Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 201. (Read 734937 times)

Oh, as opposed to "have civilians who are rebels and wish to secede?" When you say "captured by," it sounds like the rebels are imposing what they want on the villages who may not even be interested in this fight. Kind of like how Muslim extremist rebels tend to capture villages in the Middle East.


What makes you think that? What exactly makes you trust the media from other countries, more than the media of the country actually being attacked?

russian soldiers captured by ukrainian army on ukrainian soil 20km from the border:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxY50GLxoP0

Thank you for providing further evidence of the not-so-nice Russian mentality.

When we have no idea who to trust, and all news sources are potentially lying, we simply take a step back and look at the behaviour and overall mentality of the different parties.


Did they manage to feed any starving Ukrainians? I guess not.

Just received this thoughts about convoy:


It's obvious for any reasonable person that there is no need for any weapon supplies, because there are enough soviet weapons. But they need a fuel.

with you it is not at all something to talk about, lie in the morning, noon, evening, and of course someone says the truth is either a troll or a psychiatric hospital, we know we know this strategy, Russia-pain in the ass of the world

Greeks Fighting Alongside Donetsk People’s Republic Militia - Reports
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140827/192384386/Greeks-Fighting-Alongside-Donetsk-Peoples-Republic-Militia--.html

Watch, as I dismantle your half-baked nonsense.


Where is this simple analysis, then? Show us, don't tell us.

My simple analysis says that Russia is in a bad situation. They are highly reliant on gas exports, and they just buy everything they need from the EU or Asia. Meanwhile, Europe is developing shale gas and other alternative energy sources, and that's putting pressure on Russia's energy dominance in the region.
Russia's GDP: 2 billion
EU's GDP: 14 billion
need I say more?

Got any names?

In case you hadn't noticed, 2014 saw a sudden, massive increase in the number of threads like this one: 100s of pages long, mostly defending Putain and attacking Ukraine, apparently 8 hours a day, Monday to Friday. It took a while for a few people to start responding and calling them out on their Pro-USSR imperialist bullshit.


Who's quoting the Guardian? In case you haven't noticed, the links people provide are mostly either .RU or independent blogs. The Kremlin recently passed some anti-blog laws to clamp down on independent news sources from within their country. They've been trying to control their media for years, but some people still listen to RT & co as if they're somehow neutral. It's like religiously watching Fox just because of that one time where they let slip that Osama Bin Laden had been dead since 2002.



Wow. Dem good drugs?

If he is regular West-Ukrainian living in Ukraine, then he might just be brainwashed by the media there. I watched a selection Ukrainian TV for an hour, and, well, Goebbels is an innocent child by comparison. What is happening in MSM in Ukraine can be describes as a full-scale social-control experiment at a state level.

If he is not, then he is an accessory to the atrocities committed in Ukraine though his targeted spreading of disinformation. I am leaning towards the second.

On the contrary, he's one who sees things clearly.

gmat, might be another one deployed troll, candidate for the global ignore list.

you're sick, you're brainwashed brain

Thanks, Pagan! This video is very good.
That woman in press conference (she is protecting rights of people and especially of Russian soldiers) is a hope.. little, but still a hope that she could initialize a parents' movement in Russia to stop sending Russian regular army to Ukraine.

This war isn't needed for Ukrainians, also not for those who live in Donetsk or Lugansk and not for average people of Russia. In short term it is needed for Putin, but in longer term - for other countries who will sell weapons to Ukraine and will take part in infrastructure and development projects of ruined parts of Eastern Europa.

According to Militarymaps.info, the Ukrainian army has lost control over 95% of the Southern half of Donetsk oblast. Even some of the neighboring villages in the Zaporizhia oblast are under the threat of capture by the rebels.

http://militarymaps.info/

Only the port city of Mariupol and some of the adjoining towns and villages are currently under Kiev control.

Latest status map from Kot-Ivanov:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kot_ivanov/71733898/25439/25439_original.jpg

Once a Mongolian empire, always a Mongolian empire...  




   What the fuck did I just read? Putin is a frikin socialist oligarch dictator. He is the exact opposite of what bitcoin stands for and supports. Unless you think Bitcoin is intended to turn the world into USSR or something.

P.S. I'm not a paid troll or whatever. I am actually Ukrainian, and I have friends who live in Ukraine, both Kiev and Lviv, including ones that were helping on Maidan. My childhood best friend and his three colleagues were providing Maidan with free internet and wifi, so he saw the protests beginning to end (including where one of his colleagues was shot and killed). My other friend lives and does business in Kiev, and her mom, retired, supported Maidan protesters by taking food and water to them. So I don't get my news from CNN, or RT, or whatever. I get it directly from the people who were there. And having lived in Soviet Union, before it split apart, I know exactly what kind of country Russia is.

Overview of the Situation in the Donbass Region – August 24, 2014

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/26/overview-of-the-situation-in-the-donbass-august-24/

snip:


The Fighting in the Coastal Area

Even recently, it might have seemed laughable, but today the fighting has begun in the area of Novoazovsk, where a powerful anti-aircraft defense node and a hodgepodge of different units of questionable combat capability have been stationed since April to cover the border with Russia. After the Southern Encirclement 2.0 was created, the Militiamen began to probe the other checkpoints to the south-west of Marinovka, and were surprised to find out that there are almost no defenses. All the forces were drawn up to the main front line, creating a gap to the south of Amvrosievka, which was only partially covered with the covering forces. At first, the Militia’s saboteur-reconnaisance groups (“SRG”) began to infiltrate to the south-west, which has led to the capture of the “Uspenka” border checkpoint. After that, the Militia broke-out to the coast, as there were no serious forces of the Junta. As a result, several SRGs moved almost to Novoazovsk and the towns of Holodnoe and Sedovo, firing and attacking some checkpoints.

The Militia obviously doesn’t have enough forces there to seize and hold the towns (let alone capturing Novoazovsk or Mariupol); but judging by the reports that a bomb shelter has been opened in Mariupol, the command of the Junta in this area lost their nerve. It is not only that the gap along the border continues to expand, there is also a threat (even if remote for now) to Novoazovsk and Mariupol; as there are few Junta’s forces there, and nobody knows what can appear from across the border. Moreover, the gap in the front, to the south of Amvrosievka, also does not seem optimistic. In general, what is happening now is not yet an offensive with definite goals, but just a distracting raid in the rear of the enemy, which turned out to be an unpleasant surprise for the Junta. To be honest, very few people expected the fighting on the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov to start so soon. In general, the trend is favorable for us.


More at link.

BTW, there's a CIA tactic to insert sleeper trolls in forums to moderate and control the narratives. BItcointalk is priority being a financial one and financial control is the game of their masters. So don't be fooled by longstanding members, or that they are seniors. It only means they were inserted right from the start. They are just being reactivated for targeted events, like this. THey are now desperate, going for broke so apparently they reactivated 5 (I just started reading the back comments but I've been away for a month, I don't know if there are still others, there might be more).


It's funny I discovered a bootleg of this forum (bitcointa.lk) & it's number one in the Google search. So since Google is theirs, this one is a decoy to waylay this forum. The dark forces are targeting this forum so bad because it is effective.

I already found the East Ukraine drama tedious because a simple analysis would show Putin holds all the cards while the bankrupt EU & US are withering economically & politically from within so I stayed away from this forum for about a month, so imagine my surprise upon my return when I discovered there are already 4-5 paid trolls from the dark forces (at least the old one Hologram was not hysterical but these new ones are dirty-mouths). The desperation is now really obvious. NOt only have they increased their mercenaries but the tirades are now filled with vitriol and are cluttering the forum. The trademarks of their game are all over:  usual CIA tactic of presuming to incite anger & the usual narrative about WEstern democracy, etc.

Unfortunately, people come here to look for news on the battles. The usual disinformation won't work. We can see the patterns of these diatribes everywhere in the WEstern space- (same tactic used in social advocacy political battles, just giving you a clue who is behind these groups, because now we know the political battles in the WEst is a sham because they are controlled, Left and Right, by the same group. Just look at the press: when the conservative press was used by the Anglo-American shadow players for the neocon wars, they lost credibility so now they are using- voila, the Left press including the last reserve, Guardian, just becoming obvious that all the players, left or right, belong to the same ilk. It also means, now that they are using all their guns in the open, that they are DESPERATE so they are going for broke.

They should be. Their tactic won't work because the people in the WEst themselves are angry. They know they are being played at by the powers above them The EU people have shown in the recent EU elections they don't buy the propaganda this time. One of 5 American child is in poverty, 47 million receive welfare, etc. Would they be tricked about parables of democracy? No, all the American major national newspapers are tottering into bankruptcy, only 25% of American people polled believe in what they read, etc. Americans know they are under a fascist regime. It's hard to believe that anybody not paid would write in Comment sections day in , day out just to support the cancer which has destroyed the WEst.

So the dark forces are using tired methods which won't work, Simply because their methods are the ones being used by Reality on them. The reality of economic implosion and increasing fascism.

So Putin comes as a breath of fresh air. The hero. Not perfect but he beats all the pretentious villains from the WEst.

The new poor of the WEst are chanting that the wisdom of Putin will exorcise the demons which has destroyed the WEst. The maneuvers of Putin will accelerate the collapse of the now desperate, floundering Anglo-American empire. It will soon end, thankfully. We know who thank for, the catalyst of the birth of a new world.

Video Shows Column of Russian Vehicles, Manned By Chechen Fighters, On Ukraine's Border
In the video below, an enormous column of Russian military vehicles is seen in an unidentified location. The dialogue suggests that they are waiting to enter Ukraine. We have not yet been able to geolocate the video, but we note that there is a column of smoke visible at around 24 seconds in.
The men speaking in the video identify themselves as Chechens.
Amongst the vast quantities of military hardware seen are T-90 tanks, MT-LB armoured personnel carriers and 2S19 Msta self-propelled artillery.
The men are speaking in Chechen, however the uploader has provided a Russian translation in the closed captions of the video. We are currently attempting to verify the Chechen-language content of the video.
We have, however, made a translation of the Russian closed captions:
[Cameraman]:These guys are going to go on the attack to bring out those who have been left inside.
This whole host is going in to bring out all the dead and wounded.
You can't see the beginning and you can't see the end [of the column]. Yes, invisible.
We're ready to go in.
Allahu akbar...
Everything is in the hands of the Almighty. We will try to return home. And if we do not return forgive us. We are full of courage to go forward.
Allahu akbar...
These are Chechen lads here too.
These tankers are Chechens.
[Tank crewman]: The war is underway, we'll make the Ukrainians shit themselves.
And all these guys are ready to cross the Terek.
And we will rip apart those fascists.
Protect us Almighty from all evil.
[Cameraman]:Allahu akbar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCP8qvoYtU

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-190-russian-paratroopers-captured-in-ukraine/#3971

History repeats itself. The same type of scum

18+ Graphic: Defeat of the Ukrainian 25th Brigade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSBo1AUGO8Y&feature=youtu.be

This is the same brigade that gave heavily tortured PoW's with all their bones broken back to the rebels.

In response to that, Strelkov issued an order that no officers of the 25th brigade were to be taken alive.

In other words, Karma is a bitch 

The rebels have given an ultimatum to the Ukrainian soldiers trapped in three of the pockets to surrender. These pockets (Elenovka, Amvrosievka, and Lutugino) are believed to contain some 7,000 Kiev soldiers. The ultimatum will expire in less than 60 minutes from now.

Meanwhile, the rebels are still fighting for the city of Novo Azovsk. The city center is still under Kiev control, along with a border post to the east of it.