Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 217. (Read 734937 times)

September?
The army has entered Luhansk There are numerous reports of the rebels changing their clothes to civil ones in Donetsk.
Fewer and fewer of those are seen wearing suits and only people dressed in civilians are guarding the posts.

Numerous rumors of a possible "evacuation" or better said them fleeing after August the 17-18.

Updates from today.

Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 8 min.
BREAKING REPORTS #Novosvitlivka has been recaptured by the #NAF - big defeat for #Ukraine army if this is true.Also opens way for #AidConvoy


Steiner ‏@Steiner1776 8 min.
#Zaharchenko: We do not have time to capture all the #Ukraine vehicles. Yesterday 75 units dragged and more than 100 waiting in the fields.


Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 13 min.
REPORTS of guerrilla warfare being launched at #KrasnyLiman by #NAF against #Ukraine troops there. Probably Motorolla unit.


Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 12 min.
REPORT NAF claim hundreds of APCs and fighting veh formerly belonging to #Ukraine army sitting abandoned in fields.Too many to man. #cdnpoli

Christopher Miller ‏@ChristopherJM 42 min.
Lots of rebel movement along hwy from Donetsk-Snezhnoe. Dozens of trucks, 9 tanks, 4 APCs, 1 BTR, scores of fighters. They control the road.


Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 11 min.
Although NOBODY is talking about it,there is a massive battle raging around the #KrasnyLuch front today - may be decisive. #cdnpoli #Ukraine

A summary of the Situation in embattled Novorussia

Transcript: A Summary of the Situation in the Embattled Novorossiya

Translated from Russian by Alan and Alya Bailey / Edited by Olga L. and Gleb Bazov

Alexey Mozgovoy: The peaceful population is being eliminated using missiles. These actions make the civilian population leave their homes. So, generally speaking, Kiev does not need the population; it is irrelevant in the area where they plan to conduct fracking.

There’s already a drilling rig in Slavyansk and it’s starting its work. The equipment for building the rigs has already been delivered to a little settlement near Slavyansk. So what use is there for the population? It’s not needed there. The complete elimination of the population is being covered up by the so-called ATO.

All types of weapons that the other side has in its arsenal are being used without any remorse. The weapons have to be checked – and they are being checked. Some missile launchers SAU, American ones, have been brought from Poland and they are being used in full. There are lots of mercenaries from different armies who have worked in other countries – in Syria, Libya, Lebanon. They are there, on the other side now and they are having fun.

What’s more: some “hot spot tourists’ have been allowed to shoot from a tank or use other type of artillery. So people come, pay money and they can shoot – it’s like a safari. What they shoot at – only God knows. So somebody makes money on these tourists shooting, destroying towns, killing peaceful people.

The presence of covert agents among the rebels is a fact because we often have to deal with betrayal. Things often happen, which are not supposed to happen. This is obviously the result of certain work of agents. They brainwash our guys. Thankfully we have the right kind of people who stand up against it. From time to time we find those agents who work in favour of Kiev. And we punish them.

As for the September end of the ATO, I believe they are mistaken like they are mistaken about many things. For instance they claim to have «disposed of» our squadron several times but in fact it has grown into a brigade now. That’s some «disposal»! So I am pretty sure they are mistaken about September. They will not celebrate their victory in September.

In the nearest months the things are going to be the same as they are now. But we are learning to fight too, we change our tactics. I think it is all going to last more than a month. Firstly we will not let them kill us so fast, secondly we will fulfill some other plans; we will start attacking and not just defending ourselves.

I can neither compel nor prohibit people from becoming volunteers and fighting with us. It has to be voluntary. But if a person wishes to join our ranks, he can do so at any time. If he does not want it – it’s his choice.

If a person wishes to help us in any other way – not necessarily with money, say to send us some food – it’s his choice. I can ask for help and I have to do it to support the Militia and also the peaceful population which shouldn’t suffer from being caught between the two armies. They should live like they lived before with minimal changes.

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/15/summary-of-novorossia/

UN does not confirm Ukrainian claims that Russian military hardware crossed into Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1383252?utm_medium=rss20

And again to contradict bryan's map the ukrainean forces have entered Zhdanivka.
Don't know how that was possible but here is the pic:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvJqqiNIgAExQqt.jpg

Also battles in Mospyne... how the hell it is possible when the ukr troops were supposed to be encircled tens of km from those towns.

You have to be joking...But no , seems like the report is true.

The trucks are not full because their are a piece of garbage and can't be loaded with more than 1/4 of their total capacity.
And those are brand new trucks ....

Now really, I laughed at Obama statement that Russia doesn't produce anything but really , what the hell is happening there.
This is the economical power that will rule the world and is unable to make a truck ?

Not going at top speed over a hill...Are you people nuts?

But upon further investigation , I managed to find the flaw..
 Part of trucks equipped with Cummins engine manufacturing joint venture Cummins and KAMAZ in Naberezhnye Chelny.

Soviet Union V2.0

Russia Tries To Explain Why The Aid Trucks Are Empty
"There were also only a limited number of persons accompanying the convoy. An official from the transportation agency that handled the make-up of the convoy had explanations for RIA-Novosti (translated by The Interpreter):
"The KAMAZes were not loaded fully so that there wouldn't be excessive wear on automobiles that were not yet broken in, many of which were of 2014 make. It would mean that in case of a breakdown of the mechanics and a stop on the highway, reloading the cargo by hand to other vehicles completely filled to capacity, would be quite difficult. Moreover, a fully-loaded truck does not go fast enough uphill, so in view of the large number of vehicles, this would have had a heavy impact on the speed of the convoy's movement. And the cargo must be delivered quickly in light of the difficult humanitarian situation in the east of Ukraine."

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-179-russian-build-up-continues-at-border-as-armour-enters-ukraine/#3828

And now the russian do what they know at best , shouting at everybody that they are the nazi enemies
Their last supporter in eu has come in their sight

Hungary’s arms supplies to Kiev violate Budapest’s legal obligations - RF Foreign Ministry
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/745284

Ukrainian troops entered Luhansk. There are fights in the streets now, the source in Ukrainian Armed Forces reports. According to source, the situation is complicated by the fact that terrorists are shooting indiscriminately at residential areas.
"In fact, the Russian-backed terrorists have turned the whole Luhansk in the fortified area. It is not just the militia. Professional mercenaries are fighting on the side of so-called “LNR” (“Luhansk People Republic”) informatory.lg.ua correspondent reports.

http://informator.lg.ua/?p=22161#.U-4_6bOEWfI.facebook

Again you're looking at the wrong map

Khryaschuvate has fallen and the Ukraine army has entered Luhansk which is at the moment completely encircled.

https://twitter.com/tombreadley/status/500534343102889984/photo/1

New cauldrons (pockets) are forming in Novorussia, comprising of trapped Ukrainian soldiers (given in red circles).



These are the possible Cauldrons:

#1. Saur Mogila: Saur Mogila region is under Kiev control. But yesterday, rebels captured KPP Marinovka, cutting the troops from the Miusinsk-Latshevo-Krasnyi Luch pocket. This cauldron will form, if the rebels are able to capture the border post of Uspenka, and the villages of Amrosivka and Blagodatne.

#2. Debaltsevo: Rebels are trying to encircle the Ukrainian troops by advancing from Depreradovka. If they could reach upto Gorlovka, then the Kiev troops will be surrounded.  (Quite unlikely, as the Kiev troops are very strong in that area).

#3. Beloye / Alchevsk: Rebels are advancing North of Pervomaysk and another rebel column is advancing Westwards from Lugansk (towards Zimgorye).

well , being bombed continuously from across the border is not a direct attack of course .

So far, not even the pro-Kiev sources have reported of any instances in which the Ukrainian border guards were attacked from across the border. On the other hand, hundreds of them have sought refuge there, after they were pushed towards Russia by the rebels.

This reminds me some episodes of the Star Trek DS9, I mean role of Romulan Empire in the Dominion vs. Federation conflict. Authorities of the Empire turned a blind eye on violations of its borders by the Dominion forces, this allowed them to attack the Federation in this way.

Not if those rebels come from other side of the border.

And , those places you're naming , are you sure that those are villages in Ukraine?
Its Savur-Mohyla for once and got knows how others are really named.

Besides  , if  Snizhne is captured , if  Krasnyi Luch is also , if the e50 is in Ukrainians hand....that doesn't make the other troops in your previous map encircled anymore

Look at the map. Since Saur-Mogila, Taran, Latshevo and Dmitrovka is under Kiev occupation, there is no way to seize Marinovka unless the rebels control Miusinsk region as well.

Next time i'll show you prof that the urkainean army has conquered tokyo by showing you a flag in kiev.

I have already posted that Amrosivka is under the Kiev control. Miusinsk was recaptured by the rebels a few days ago. An evidence is this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5VcgC5KcTA

Rebels hoisting the flag of Lugansk People's Republic in Marinovka, which is to the south of Miusinsk and on the border with Russia.

Kiev says forces shelled Russian armour inside Ukraine
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/15/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0GF13120140815



Are you sure the target was the "humanitarian" one?

Aid convoy to Ukraine faces disruption, may be attacked - Russia
http://rt.com/news/180664-ukraine-russian-humanitarian-convoy/