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If Ukraine actually defaults on the 3 billion Eurobond which is owed to Russia, then it gives the Russians the justification they need to invade Ukraine. So if Poroshenko and his clowns want to avoid losing large swaths of land, I advice them to quickly sell whetever assets they have, and pay back their debt to Russia.

Military invasions to force debt repayments are not legit, legally, justified according to international law. This is not from today; but, at least, since the founding of the United Nations...
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If Ukraine actually defaults on the 3 billion Eurobond which is owed to Russia, then it gives the Russians the justification they need to invade Ukraine. So if Poroshenko and his clowns want to avoid losing large swaths of land, I advice them to quickly sell whetever assets they have, and pay back their debt to Russia.
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May 27, 2015 3:37 pm

Ukraine takes ‘odious’ path to default

Elaine Moore

Ukraine’s decision last week to grant its government the power to stop foreign debt payments marks a distinct shift in tone for the wartorn and recession-battered country.
As negotiations between Kiev and its creditors stall and full-blown bankruptcy nears, the rhetoric of government communiques is shifting from conciliation to accusation.
Spot the difference in sentiment. In March a presentation to investors noted that “a collaborative process is paramount . . . Ukraine is committed to undertake consultations with its creditors”. By May the government declared it “has the right . . . not to return loans borrowed by [a] kleptocratic regime”.

In sovereign debt circles the tack Ukraine appears to be taking is known as the odious debt argument, which rejects the notion that governments are liable for the debts of their predecessor.
It is a strange approach in some ways, because legal enforcement of sovereign debt is already a mirage. Private lenders have few recourses if a country opts not to repay bonds. Unlike a company, an overly indebted nation cannot be stripped of parts and sold, and without military action payments cannot be forced. This is why Argentina remains mired in a battle with its creditors more than a decade after defaulting.
However, by questioning the legitimacy of debt it does not intend to pay, a country can hope to ward off the sort of informal sanctions that usually accompany default, such as denial of future loans by investors.
It is a risky strategy. If talks break down into acrimony countries can harm their chances of arranging a restructuring deal to which creditors will agree, and may be locked out of credit markets.

So far Greece has not officially employed the odious debt argument, although it has created a “Debt Truth Committee” to investigate its debts.
It can be a successful negotiation tool. In 2008 Ecuador declared two bonds issued in 2000 to be unlawful, odious debt taken out by a previous corrupt regime. The next year the country completed a restructure of its debt, buying back bonds at just 35 cents on the dollar.
However, Adam Feibelman at Tulane university says the move could be a pyrrhic victory. Ecuador’s definition of odious debt, he adds, did not match the definition coined in the 1920s by Alexander Nahun Sack, a Russian legal theorist, as debt contracted and spent against the interests of the population without its consent.
For Ukraine the case rests on the fact that the money owed was taken out during the rule of Viktor Yanukovich, who fled the country last year after the collapse of his pro-Russian regime. It includes a $3bn bond owed to Russia and due for repayment at the end of this year.
Kiev says the money was not used for the good of the Ukrainian people. “To the public these funds have not reached. They were wasted in vain for the country . . . Government has the right to direct the funds paid by taxpayers in Ukraine to the needs of its citizens and not to return loans of the kleptocratic regime of Yanukovych.”
Not every government inherits the debts of its predecessor. In 2007 Robert Howse wrote a paper for the UN outlining incidents of debt payments being denied on the basis of odious debt. It began with the US refusing to take on the debt of Cuba when Spain ceded sovereignty in 1898, arguing that the money was not borrowed for the benefit of Cubans and had been used in part to suppress popular uprisings. Spain countered that under laws of succession the US was bound to take on the debt. The debt was never paid.
Later the Soviets repudiated the outstanding debt of Russia’s Tsarist government after the 1917 revolution, saying the state was not liable for acts of previous governments.
When Iran was arguing against debts to the US taken out before the revolution, Washington said that even when a government was removed the state was unchanged and its international rights and obligations remained.

Government has the right to direct the funds paid by taxpayers in Ukraine to the needs of its citizens and not to return loans of [a] kleptocratic regime
- Kiev statement

Advocates of the odious debt argument tried to persuade Nelson Mandela and the African National Congress to reject South Africa’s apartheid-era debts and asked the US to write off Iraq’s debt after the overthrow of its regime in 2003. Neither piece of advice was followed, although Iraq was granted debt relief for reasons of “debt sustainability”.
Anna Gelpern, a fellow in law at Georgetown, says obstacles to odious debt include the problem of choosing an objective judge and then enforcing a decision, particularly now that sovereign debt is owned by a disparate group of investors.
For Ukraine time is running out. Kiev is trying to restructure about $23bn of international debt in all. Without a deal by next month it risks losing its next tranche of International Monetary Fund funding, and default may be the only option left.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c12c7286-046a-11e5-95ad-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3bTNMBxTJ


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Funny thing is, that Mr. Orbán is the only one between the present people, who was elected in direct elections. Fascists calling him dictator is quite a spectacle. Almost Conchita Wurst level spectacle.

Anyone who doesn't bow down to the CIA and the NATO is a dictator, who must be overthrown in a "democratic" coup. Examples for such dictators are Muammar Gaddhafi in Libya, Saddam Hussain in Iraq, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, Bashar al Assad in Syria, Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine, Nikola Gruevski in FYROM, Vladimir Putin in Russia, Alexander Lukashenko in Belarus etc.

But none of you ever dare to call King Salman of Saudi Arabia or Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani of Qatar as dictators.  Grin They all enjoy "widespread" support from their subjects, and were elected in a "democratic" process.

And a humble request for you. Please refrain from mentioning the name of that bearded monstrosity in this thread.
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Funny thing is, that Mr. Orbán is the only one between the present people, who was elected in direct elections. Fascists calling him dictator is quite a spectacle. Almost Conchita Wurst level spectacle.
Well, there are two things. First, dictator can be democratically elected, this leads to legitimate dictatorship. Notable examples of legitimate dictatorship (aka illiberal democracy or democratic dictatorship) are the France under De Gaulle's regime or modern People's Republic of China.

And the second, the term "dictator" originates from the roman political system. It was an electable position and any citizen had the right of nomination. So, the way of achieving the power doesn't matter in this case. Only actions matter here. Roll Eyes

If there are systematic power abuses, which are performed by somebody like this clown on the video, then there is a problem.
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Funny thing is, that Mr. Orbán is the only one between the present people, who was elected in direct elections. Fascists calling him dictator is quite a spectacle. Almost Conchita Wurst level spectacle.
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US-China war 'inevitable' unless Washington drops demands over South China Sea

The United States is supposed to defend its allies (Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia.etc) from the Chinese aggression in the South China Sea. But I doubt whether they will actually do anything more than imposing sanctions, in case China decides to occuppy those islands which are currently being administered by Japan or  Philippines.
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http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/05/26/putin-ukraine-josh-rogin-nr-sot.cnn-ap

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US-China war 'inevitable' unless Washington drops demands over South China Sea

Warning from state-run China newspaper as Beijing reveals plans for development of disputed South China Sea islands

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11630185/US-China-war-inevitable-unless-Washington-drops-demands-over-South-China-Sea.html
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5/21/15 Patrick Smith
Patrick Smith, author of Time No Longer: Americans After the American Century, discusses Secretary of State John Kerry’s implicit admission that the US has overplayed its hand in Ukraine, and how this could help US-Russia relations going forward.

http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2015/05/21/52115-patrick-smith/
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Yes, after each visit to Moscow by Merkel the Germans seem to distance themselves more from the mob. I´m sure Putin shows her some very interesting stuff. As we know the Russians have more than enough satellites following things below, very capable intelligence services and now that they´re so close with the Chinese this all gets even more efficient, hackers and all. So, they have megatons of dirt on the mob, you can be sure of that. Which they use discreetly behind the curtains. It did seem a bit strange that Kerry suddenly scrambled to go to Russia to whine over mob bunglings and disasters, maybe dirt damage control was part of that. In any event the mob is more subdued now than before, we´ll see if it lasts.

You may be right in that they lost interest in Ukraine and are shifting the focus to the Balkans again. Also the following stuff may have played a role of a deterrent:

The video is from Russian TV channel "Zvezda", with Lada's English subtitles. And don't get discouraged by the word "alien". Smiley
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/exclusive-video-esr-4-alien-technology-new-russian-weapons/



Iosif Kobzon sheds his title of "People's Artist of Ukraine", saying that he was given this titles in a different country by different people.



Amnesty International published a report, showing cases of inhumane treatment of captives on both sides of the conflict.
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Just saw this...

This is fucking disgusting...

In LNR a ukrainian  reconnaissance group was eliminated... well off one of the dead Nazis militiamen found a cell phone video.

In the video, Ukie troops execute a militiaman and his pregnant wife via hanging.

WARNING: Very sick video.. don't watch unless you want to puke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBKmcQLGYGk&feature=youtu.be
I wouldn't bother too much.

Center of gravity does not match with axis of rope;
Their legs are straight;
No convulsions were seen.

It's impossible so this particular video seems as fake.

I hope you are right - I would much prefer it to be fake.
How is this done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71VkCOejANg

Video from filming location for some TV series.
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Just saw this...

This is fucking disgusting...

In LNR a ukrainian  reconnaissance group was eliminated... well off one of the dead Nazis militiamen found a cell phone video.

In the video, Ukie troops execute a militiaman and his pregnant wife via hanging.

WARNING: Very sick video.. don't watch unless you want to puke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBKmcQLGYGk&feature=youtu.be
I wouldn't bother too much.

Center of gravity does not match with axis of rope;
Their legs are straight;
No convulsions were seen.

It's impossible so this particular video seems as fake.

I hope you are right - I would much prefer it to be fake.
legendary
Activity: 3108
Merit: 1359
Just saw this...

This is fucking disgusting...

In LNR a ukrainian  reconnaissance group was eliminated... well off one of the dead Nazis militiamen found a cell phone video.

In the video, Ukie troops execute a militiaman and his pregnant wife via hanging.

WARNING: Very sick video.. don't watch unless you want to puke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBKmcQLGYGk&feature=youtu.be
I wouldn't bother too much.

Center of gravity does not match with axis of rope;
Their legs are straight;
No convulsions were seen.

It's impossible so this particular video seems as fake.
legendary
Activity: 992
Merit: 1000
Just saw this...

This is fucking disgusting...

In LNR a ukrainian  reconnaissance group was eliminated... well off one of the dead Nazis militiamen found a cell phone video.

In the video, Ukie troops execute a militiaman and his pregnant wife via hanging.

WARNING: Very sick video.. don't watch unless you want to puke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBKmcQLGYGk&feature=youtu.be
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Russia Just Closed NATO's Land Corridor to Afghanistan

Long overdue


Tue, May 19

“The graveyard of empires” just got a little bit more graveyardy: Medvedev has‬ canceled the decree that allows ‪NATO‬ forces to use Russian territory as a transit corridor to Afghanistan. The decision comes just as it was revealed that the U.S. plans on extending its already over-extended “stay” in Afghanistan. Hey, somebody has to guard all those delicious poppy fields!

The decree states:

With regard to the ceasing of actions related to the NATO resolution 1386 (2001), the Russian Federation issues the following decree:

To nullify the acts of the Government of the Russian Federation as listed according to the appendix.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation informs the governments of foreign lands and international organisations of the ceasing of terrestrial and combined (rail, auto and air) transit of weapons, military goods and ammunition across the Russian Federation , following the address of the International powers of defence cooperation in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.  

      
Have fun resupplying your poppy-guarding bases via Pakistan….

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-just-closed-natos-land-corridor-afghanistan/ri7078
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Russia plans to invite India, Pakistan and Iran into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)

India and Pakistan in the same organization? I am afraid that it is never going to happen. And after the election of Narendra Modi as the Prime Minister, India is swaying more towards the United States. In case India joins the SCO , it will be one of the most powerful powerful organizations of its type, with a combined population of close to 3 billion.

Edit: It might happen. India has already applied for the full membership.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/india-applies-for-full-membership-of-sco-114091201425_1.html
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Russia has “hardened” her southern border, politically and militarily

May 19, 2015

Russia plans to invite India, Pakistan and Iran into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)

This has been discussed for a very long time already, but this time it is official: Sergei Lavrov has just declared that at the next summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) countries Russia will propose to the initiate the process of accepting Iran a a full member alongside India and Pakistan.

Quick reminder: the following countries are currently member of the SCO: China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tadjikistan and Uzbekistan; the following countries are currently “observers” and, therefore, possible candidates: Afghanistan, India, Iran, Mongolia and Pakistan while Belarus, Sri Lanka and Turkey are “dialog partners”.  The near-future SCO would thus include all of the following full members: China, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Russia, Tadjikistan and Uzbekistan. .... more

http://thesaker.is/russia-has-hardened-her-southern-border-politically-and-militarily/
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Mob toil and trouble...Starting to sound rather desperate.

Ukraine's Poroshenko talks of 'real war' with Russia

Ukraine's president has told the BBC his country is now in a "real war" with Russia - and that Ukrainians should prepare for a Russian offensive.
Petro Poroshenko told the BBC's Fergal Keane he did not trust his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, but had no option but to negotiate with him.
The Kremlin said it did not trust Mr Poroshenko either and accused Ukraine of "broken commitments".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32805555
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