of how it comes, take the positivity from the correction and move on. This forum isn't real life that you should get all angry that someone is disrespecting you because you don't know who they're in real life. We should all learn to not reason much into things or we'll always get angry at people behaviour.

It's quite cold outside and I understand your plight most especially in this forum where some members have decided to try to play gods over others a d acting as if without them no one can have a say I what ever discussion that is going on here in the forum, some just give trust feedbacks without any justifiable reasons so for that all that you need to do is to develop a thick skin and keep developing yourself to the point that it becomes in possible for anyone to just frustrate your efforts just like that and also stand your ground and defend what you believe.
That is the only way you can allow yourself to breath in a community that is filled with so much knowledge and experience where newbies knowledge seems to be a waste of time for the older members.

@op, is is often said that to exist in a forum like this, you have to develop a think skin, and this means, you don't have to pay attention to every thing a person have say, obviously, every one gets attacked here and there, even the top ranks attack each other from time to time, you can confirm this from the reputation board, so, it's not a matter of top ranks attacking newbies, but rather, it's all about the fact that a user attacking another user on this forum seem to be a normal thing, and the best way to overcome this is to count it as nothing when ever it happens, if any user attacks you, give a reply if the user deserve it, but if he or she doesn't, just ignore and give your attention to more important things that matter to you, with time, as you advance and get more used to the forum, rest assured the attack will reduce until it's almost like it's totally gone.

Best of luck growing and learning here.

These days it is difficult to know genuine, common newbies who are caught and involved in acts of lies and forgery from fake newbies aka Alt, with several cases occurring here, so it has an impact on beginners who are truly genuine and want to get to know and learn on this forum, but you could say there are very few genuine beginners, mostly Alt beginners.

Basically the members here are friendly and kind, they will teach everything a beginner wants to know, the point is don't lie, if you lie of course don't blame the members here for acting out of bounds, and there is no tolerance for being caught lying, the problem is to be honest and show that you really are a true beginner, not an Alt full of lies.

Lying to other members, means you are lying to yourself, remember no matter how good a squirrel jumps, sometimes it will fall, love beginners who are really beginners.

Its part for the newbies where to start in the community all of the things they read are too vague to them, the jargon might be hard to understand but sooner or later they will adopt these things if they are really willing to learn. This community has a lot of knowledge and information they can use and gather with their taking paths. Sometimes newbies get judge base on their actions, and other members notice already whats the objective of the newbie here to contribute or just to make spam. To newbies don't get discouraged if you want to learn more. If you are not comfortable you can use your local so people around you will easily accommodate your problems.

Actually feel the same way too when I was a newbie and still have a lot of questions too. But the mere fact that I ranked up means I overcome the harsh environment of criticism. Well its not good but there are always been some users to toy with newbies, as if they should already know whats to be answer. But believe me, its better this way so every newbie can have courage to improve more. But as a users experienced those, Id say I'll be gentle to real newbies.

Thank you @cryptoaddictchie for your brief view over this, usually I know such a place is highly a competitive place where someone needs to be of a great standard but even as that we don't have to dispute the facts that we need gentleness and not being too hash to the people because some people may not have that power to stand whatever pressure or arguments that may arise within the next people whom they claims to be the best, and of a true with carefulness what became so hard could be very lightly and easy to understand even though it's said that no one is kept here to tutor each other rather than someone seating down to understand how the system works.

Its a mixed ecosystem of harsh, nice, rude, mean, kind and any other approach of users here. Dont expect it to be light place. Yes english is quite important too as you need to converse and must be understood by other users as well. But theres always local section for your own native language. Newbies are often degrade here but its fine everybody experience it anyway as long as you can resist some negative criticism no problem mate.

I think there were just some newbies that weren't doing enough here, I think they weren't really getting attacked like actually bullying newbies, if that is what you're talking about you could probably give some example of that so that we could see it and discuss about it, you could quote that example on your topic. What I think is happening is they were just getting corrected by higher members here who already know how the forums work, I think it's kind of natural for some members to have comments especially if they are seeing something unusual to them.

I know we are all once a newbie, and probably made some mistakes as well when we were just getting started, but if you are doing things wrong, like for example, you are spamming, there will be members that are going to call you out for that, that just means that as a newbie you're not doing enough because you're not reading enough and following the rules. As a newbie, it's obviously your responsibility as well to follow, read the rules, etc. I mean they could easily take that as an encouragement, or probably just teaching newbies, I don't really see members here bullying but just telling them that they are wrong. I don't see any problem with that, if someone corrected you then you should probably take it as a good thing, then learn it again so that the next time you already know what you are saying.

I must say that I expected some quite different content in this thread based on OP's subject. You could say OP uses a metaphor. All I can say to this is, a metaphor is a bad thread subject, is likely misleading and doesn't help to search content in a large forum like this.

Newbie equals poor? How on earth do you come to such a notion?!


How about showing some proof of your accusations? Show your spots you've read which led you to create this thread!


I probably stumbled over some threads opened by newbies or even other ranks where replies weren't all very welcoming. There may have been a reason for harshness but this has to be judged on particular instances. I can't remember senior ranks popping up regularly with groundless offensive behavior.

I'm also sometimes annoyed by users who ask questions that probably have been answered who-knows-how-many times. I don't care if it's a newbie (likely happens more often with those) or some other rank. It's a "serve me" mentality that's not helping in large forums. It leads to defragmentation and multiple occurences of information that plays out overwhelming when you try to actually search information here. Ever wondered why you get such vast hits count when you search? Efficient searching is something you need to learn and practice.

And some people are even that lazy to ask for help to pull their finger out of their nose while picking it...

I try as often as possible not to get annoyed and rant at those. Doesn't work always, I admit that. I could find more examples what bugs me, but don't see a point to exaggerate it.

I tell myself to grow a thicker skin and be always alerted when I feel the urge to rant or feel offended or annoyed. In most cases I can ignore to reply at all (don't feed the trolls mantra) and if I'm really annoyed, it helps to sleep over it. The urge usually vanishes and/or isn't worth it. If not, I can still reply and declare flame war.

Op actually your point out some facts but the issue is two sided there is difference between reporting a poster to moderator and commenting for a poster to learn and get correction because if everyone keeps silent on a post that is wrong the posters can't learn the problem of human be is perception and many hating correction, as newbie first one need observed any environment you found yourself learn the way things are been done rule and regulations are in the forum everyone can't learn at the same paste very correct but without letting the newbie going wrong who is not learning as others know he may end up learning nothing, how you perceived corrections most time make it hard for us to learn and grow.

I may not have learn all it takes in the forum because learning ended in grave but when I enter here I was reading people post and some pin post and link, I discovered that creating a topic is not mandatory but good comment can usher you all you need if it's reward or merit that makes many newbie rush in writing shit post and all manner of things that go contrary to the forum rules I may only advice any newbie to first learn and give attention to detail before commenting or posting not withstanding see correction as tool for growth or else remain unimproved and static in the forum.

I understand where this is coming and you did have a point, some members on this forum do take things too far at times but here is a truth that you should know too.

Some newbies deserve it, they are so annoying that they will keep making the same mistake over and over, there was one who had like 25 activities on his account and every post was related to the same point, all he or she did was repeat it over and over, meanwhile the owner already gotten answered many times already.

If you know someone who behaves like this what will you do? This is just one of few that I have seen on this forum, even I who was also a victim of harshness on this forum had to talk back to that account owner.

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Even if you are a victim of what you claimed, it is not the end of the world, you don't have to pay attention, it could hurt, but learn from the mistakes that they are trying to correct, and adjust, this was how I made it this far on the forum, sometimes to grow we need to be handled this way, I won't do the same on someone else but I will surely correct the wrongs if they will listen it's up to them.

If you are not ready to be criticized, then it’s just better you don’t post here. If you are a beginner and you ask a question and you are being attacked, as long as you are getting the answer to your question, you shouldn’t feel bad as long as you have gotten what you need. The forum is a public place, and anyone can respond to you however they like. Some people might sound aggressive, but that shouldn’t be your problem, you should be focused on what you want to learn.

Telling a newbie that he or she posted on the wrong board is a correction, so that next time the person will check what he or she is posting and will know the appropriate board to post on. If everyone keeps quiet and everyone is allowed to do what they want, do you think the forum will be functional like it is currently? You complained about lack of English or poor English, if you are posting on the forum here and people don’t understand what you are talking about, how will they be able to respond to you? Nobody is asking anyone to speak fluent English, but you should be able to communicate in a way that everyone will understand you. If you can’t speak English, then you can just visit your local board, where you will be able to communicate in your local language.

I think the op has a point but your approach is wrong. You have to learn how to transfer information without being rude to your target.

Sometimes people assume that many newbie accounts are not really new members or that such posts are made to fish merit so they become exposed to attacks and criticism. But some of us also fail to understand that in the process of these attacks, some real newbies who truly needed to be guided become victims. We might be irritated by the repetitive questions or posts that they make but we will keep seeing these questions in the Beginners and Help section as much as new people are still registering.

As for me, I have decided not to be harsh to anybody even if I am not comfortable with his post because you might be attacking a newbie who needs help. But newbies who have failed to learn and keep asking irrelevant questions need to be cautioned to avoid spamming. Others that have bad intentions like scamming, shilling, and others should be rebuked without mercy.

I can not go back in fishing out related thread like this and also ones that hi higher forum members has bashed on the newbies because of their unlearned posting styles here in the forum, that is to say I got you rightly Op but remember some newbies can actually be ignorant and refusal to adapting to the forum expectations of its users to be sensibly creative with their posts including following the forum policies and not one of the social medias where everyone has their rights to just act and posts whatever they chooses.

So I don't see any wrong about it If a junior memeber is told that the post is not in the right board and I have not come across such corrections being told in a hash manner maybe you can provide us link to such because whatever learned member of such categories does not seem so learned to me know quite well the beginning point and the professional points in the forum.

As much as I know learning is a gradual process and can not be comprehend. Right about it we can even find some high ranked memebers with disappointed post ought not to come from such ranked memebers so, everyone is liable to make mistakes.

Talking about mocking and bashing memebers who does not have their English on accordance,  we should be aware that English is not a language that a must speak so it could be a borrowed one to some persons in as it may affect some forum memebers to be fluent with it.

From your write-up, I can see you are speaking out of anger. Someone might have attacked you in a way that you don't like, or something triggered that. Judging from your words, I bet when you have the opportunity to be in the position of some of the members you are calling out, you might even do much worse than them because you aren't calm in your words. They don't sound like someone who is trying to pass a message to others. It's as if you are ready to fight back against anyone who is attacking you if you are given the opportunity.

The forum's senior members are friendly enough to help newbies. But if you make stupid spam, sometimes a few members will attack, but it does happen very rarely. We don't have a business with newbies and no reason to attack them. It's not necessary to make quality posts by newbies. But posts like "send me some merits" are hated by other users. You have to be legit users of the forum, not just bounty spammers. I don't support newbie attacks anyway. But just don't be stupid. Try to learn from this and contribute.

Yes, buddy, you made some good points in this post we all were once in the newbie phase and there is no doubt we all made little mistakes and these mistakes groom our knowledge so that we can learn from the mistakes we have in the past. If one keeps doing those mistakes that he/she already had done in the past then there will be no difference between the current time and the time he/she used to make shit posts.

So in my opinion one should learn from his/her mistakes and there is no doubt that one can ask any kind of newbie question here on this form and his newbie questions are welcomed by other members to guide him. But if one is trying/acting like a newbie and asking shit questions then there is no doubt he/she will be trolled by the senior members as they are masters of these things like who is a newbie and who is acting like a newbie.

Even offspring born of the same parents can’t be of the same character, so you won’t expect everybody in a public forum like this to be of the same character. Genuinely it is advisable to be nice to newbies because everyone was once a newbie. But also as a newbie you can’t just come to a forum and start engaging in activities without reading the guidelines that govern such forum, so newbies enable to make research, ask questions, have mentor you talk to about issues you finding difficult.

Being new in a place not just forum but even environment comes with a lot of difficulties, challenges and lot more. Then it left for you to adapt and make use of your skills so you can benefit from such forum or environment. Please and please if you are a high Ranking member in the forum try to encourage the newbies by using the right words and right correction method so it will encourage them to be active in the forum and could share their skills. Using the wrong words on them will only discourage them and could even give them wrong image about bitcointalk as a whole.