Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 239. (Read 734937 times)

Don't mix history and ideology in such rude way. Russians aren't some sort of natural born communists (sounds almost like a thoughtcrime, hm?), nor do they show big support for their modern communist party. They are proud of what they achieved in historical period corresponding with the communist rule. Communism happened to help them to make gigantic step from poor, under-developed, mostly agricultural country to world superpower. Communists were also in charge when Russians and other Soviet nations won the bloodiest war that the world has ever seen, one which threatened them with complete annihilation as sub-humans, a lesser race in Nazi eyes. But in the same time most Russians are well aware of the communism's dark side, though, and they don't have any illusions about it.


Yep, I know. Do you think that the federalization isn't even an option any more? When/if Kiev offers substantial autonomy, Novorossia will reject it?

Russia should have never allied itself with France and GB before WWI, but stayed neutral. By manoeuvring Russia into the alliance, GB ensured that Russia became the source of cannon fodder and that its growing industrial power got crippled. And by financing the revolutionaries (Esers), the destruction of Russian political system and its transition to Constitutional Monarchy was ensured as well.

Hologram, don't mix Russia and Soviet Union. Those are two very different entities. Russia is still trying to come back to its former self after the Soviet terror and two world wars.

In Russia communist crime are always minimized, and they teach people that without communism Russia would still be a third world country, this is so stupid... Thanks in the west we hasn't hardline socialism (but KGB pushed very hard to socialise our economy and they partially succeed) and we still the most successful part of the world. Russian always speak about foreign policy but never apologize for the horrible ideology they spread around the world.

Good question, i live in France and in my country we have strong socialist policy. Communist in France was always allied with the USSR and they collaborate with nazi and then has leader before the liberation. Now they have very strong power from the law and we can't get rid of "CGT" or "FO" (both communist worker union who hided firearm waiting for socialist revolution before the end of USSR...) even if they still hundred of billion. We even still have a fucking subsided communist journal called "l'humanité" who say "communism never kill somebody" and all this bullshit... Now a large portion of people and even a larger of young want to quit France cause there is socialist everywhere in power and they are so powerful we can't get rid of them. And the most successful party if a fucking national socialist party (Obviously pro-russian, antisemitic and "anti-imperialist"...) with socialist economic view... My country is full of fucking socialism... Sure, soon this country will be allied to Russian, but like every Russian allied it will be full of loser cause all successful people including me will be in USA, UK, Canada, Dubai, Switzerland...

According to hacked e-mail exchange of Ukrainian minister of defence Koval' and Prosecutor general Yarema, there is a growing descent in the army, which may lead to a mutiny. They ponder how to handle the situation, and one of the means suggested is applying pressure on the relatives (using men from right sector to "look after" the officers' wives) of the most dissatisfied commanders, while exposing the commanders as "enemies of the people".

http://rusvesna.su/news/1404223553

that is absolutely not true. and that is something that is still used against russians today. there is communist party still active in russian federation - its absolutely unpopular. otherwise it would be winning elections right? you come across as a very misinformed individual, though with extremely distinct scense of opinion. where does all this hate come from? what did russian state or russian persons ever done to you? the only interaction you get with anything russian is when you cook food or heat up your boiler. and if you have electrical services, then you still have to thank the communists for financing and planning all the infrostructure in your 'sovereign' democratic romania. interesting, they did all that despite the fact your leaders chose to fight on the side of nazis and killing millions of soviet people as a result. note that its romanian army led by germans that attacked crymea.
now you are in eu. did your power generation increase or decrease? how much of the more expensive foreign power is being bought these days? how much emigration you have now? quality of life must be improving rapidly there since everybody is fleeing to uk.
while most russians learned from misfalls of the past system they still highly appreciate the fact that the state allocated absolutely huge amounts of resources/wealth for its citizens for free. this process of understanding history is nothing to be ashamed of. or you'd rather speak german?

Novorossia has been acknowledged by Afghanistan and South Osetia. Oh well. On to more pressing matters.

Lugansk centre came under heavy artillery fire. The residential private sector is in flames:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404233947

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During the battle near Lugansk, freedom fighters disabled 6 tanks and 8 APCs:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404226497

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On the Northern front, 2 APC destroyed:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404229903

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Two bombers shot down near Lugansk. They were from a group og 5 bombers unleashing hell on the city. The remaining 3 managed to escape:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404238574

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Funny, but that - federalization - was Donetsk' and Lugansk' demands right from the start, before they were forced to take to arms.

I think it's more a matter of classic diplomatic manoeuvring: set maximalistic goals upfront so that you have space to step back in future negotiations, and thus achieve realistic compromise where both sides should make some trade-offs. Kiev is doing the same thing, of course starting from the completely opposite point: they want everything as it was before, like nothing happened. Peace is somewhere between those two extreme views. In this case I believe that the substantial autonomy for the East, internationally observed and without the right to claim full independence, is the only way out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-glbfTYK2e8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC0nhxG6IaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDaJB88ahLA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l48qVpZxJSo

So you claim that this fantasy country really exists?
And it has diplomatic and economic relations with any other country?

Not even a Russian official has ever spoken of it as a country so.. it's a country based on what?
They don't even have salt or sugar according to 247crypto , how can they be a full fledged country ?

Maybe you have find the wrong forum, bitcoin is about monetary freedom, not socialism. And Russia is proud of communism... They should be as ashamed for communism as German for Nazism...

I'm sorry, but anybody who makes such claims

It seems that you have chosen a wrong forum. Try this URL:

https://usdtalk.org

Maybe you'll find some wall street defenders there.

 

niothor, they will cut some Romanian territory too 

http://www.newser.com/story/87885/russian-official-says-he-spoke-with-aliens.html

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/kremlin-asked-to-probe-kalmyk-leaders-visit-with-aliens/405472.html

Don't forget aliens

So , if this is indeed a war between russia and the usa , do you have any proofs on how Russia is involved in this war?

this war is not between russia and ukraine. its between russia and usa state department backed by banking clan that owns the fed.

War is fought on Tatooine also...and that's just as real as your republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatooine

Now really...


Without international recognition , there is no Lugansk Republic.
Funny also how the Wikipedia page in romanian is actually created by a moldavian =)))).

https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republica_Popular%C4%83_Luhansk

And since Russia has the largest iodine deficiency can we be sure that we will get rid of all those manics at Kremlin as well?