Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 74. (Read 734725 times)
what did we have before the creation of those fake entities and by whom? furthermore the world isn't frozen (yet).
From your understanding Nemo would it be a more reasonable proposition:
Russia forget the existence of the MENA (including Iran), get land access to crimea through novorossia - mariupol (trough an independent state or a new republic of the federation), agrees to demilitarize crimea, get all former Ukraine fully demilitarize, in short a very peaceful solution.
Or what would you propose to bring peace harmony and prosperity between the USA and Russia?
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However Russia&everyone involved will understand that what happen in Syria is a very big bad deed, there could have been so many different outcomes, but Russian primarily supported those atrocities committed there against those that where feed up to be under the thumb of a man and then his son.
Russia forget the existence of the MENA (including Iran), get land access to crimea through novorossia - mariupol (trough an independent state or a new republic of the federation), agrees to demilitarize crimea, get all former Ukraine fully demilitarize, in short a very peaceful solution.
Or what would you propose to bring peace harmony and prosperity between the USA and Russia?
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However Russia&everyone involved will understand that what happen in Syria is a very big bad deed, there could have been so many different outcomes, but Russian primarily supported those atrocities committed there against those that where feed up to be under the thumb of a man and then his son.
The man and his son may not indeed look very democratic (no irony here, lol), but back then we had Iraq under Saddam Hussein and now we have ISIL with al-Qaeda...
From your understanding Nemo would it be a more reasonable proposition:
Russia forget the existence of the MENA (including Iran), get land access to crimea through novorossia - mariupol (trough an independent state or a new republic of the federation), agrees to demilitarize crimea, get all former Ukraine fully demilitarize, in short a very peaceful solution.
Or what would you propose to bring peace harmony and prosperity between the USA and Russia?
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However Russia&everyone involved will understand that what happen in Syria is a very big bad deed, there could have been so many different outcomes, but Russian primarily supported those atrocities committed there against those that where feed up to be under the thumb of a man and then his son.
What is very telling to the Russian People on board here, is what would do Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov and consorts to you, if you dared to express that the Putin must go... curious, but expect the worst. And now from the Imperial American Perspectives (i.e. the end of everything 4 U), if the next president of the Russian federation is worst than putin? what shall the Empire do? wait like you to be under the domination of this group? or prepare the hell of a fight, to be sure not to end up like you or the Syrians... because now, yes, we can
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Don't be silly either.
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the real Russians war wasn't kgb vs Russian people (this one had already be won long ago) but kgb vs kgb vs many others Russian groups vs the foreigners vs The Swarm (In Constant Motion,Ultimate winner anyway, as Allways).
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About Georgia, Russians stopped there because a woman arrived in a plan carrying a flag, furthermore it was smarter to stay just near the bottom of the mountains, so that who ever may come would have to climb it against Russian regulars forces, at least it's what I read, eared... a few comments maybe Nemo?
Russia forget the existence of the MENA (including Iran), get land access to crimea through novorossia - mariupol (trough an independent state or a new republic of the federation), agrees to demilitarize crimea, get all former Ukraine fully demilitarize, in short a very peaceful solution.
Or what would you propose to bring peace harmony and prosperity between the USA and Russia?
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However Russia&everyone involved will understand that what happen in Syria is a very big bad deed, there could have been so many different outcomes, but Russian primarily supported those atrocities committed there against those that where feed up to be under the thumb of a man and then his son.
What is very telling to the Russian People on board here, is what would do Vladimir Putin, Sergei Lavrov and consorts to you, if you dared to express that the Putin must go... curious, but expect the worst. And now from the Imperial American Perspectives (i.e. the end of everything 4 U), if the next president of the Russian federation is worst than putin? what shall the Empire do? wait like you to be under the domination of this group? or prepare the hell of a fight, to be sure not to end up like you or the Syrians... because now, yes, we can
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Don't be silly either.
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the real Russians war wasn't kgb vs Russian people (this one had already be won long ago) but kgb vs kgb vs many others Russian groups vs the foreigners vs The Swarm (In Constant Motion,Ultimate winner anyway, as Allways).
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About Georgia, Russians stopped there because a woman arrived in a plan carrying a flag, furthermore it was smarter to stay just near the bottom of the mountains, so that who ever may come would have to climb it against Russian regulars forces, at least it's what I read, eared... a few comments maybe Nemo?
I am starting to agree with myshownow that NATO is trying to kill the Russian leadership with laughing.
Mr-I-ate-my-own-necktie Saakashvili said today that Ukrainian army is powerful enough to take onto and win over the Russian army.
http://ria.ru/world/20150207/1046410299.html
This is coming from a guy, who should know better. PCR wrote about that Georgian experience in his latest article, so I'll just quote it.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/05/cowardly-despicable-american-presstitutes/
Oh, and Saakashvili is wanted by the Georgian prosecutor's office. When international arrest warrant on him was issues, the first response came from US state department, telling Georgians to lay off, saying something like Saakashvili may be a bastard, but he's our bastard.
Mr-I-ate-my-own-necktie Saakashvili said today that Ukrainian army is powerful enough to take onto and win over the Russian army.
http://ria.ru/world/20150207/1046410299.html
This is coming from a guy, who should know better. PCR wrote about that Georgian experience in his latest article, so I'll just quote it.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/05/cowardly-despicable-american-presstitutes/
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In the event you have forgotten the efficiency of the Russian military, remember the fate of the American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian Army that Washington sicced on South Ossetia. The Georgian invasion of South Ossetia resulted in the deaths of Russian peace-keeping soldiers and Russian citizens. The Russian military intervened, and the American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian Army collapsed in five hours. All of Georgia was back in Russian hands, but the Russians withdrew and left the former province of Russia independent, despite the lies from Washington that Putin intends to restore the Soviet Empire.
Oh, and Saakashvili is wanted by the Georgian prosecutor's office. When international arrest warrant on him was issues, the first response came from US state department, telling Georgians to lay off, saying something like Saakashvili may be a bastard, but he's our bastard.
If there wasn't Syria, I would say that joining the Novorossians would maybe be the best move that the Empire could do. Since the Russians aren't there 
, by supporting them Empire scale, it would cut the grass under the kremlin murders and exterminators of the Syrian people, and then real asset at the border, which would be necessary to keep the newly weapon receive by mistake by the ukies 
. It would be equivalent to tricking them with the removal of chemo weapon, ahhh and a few lauch of ICBM (the oldest usable ones) from the sea next to crimea to show them... too.
, by supporting them Empire scale, it would cut the grass under the kremlin murders and exterminators of the Syrian people, and then real asset at the border, which would be necessary to keep the newly weapon receive by mistake by the ukies . It would be equivalent to tricking them with the removal of chemo weapon, ahhh and a few lauch of ICBM (the oldest usable ones) from the sea next to crimea to show them... too.
Civilians still trapped in Uglegorsk and Debaltsevo. The Ukrainian army is still putting in obstacles by using artillery against the refugee column. I hope that the evacuation will be completed in the next 2-3 days.
After that it is doomsday for the Ukrainian soldiers in the Debaltsevo pocket.
After that it is doomsday for the Ukrainian soldiers in the Debaltsevo pocket.
many times I have seen the word "ukies" here, does it means ukrainians? seems like "from UK"
Yes, with the same mildly negative connotation as some use "ruskies" about Russians.
But if the Brits continue to behave themselves like the do, the coverage of "ukies" can can always be expanded.
no no ruskies are serious when sober, ukies on the other hand...
many times I have seen the word "ukies" here, does it means ukrainians? seems like "from UK"
Yes, with the same mildly negative connotation as some use "ruskies" about Russians.
But if the Brits continue to behave themselves like the do, the coverage of "ukies" can can always be expanded.
many times I have seen the word "ukies" here, does it means ukrainians? seems like "from UK"
it's fun how things never change... they move east, they meet the cold, the smart ones achieve retreat, the others are trapped in pockets, and die there like certainly millions of their predecessors. Do you think that the ukies will do the same as the hitler regime with their soldiers? let them all die? Isn't it like Syria, a trap for those willing to fight for ideas?
I have a fun remark, I am ready to bet that Poroshenko would drop yats in a heartbeat in a deal... gulag 4 yats 4 life? How long would it takes to take Kiev, all out, pure marked FEDERATION FORCES? just rhetorical questions... How is it going with the 2 defenders of liberty, those that never put the interest of their sponsors before those of the daughters of their nations? yeahh I forget the band of DSK and co, must have fresh meat every night... GO UK!
I have a fun remark, I am ready to bet that Poroshenko would drop yats in a heartbeat in a deal... gulag 4 yats 4 life? How long would it takes to take Kiev, all out, pure marked FEDERATION FORCES? just rhetorical questions... How is it going with the 2 defenders of liberty, those that never put the interest of their sponsors before those of the daughters of their nations? yeahh I forget the band of DSK and co, must have fresh meat every night... GO UK!
And meanwhile those sheep under domination are unable to see what was done to them. That's great.
An interesting historical development:
DNR has declared itself an heir of Donetsk-Krivorozhje Republic. LNR is expected to follow suit.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/6/728328.html
Donetsk-Krivorozhje Soviet Republic was founded on the 12th of February 1918 within the federation of RSFSR. It spanned present Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhje, Dniepropetrovsk, and partially Harkov, Sumsk, Hersonsk and Nikolaevsk regions. The capital of DKR was Harkov, but was later moved to Lugansk. In March 1918 DKR was transferred into newly-established Ukrainian Soviet Republic, and then disbanded a year later.
Now, USA and EU are very keen on maintaining the current territorial legacy of the Soviet Union, so logically, they should support such development.
DNR has declared itself an heir of Donetsk-Krivorozhje Republic. LNR is expected to follow suit.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/2/6/728328.html
Donetsk-Krivorozhje Soviet Republic was founded on the 12th of February 1918 within the federation of RSFSR. It spanned present Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhje, Dniepropetrovsk, and partially Harkov, Sumsk, Hersonsk and Nikolaevsk regions. The capital of DKR was Harkov, but was later moved to Lugansk. In March 1918 DKR was transferred into newly-established Ukrainian Soviet Republic, and then disbanded a year later.
Now, USA and EU are very keen on maintaining the current territorial legacy of the Soviet Union, so logically, they should support such development.
MORE LAUGHS
Merkel & Hollande have arrived in Moscow. I wonder if Putin was able to keep a straight face & not burst into laughter
I myself cant control myself from laughing whenever I think about the two clowns going to MOscow when they were all talking of isolating Putin all along... but look at them, despite all the talk of ultimatum & all those pretense of still having some "power", what they are actually doing is tantamount to coming to plead for mercy...
I guess Putin should give them ultimatums instead..
For more laughs
Yep, Nina Shtanski, Transnistrian foreign minister.
Quick and no googling..who is she ?
Some Transnistria official (don't remember exactly)...
Quick and no googling..who is she ?
These east Ukrainian regions played a very important role in the Soviet industrial setup, especially the armaments industry and continued to do so for the Russians after the Soviet Union dissolved. Like the Crimea, this is simply too important for Russian national security to let fall to vassals of U.S./NATO. The western mob knows this very well and will accept it in due course. The Ukrainian regime seems resigned to this as well. Their military actions have been mostly of a punitive nature and for the sake of appearance. And now their military force is probably just about done. The Russians and their allies in those new republics have played this whole affair masterfully as was to be expected of expert strategists, and will have a very strong position in the coming negotiations.
Let's not forget that "these east Ukrainian regions" were not Ukrainian in the first place until the Soviet Union...
And neither was Crimea. It was about administrative arrangements within the Soviet complex. Like Transnistria, another industrial region within that setup. You know; it´s strange how the western mob considered everything the Soviets did worthless and just commie propaganda yet these commie arrangements are holy to the mob and cast in stone. Well, at least Crimea.
Laws carved in stone are rewritten in blood...
These east Ukrainian regions played a very important role in the Soviet industrial setup, especially the armaments industry and continued to do so for the Russians after the Soviet Union dissolved. Like the Crimea, this is simply too important for Russian national security to let fall to vassals of U.S./NATO. The western mob knows this very well and will accept it in due course. The Ukrainian regime seems resigned to this as well. Their military actions have been mostly of a punitive nature and for the sake of appearance. And now their military force is probably just about done. The Russians and their allies in those new republics have played this whole affair masterfully as was to be expected of expert strategists, and will have a very strong position in the coming negotiations.
Let's not forget that "these east Ukrainian regions" were not Ukrainian in the first place until the Soviet Union...
And neither was Crimea. It was about administrative arrangements within the Soviet complex. Like Transnistria, another industrial region within that setup. You know; it´s strange how the western mob considered everything the Soviets did worthless and just commie propaganda yet these commie arrangements are holy to the mob and cast in stone. Well, at least Crimea.
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