Topic: Does this thread really deserve the attention it has got? - page 3. (Read 3248 times)

I mean, I agree with the premise that it is better for a source to drop 50 merits on a single post than to only drop 1 if the other 49 would otherwise go to waste. It keeps merit flowing and gives that user sMerits of their own to distribute. But it definitely has the potential to cause drama, as this thread proves. This isn't the first time people have complained about a post receiving more merit than they agree with, and it won't be the last.

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So my most recent report for plagiarism has been marked as good, and the thread has been trashed, but according to modlog the user still hasn't been banned. Given the ban evasion as well, I would have thought this is a cut-and-dry case?

I agree with you on this point. TMAN is a good source, not only because he helped me but also what he did for the other good posters in the community. Being a source is kind of official task and somehow it puts pressure to finish works as sources.

If we look positively on what TMAN has done, we might agree with him on this approach, only because his lack of time and his past right decisions to dump merits on very good posters. I have not observed TMAN but occassionally when I saw him gave away 20 - 30 - 50 merits to the others, all of them deserve those merit dumps.

The latest one, that resulted in the drama is TMAN dumped merits on the bad OP, and it is a root cause. No one at their first glance, spending time to look at post history of OP, they simply and only look at the bad OP's contents and the 50-merit transaction.

Gettting merit dumps are always much happy, I know. I remembered the first time I got 14 merits dumped by actmyname in 2018, it's my sweet memory. Who have not yet experienced such dumps are jealous with the others (please don't deny that). But to be honest, with or without such merit dumps (from TMAN or the others), I am going to rank up, obviously.

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In a summary, I suggest that if sources are lack of time to scan the forum and find good posts to dump merits; they should choose at least a good poster, scan post history of that one, then dump merits (10, 20, 50, it depends) on one of good posts of that one. It will not cause any drama, I believe.

Drama causes some users withdrawn their roles as sources (at least Vod). Have you ever imagined TMAN's source-withdrawal will be good for the forum? Being a source is a silent work, without payment and you guys ask for too much, IMO.

I support your opinion ...
We usually say this: Who the fuck is someone else's grief?

OP, you could just be happy for him and not write this dumb post.

sweet! that was my plan in the 1st place obviously (cough) TMAN wins in the end!

You're missing the juicy parts from this, this topic is exactly what I needed to read after 5 days of doing nightshifts and barely been able to read the forum...
When you read the first post by the OP, you go to see his trust flag and you get this:


You SIR, have done a marvelous job for the forum...

Not just has a new method of farming merits been uncovered, a ring of spammers and plagiarists exposed, you've bought quickie and Lauda together but also if you feel any regret for the merit spent, don't...cause this marvelous topic has awarded more than 60 merits to the ones tearing this scheme apart.

Besides, you've got 3 merits back from devil and the other soon to be banned plagiarist 

It would appear that The-Devil was attempting to farm merit... either by using an alt account or a "friend" to post some sort of question in B&H which The-Devil had a pre-written answer for.

As per the timestamps in the screenshots here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53538254

You can see the time between the original question being asked, and the answer being posted was measured in seconds. Maybe 1.5 minutes for the first 2 posts. So, The-Devil was either frantically F5'ing in the board... spotted the question, then hammered out an answer like a madman... OR he knew the post was about to be made and already had an answer for it.

It seemed to garner a few merits from people... and then TMAN really drew attention to it all by dropping 50 merits on the guy.

As to whether or not the accusation is correct, it's hard to be 100% certain... but if you look at the post history, then it's fairly clear that the typical posts this user was making are of the "Yes I agree with [idea posted in OP]. I think that [idea in OP] is due to [related thing]. [related thing] is the cause of [idea in OP]. I also like [related thing]"-type posts

For them to have seen the post, read it and then created, typed and posted such thoughtful answers in 90 seconds is a bit of stretch.

Ah, plagiarism. This probably explaisn why Bitcoin SV decided to leave positive trust for this user then 

Hmmm can we believe someone that deliberately tries to deceive people that he wants to buy things from HIMSELF (got his pal to auction them) in an auction because he would get such a great DEAL but shame he has too many already??  deception for clear financial gain = scamming.

Or someone involved with LAUDA in extorting people then claiming it was all under cover agents?? yeeeeeeeeeeehhhh right
Or supporting nutildah who admits he will facilitate scamming others for 0.3 btc then try to delete the evidence??

Sometimes enough is enough of this kind of scamming and gaming of this forum.

The post in question is net negative garbage for the aforementioned reasons that nobody can dispute it should not have 1 single merit, I don't buy this WE DONT HAVE TIME to give merit out to deserving posts LOL well why be a merit source then?? so we want to be a merit source but simply do not have the time to bother with it really....bullshit.

This alt will be in the CIRCLE of those that would have been used to keep them on DT whilst they push their double standards on everyone else with impunity.

Good to notice nobody can debunk any of the points we raised earlier ESPECIALLY tmans THREAT to use merit as a punishment tool now by stating he will with hold it from the member bringing this IMPORTANT incidence to light. Punishment for speaking the truth is total proof the  merits system is crushing free speech. Like anyone was not really aware LOL, thats without it being used to leverage the STICK of trust (abuse) also.

Wow Calm down here Sherlock, I'm not connected to anyone here, admittedly I may of fucked up being a lazy cunt with the merits but fork you sir if you think I have any connection to any other account here - I dont have time for forking alts dude. Surely you know that by now

I have three "unhandled" reports against this user for plagiarism. The oldest one is from December 17th, and is for the post you have linked to. The most recent one is from today, and is for this post which is plagiarized from this CoinTelegraph article (from the word "secretly" onwards").

It's pretty obvious that this isn't a case of a "mistaken quote" or simply "forgetting to include the link", and he's trying to farm merit for his signature campaign. I'm not sure why he isn't being banned.

I sort of agree with you here, though I don't think I've ever handed out lumps of merit based on a member's overall post quality.  Maybe once or twice if I was being really lazy, but generally I'll go through the post history and hand out merits for each individual post.

In any case, it looks like The-Devil got himself in some hot water with a few DT members and I'm still trying to figure out why (I haven't read this and the other thread in their entirety yet).  One of the obvious drawbacks to giving a lot of merit that's supposed to be for overall good posting is that it'll get questioned, as it did in this case.  That post linked to in the OP didn't deserve 50 merits IMO, but I see where TMAN was coming from.

WTH?



Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-to-prevent-from-scams-5210409
Archived: http://archive.is/VIYcq

Whole thread seems paraphrased, for example this part:






(The same source). I won't bother to check other parts of thread, this part indicated that user is using their own words:


I'll invite them here, there are too many coincidences in this thread.

Why are you posting a typing test? I thought the posts you received merit for answering questions from other newbies were the result of text spinning. I would say this more or less shows with certainty that you knew about the posts you were responding to ahead of time.

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@eddie13- i am still trying to figure out how to best run certain tests to confirm who this person is. He has posted what looks like an indication of having a gambling problem. If you look in investigations, you might be able to follow a link to find someone else with an apparent gambling problem who is somewhat close to TMAN. Other people who are close to the person I suspect this to be have also sent merit.

Being that other suspicious newbies have sent this person merit, I suspect this to be more than a one off situation.

I would question why suchmoon, who likes to spy on forum members didn’t previously catch any of this. Perhaps because someone who is powerful enough for her to not want to upset is involved.  

Fixed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1208

Are you losing interest because this is yet another account that has been exposed or something else? What is your goal or agenda on the forum because this exposure probably changes very little. You can still post and contribute here with or with the feedback or merit.


What are your good points? It seems that any 'good' you may have done here was done so just to try fish for merits.


Well it's pretty obvious: to discuss whether the post in question deserves all the merit it received. Lots of people create threads for merit abuse or threads that cause alarm by receiving a lot of merit and 50 merit for relatively insignificant post definitely rings alarms. 


Agreed. A negative rating without a flag isn't even the end of the world here now like it used to be. I'm sure there are plenty of campaigns that will still accept you, or maybe just stick around and try to prove your worth and change people's minds about you.

No.

Frankly, you care too much about an Internet rating... These feedbacks haven't hindered your ability to post on the forum! You can still contribute to any board you feel like contributing... If I were you I would move on... Keep learning and contributing maybe over time you can prove us wrong... That's your only hope with this account...

Frankly, I'm losing interest now. I feel like I quit everything now. I'm saying this with frustration. Everyone is just looking at my faults. No one is pointing out my good points. Did I do anything good for this forum? Has no one benefited from me? Everyone's behavior looks like I've committed a heinous crime.

Dear @Nandini_crypto Why did you create this topic? Today my account has been converted to hell. Everyone thinks I'm guilty. Why you are off now? please say something.

The issue now isn't really who has given you merits and for what. It's the abuse that has been spotted after attention has been drawn to you. I don't really think there is anything you can do ultimately to prove it other than try make a strong argument as to why you're innocent, but the evidence presented looks very damning in my opinion. Sure, it could just be a coincidence or some other shenanigans going on, but I really doubt you're not related to those accounts in some fashion. There's just too many coincidences for me. Your account is barely a month old so it's not the end of the world as much as you might be annoyed that all that merit has gone to waste so if you can't resolve this then I'd just create another account and try again.

So how do I prove? Can you give me any suggestions?

No one is trying to understand. I did not ask anyone to give merit in my post. If someone gives merit my post then I have nothing to do here. What's my fault here? It is only because of this merit that everyone is now finding my personal fault and sharing it here publicly. Which is very sad for me. I also have to digest the negative feedback for this little issue. It seems to me that now everyone will see and read these posts and then leave me with negative feedback.

I understand my account has been destroyed. I can't prove myself in any way. This is my failure.

Whilst I think there is a definite issue regarding lack of sources and merit sent I don't think that means you need to give all the merit away to anyone regardless of it going to waste or not. That post in the op really doesn't deserve any merit in my opinion. At most maybe one as a congratulations but I wouldn't give it anything, though I see several others disagree. These sorts of look at me I ranked up threads threads are dime a dozen and will only become more prolific once people see they get merited.


I don't agree with giving 50 merit away just for the sake of it. I can understand maybe bumping up a very worthy post from 10 merits to 50 if they're going to go to waste but not a post that arguably only deserves one at most (and as I said I don't think these self-congratulatory ranking up threads deserve anything at all in the first place). Giving away merits recklessly like this is obviously going to lead to shenanigans like this but hopefully they'll be in the minority.


This doesn't really prove anything other than you can type. There's a huge difference between following a typing test and coming up with something from scratch that requires actual thought and the evidence provided by several people looks pretty damning regardless of how fast you can type.


The-Devil fucked up.


Fake newbies are users that sign up and pretend or appear to be a brand new user to the forum, when in reality they've got another main account or more and have likely been a member for a very long time. It's often easy to spot because the users seem to have a pre-existing knowledge of certain forum-related things.