Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 223. (Read 734937 times)

Everything is much simpler, just see their coat of arms.

Azov batallion:


I think that even idiot will be able to see "some" parallels with Thule society:



Other batallions and parties are using such symbols as black sun, odal-rune, etc. If somebody prefer to reject obvious things and appeal to arguments like "it's all just a propaganda" then he's very sick and needs a serious treatment.

so many reports of this yet russian media propaganda can't provide a single fact of ukrainian army intentionally targeting civilians and locals. how does that correlate with people of liberated slavyansk and kramatorsk are happy that insanity is over and refugees are returning back home and ukrainian army/government helps to restore infrastructure?

so you equate nazi with right-wing? i think you should read through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics and figure out that it is not as black/white as you paint it. even within right-wing party you can have people with more and less radical views. lets judge people by their deeds? which nazi-moves were done by those you named so far to suppress/destroy population of russians in ukraine?

"Ukrainian army is composed of normal people a lot of them have gone AWOL or defected" proof of that? i only know of small amount of defectors and i have much more knowledge and follow the situation more closely than you(at least judging by your name which does not really sound ukrainian).

"newly formed National Guard and special battalions are exclusively manned by the neo-Nazi members"

you've made a claim now you have to show something to back it up. you're claiming they are exclusively manned by neo-nazi - what is your evidence? i mean i just went to wikipedia about Azov battalion and i read "More than half of the battalion’s members are Russian-speaking eastern Ukrainians." - what kind of nazis are they?

and the main question of all - what nazi ideas are those nazis implementing in ukraine? i'd like to hear specifics.

killing russians? but there are millions of russians safely and happily living in all corners of ukraine

banning russian language? no, everyone can speak it without problem in all corners of ukraine

race filtering? never heard of that happening especially considering lots of members of those battalions are ethnic russians speaking russian language

so what exactly is nazi about situation in ukraine today?

The information about Strelkov's heavy wounding is fake:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1407945980

A punitive battalion managed to invade the village of Novosvetlovka, having fought from Lugansk airport. Heavy tanks were used during battle. Locals report that fighting continues in the centre of the villages, while the punitive battalion started "clean-up" (read: extermination) of the locals. The village is on a strategic route from Russia, and this route was the most probable way to transport the humanitarian aid from Russia:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1407943715

Oleg Carev, Speaker of the union parliament of Novorossia said in an interview the the humanitarian situation is extremely grave and that the need to aid is acute:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1407945639

Uglegorsk has been turned into Hirosima:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1407933937
The city didn't have any freedom fighter strongholds, yet after it was surrounded by Ukrainians it was subjected to massive artillery strikes from Howitzers D-30 and Grad, without giving the civilians a chance to leave. Hundreds of civilian deaths are expected.

Poroshenko is not a Nazi. He is just an oligarch. So is Yatsenyuk. But there are neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian government, such as Oleksandr Sych (Vice Prime Minister), Ihor Shvaika, and Andriy Mokhnyk.  


The regular Ukrainian army is composed of normal people. Most of them are politically neutral and a lot of them have gone AWOL or defected. But the newly formed National Guard and special battalions (such as Azov, Aidar, Dnipro, Donbas, and Svyatyi Mykolai) are exclusively manned by the neo-Nazi members.

"these people" which people? there are very specific claims that i am disputing.

1) ukraine has nazi government - not true because there are no representatives of far-right parties in the government and latest presidential elections have shown that support for such candidates is lower than even in europe and russia

2) ukrainian army is nazi - not true because millions of russians live in every corner of ukraine and are not being repressed in any way, ukrainian army is only trying to clean up eastern part from separatists and terrorists that have taken up weapons and proclaimed it their land, it is those people that are kidnapping and **torturing** people for ukrainian flags or pro-ukrainian political views

what i am **not** disputing is that among all those people participating in protests and joining volunteer battalions of territorial defense units(completely legal under command of ukrainian army) there are *some* nazis. because people with nazi ideology are everywhere even in your home town and if there was war going on in your home town - those guys would line up first to defend their home.

OK.. you seems to let out a lot of garbage from your mouth since you joined this forum 2 weeks ago. Now let me make this clear.

Step 1: Watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKFptM7oOk

Step 2: If you still think that these people have nothing to do with the Nazi ideology, then go and consult a good psychiatrist, or better put a tape over your garbage mouth.

Take please a picture of You salt pocket.

What is happening to people? Everywhere are fights.

all about legality and territorial defense in Ukraine: http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%97_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8

"§16 of Ukrainian constitution forbids use of army against people" which is why army is not used against people, army is used against separatists because IT IS A DUTY OF ARMY TO BE DEFENDING SOVEREIGNTY AND TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF UKRAINE. it's not like somebody said "hey we don't like these people, lets use army to kill them", those people took arms and proclaimed territory of ukraine independent - army and special forces are legally allowed IN EVERY COUNTRY to stop things like that.

"freedom fighters are defending their homes" how does that explain presence of "freedom fighters" coming from russia, osetia, chechnya and even serbia? are they defending their homes in foreign country? if they were actually defending their homes they would just allow journalists to have free access everywhere but so far such free access only has RT and other russian media.

"offered peaceful solution, talks, that was ignored by Kiev" ceasefire was initiated by Kyiv and lasted for 10 days(extended from 7 days). during ceasefire terrorists were firing artillery at ukrainian forces every day. when it became apparent that talks do not lead anywhere ceasefire was halted and russian media went on frenzy about how Kyiv does not want to talk. please inform yourself better next time.

"you are within your human rights to defend it (life)" correct. the point is your life was never threatened before you took up weapons and declared territory independent from ukraine. that is criminal activity and has to be dealt with. and if you know how to use google you'd find how russia deals with such threats to it's sovereignty on example of Grozny - but you'd rather not even look it up right?

"people being taken from their homes, never to be seen again" you're talking about separatists kidnapping people and torturing them (i already linked you story about Rybak) right? show me evidence ukrainian army is doing that and we can discuss it.

"what about forced "conscriptions" on the occupied territories" conscription during national mobilization is normal. if you're avoiding - it is criminal offence. this is normal practice in majority of countries.

"what about filtration" the scary word from russian media propaganda. what about it? where did you see those filtration camps and how many people were filtered already? stop spreading bullshit please..

Show me that law first. By the way, §16 of Ukrainian constitution forbids use of army against people.
It is also rightfully said that army shoots only once at its own nation. The next shot is already fired at a foreign nation. The freedom fighters are defending their homes, their lives against an aggression. They offered peaceful solution, talks, that was ignored by Kiev (Kiev's response was basically: the punitive operation will continue, all shall be exterminated.) When your life is threatened, you are within your human rights to defend it.

As fro doing anything "Nazi". What about witness accounts of people being taken from their homes, never to be seen again, what about forced "conscriptions" on the occupied territories, what about "filtration"? Besides that, Russia is keeping tabs on the transgressions in the White book, that is still being complied.

And while the whole world is watching the white-painted military trucks the ruSSian artillery is bombarding border posts in the Luhansk area



http://inforesist.org/rossijskie-vojska-otkryli-shkvalnyj-ogon-po-poziciyam-ukrainskix-pogranichnikov-snbo/

neo-nazi is a convenient label that you just stick on anyone and attach a whole baggage of associations with hitler and nazis.

the truth is that those volunteer batallions are a legal territorial defense units allowed by ukrainian law. that they are comprised partly of supporters of far-right parties - well it's just a nature of these parties to attract a very special segment of male population. show me evidence that they are *doing* anything that resembles real nazis or shut the fuck up with your putinist propaganda.

A very insightful article by the Telegraph. The European governments (most of whom are left of the center) should seriously consider arming and thereby strengthening the neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

Dream him in Your sleep with the song.

^ Well, someone forget NSFW?

The dead one seems be an another. The face is different.

Green little men-disguise outdated. Putin invents new 'KHAKI little men +white trucks' concept

Russian reinforcements and supplies disguised as 'humanitarian aid' for Ukraine

Video of so-called humanitarian aid for East-Ukraine uploaded on August 10th:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X72AmOyFN-M

The police cars have 99 on their number plates. Since these are military plates (black with white characters instead of white and black characters), it does NOT mean they come from Moscow region:

The Russian Wikipedia shows what it means: just 'military police'.

These trucks have 76, which means they come from the Urals Military District:


50 is Moscow Military District (see here): http://o001oo.ru/index.php?showtopic=9209



Some geographical features:


There is a rail-road behind the trucks:


Big electricity poles and industrial-like halls:


More poles and buildings:


This corresponds with this location:


Blue arrow = route driver
Yellow line = railway
Red boxes = obviously newly build halls

Link to Google maps. https://www.google.com/maps/@55.5439525,36.9660947,1316m/data=!3m1!1e3

The apartment buildings can also be seen in Google Streetview:


So the location is confirmed.

According to Wikimapia this entire area belongs to the 5th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade: Soldiers getting instructions:


In the video it can clearly be seen that there is military presence:


Soldiers getting instructions:


Here are cars painted with red crosses:


Radar for S-300 complex can be seen here:


But since this is a regular Russian military base it is not clear if this will be used for East-Ukraine of course.

in this screenshot a white 'humanitarian truck' can be seen INSIDE the base:


This Panoramio photo shows all kinds of military equipment can regularly be seen st that location:


Interpretermag.com talks about 300 trucks. http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-175-106-convicts-escape-donetsk-prison-during-shelling/#3739

A video of the convoy starting to leave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R85iQmTJLdc

Since by now the disguise of the 'green little men' is exposed and outdated, Putin invented something new: The khaki little men...!!!




Wow, they even have ONE truck with food:


Logos and number plates removed:


This is how you can do it:

    Cut-away view of inside of khaki-little-men+white-trucks #Russia sends 2Ukraine #humanitarianaid pic.twitter.com/0pk1dQhkAl RT @Review_News_Net
    — djp3tros (@djp3tros) August 12, 2014


August 12th tweet with photo sayse a convoy departed:

    Paнo yтpoм кaмaзы c "гyмaнитapнoй пoмoщью" выexaли из Aлaбинo. Eдyт кoлoннaми пpимepнo пo 30 фyp c бoльшими paзpывaми pic.twitter.com/ESCXBStm3U
    — Vladislav (@unkn0wnerror) August 12, 2014

Auto translation of the text says: "Early in the morning KAMAZ with the "humanitarian aid" checked out Alabino. Go columns about 30 trucks with large gaps."

The city Alabino is next to this military base. It means they just left...

Another photo of the convoy:

    Гyмaнитapный кoнвoй c #PФ pic.twitter.com/Mj7GHh3zUC
    — Hoвocти Укpaины (@Dbnmjr) August 11, 2014



Red Cross in Kiev, which would coordinate aid distribution, tells me they weren't informed by Russia before the convoy departed.
— Michael Birnbaum (@michaelbirnbaum) August 12, 2014

Conclusion
From a MILITARY base near Moscow Russia prepared white trucks as 'humanitarian aid' for (East)Ukraine. This clearly is a disguise for equipment, supplies and reinforcements and probably some food as well of course.
Since the eastern border with Ukraine is in complete control of Russia, nobody will be able to check the real contents of these trucks. Yet, when attacked by Ukraine, Russia will have a perfect Propaganda excuse to further escalate the conflict. If left unharmed, Russia can easily supply and reinforce their troops in Ukraine like this.
Again: this is a military operation...

Biut don't be fooled. There are 100+ REAL Russian army vehicles in Novoshahtinsk ready to enter Ukraine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f_RZW-bCMEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f_RZW-bCMEc



http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/russian-reinforcements-and-supplies.html

For those who don't know this dead guy: he was some Georgian thug, mercenary in Ukrainian paramilitary called 'Doberman'. Known for torturing captives and civilians.