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Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 87. (Read 734725 times)

legendary
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ok I have a question: Is everything ok in Kharkiv now?
I have a chance to run a marathon there in April and it seems fairly safe at the moment...
SBU is pretty active since summer, as well as anti-government activists.

http://uatoday.tv/politics/explosion-at-kharkiv-cafe-hosting-azon-battalion-fundraiser-labelled-terrorist-attack-390858.html

Stay away from politics (pro- or anti-russian) and everything will be ok. Otherwise you can be abducted by SBU or  activists.
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Look how east of the Dniepr naturally merges into Russia. The Kharkov Oblast, goes without saying. Perfect.

legendary
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ok I have a question: Is everything ok in Kharkiv now?
I have a chance to run a marathon there in April and it seems fairly safe at the moment...

Some National Guard troops were ambushed and killed there today by underground partisans. There is heavy anti - insurgency operations going on there.

Realistically almost anyone could get detained by SBU and tortured. Don't say anything pro-russian to anyone.
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ok I have a question: Is everything ok in Kharkiv now?
I have a chance to run a marathon there in April and it seems fairly safe at the moment...
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Russian Army units in Krasnodon blocked the base of local terrorists. At least 4 Russian BPM-97 “Vystrel” in the video.

Today early in the morning Russian Army units blocked the base of local pro-Russian terrorists who control Krasnodon, a city on the way from Russian border to Lugansk. In the video there are soldiers in Russian winter uniform and at least 4 BPM-97 “Vystel” modification “Dozor-N”, that type of armored vehicles are only used in Russian Federation. Same vehicles has been seen training together with terrorists on December 31 and later have been seen near university on the East of Lugansk, you can read more about it here http://lugansk-news.com/russian-army-units-taking-part-in-military-actions-on-a-side-of-terrorists-in-lugansk-ukraine-video/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W60GEa1dRxw

On January 1 2015 one of the leaders of terrorist group called “Batman” and his bodyguards were burnt on the road between Lugansk and Lutuhyne. The leaders of so-called Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) posted a message on their information resources and claimed that they tried to arrest “Batman” and his men, but they started to fire, so they have been killed during the fight. The rest of the “Batman” group and witnesses claimed that the leader of  LPR Plotnitsiy is removing everybody who is independent from his “army”. “Batman” and his team were moving in 2 vehicles and they had no chance to fire back as they were attacked without warning from 2 sides of the road from very close distance. Russian Federation citizens who were part of the group called “Rusich” and were ally with “Batman” left LPR territory. The leader of “Rusich” Aleksey Milchakov in his interview later said that people who killed “Batman” were using Russian APC “Tigr” and BPM-97 “Vystel”.

So today same heavily armed unit with armored personnel carries BPM-97 “Vystel” and other vehicles has arrived to Krasnodon and surrounded the base of local pro-Russian terrorist group called “Odessa”. The leader of “Odessa” group with nickname “Varyag” gave interview to pro-Russian separatist channel and explained the situation. He said that a group called “Private Military Company” surrounded their base and offered to surrender their weapons.


The leader of Krasnodon terrorist group “Odessa” with nickname “Varyag”

The road from Krasnodon to Lugansk has been blocked. Later it was reported that “Odessa” group has surrendered and nobody was killed. Obviously Russian Army units are helping the leader of LPR to take under control all terrorist groups in different cities. Formally all those groups support LPR, but in reality they are acting independently from each other and not always recognize the central command center of terrorists located in Lugansk.

On the screenshots below are 4 Russians BPM-97 Vystrel Dozor-N spotted in Krasnodon today.








Below is detailed analyses of the video that shows where the video was taken.


irst of all the person who took the video was moving from the direction of Lugansk to Krasnodon. Right at the beginning of the video you can see fighter jet at the entrance to the city which was put there as a monument. Here it is on Google Map




And here is the path and direction the operator was moving.


In the screenshot below is the entrance to the terrorist base. Just before it there is a bus stop called “RMZ”. -


And here is the entrance to terrorist base on Google map


http://lugansk-news.com/russian-army-units-in-krasnodon-blocked-the-base-of-local-terrorists-at-least-4-russian-bpm-97-vystrel-in-the-video/
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From a mob media comments section

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US government means well, after all they say so all the time. The scary thing is that they are - most of them - probably quite sincere in this narcissistic delusion. The elites in Washington are not as much evil (there is a bit of that), as they completely lack experience. They misunderstand history, they live in clichés, they like to argue with slogans. So "bombing" other people for freedom are just words they throw around. Any rival is always demonized, any lie will do.

The media mostly acts to elaborate on existing stereotypes, otherwise people simply couldn't grasp what is going on. It is the lazy leading the ignorant. As long as the good fortune and wealth lasts, it is an amusing spectacle. But what if one day the goodies are gone?

These elites lack real experiences with life. Their education is based on simplistic good-bad formulas, with a heavy doses of myths. Their understanding of other people's history is dismal. They think WWII was won by US invasion of Normandy and fought over Holocaust. They don't get other people because they simply don't get complexity, nuance, local histories. They still don't understand the concept of "ethnic" identity. So they break stuff and retreat to their ignorance.

There is also the acquisitive angle: give us your resources, buy our stuff, borrow and pay us back, after all US is primarily a business. There are too many around the world who dream of getting something from the benevolent Americans, and some do. Enough to keep this latter day cargo cult going. In Ukraine this mindless US approach hit a wall, so they are angry. When people with no real experiences and a great sense of self-worth and entitlement get angry, it can be scary. But I still think at the end they will pull back, they have a short attention span and there are other, easier places to liberate and plunder.

A small correction. That's not a BUK but a KRUG. Quite an antique piece of AA hardware. 
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Here's members of the Russian 53rd brigade whose brigade shot down #MH17 with one of their Buks. Time to speak up?







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From a mob media comments section

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US government means well, after all they say so all the time. The scary thing is that they are - most of them - probably quite sincere in this narcissistic delusion. The elites in Washington are not as much evil (there is a bit of that), as they completely lack experience. They misunderstand history, they live in clichés, they like to argue with slogans. So "bombing" other people for freedom are just words they throw around. Any rival is always demonized, any lie will do.

The media mostly acts to elaborate on existing stereotypes, otherwise people simply couldn't grasp what is going on. It is the lazy leading the ignorant. As long as the good fortune and wealth lasts, it is an amusing spectacle. But what if one day the goodies are gone?

These elites lack real experiences with life. Their education is based on simplistic good-bad formulas, with a heavy doses of myths. Their understanding of other people's history is dismal. They think WWII was won by US invasion of Normandy and fought over Holocaust. They don't get other people because they simply don't get complexity, nuance, local histories. They still don't understand the concept of "ethnic" identity. So they break stuff and retreat to their ignorance.

There is also the acquisitive angle: give us your resources, buy our stuff, borrow and pay us back, after all US is primarily a business. There are too many around the world who dream of getting something from the benevolent Americans, and some do. Enough to keep this latter day cargo cult going. In Ukraine this mindless US approach hit a wall, so they are angry. When people with no real experiences and a great sense of self-worth and entitlement get angry, it can be scary. But I still think at the end they will pull back, they have a short attention span and there are other, easier places to liberate and plunder.
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Nazi Nutbag in Outer Space:

Rewriting history: Ukrainian PM Yatsenyuk says USSR invaded Germany during WWII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-i--EAfBPw


He did more than that:

How Yatsenjuk Admitted that Novorossia and Malorossia Are Not Ukraine
http://stanislavs.org/how-yatsenjuk-admitted-that-novorossia-and-malorossia-are-not-ukraine/

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The Ukrainian prime minister, who has been appointed to this position by Nuland(Nudelman) even befor eUSA conducted the Nazi coup d’etat in Ukraine in February 2014, has in essence made two lies and one admission in his statement:

Lie 1: Soviet Union did not attack Germany.

Lie 2: Ukraine was a part of Soviet Union, and, before that a part of Russia under the names of Novorossia and Malorossia, and could not be thus attacked by USSR.

Admission: Galicia was not at that time a part of USSR, it was annexed to Ukraine by Stalin after WWII. But Galicia was known as “Ukraine” (edge) of Austra-Hungarian empire. By saying that USSR attacked “Ukraine”, Yatskenjuk acknowledges, that Glaicia was Ukraine, while Malorossia and Novorossia were not (they did the attacking as part of USSR). Incidentally, all of the current toxic ultra-nationalism in Ukraine comes from Galicia.
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Making sense of the latest Russian offensives in eastern Ukraine

This morning, the Ukrainian army reported that the number of Russian invasion forces attacks “over the last day” stood at 50 in total. Such a figure was not reached since the Minsk agreement took effect in early September last year. 4 Ukrainian soldiers were killed during these 24 hours, and another 8 injured. At the same time, 2 civilians were killed and 8 injured in Donetsk city due to shelling over the same period of time, according to the city administration.

While over the last 4 months of the Minsk “ceasefire” and the Ukrainian-called in “silence mode” from December 9, the number of daily Russian attacks never fell below 5 and in average stood at 10-20 per day, 50 is a new peak and the final proof that the current appeasement policy by the Ukrainian government, namely the September 5 and 19 “truce” and the December 9 “silence mode”, are not working. However beyond that doubtless admission, the question arises, what the strategical aim of these attacks could be and why Russia is willing to turn up the heat again despite the fact, its territorial gains inside Ukraine are not challenged and it could consider itself satisfied with the strip of land, it has brought under its control so far.

A – meanwhile – good indicator for the daily spatial allocation of the Russian aggression is the situation map, published with daily updates by the Ukrainian defense ministry. After months of showing a far too “optimistic” picture, it is now quite accurately filled with most recent information and, despite missing some attacks, a good foundation for a more detailed analysis.

This is today’s map:

ATO map, showling the situation in the Donbas between January 8 and 9

At a first glance, the large number of “locations of combat” – indicated by the small orange explosions – along the front strikes the eye. While an exact count of those little “blast” symbols is not possible, it is fair to say, that their number is well below 50, showing the difficulty that comes with such sources. However what can be seen is that those symbols indicating fighting are ranged along the border between the Russian-held and the “liberated” Ukrainian territory with some dots being further inland, signaling long distance weapons fire.

The following map is an – informed – strategic assessment of those “locations of combat” (also known as “Russian assault target areas”), dividing the entire territory into four combat zones. Doing this, it becomes possible to make sense of these dozens of attacks, assigning them to possible mid- and long term in strategic goals of the Russian invasion army. What becomes visible are four main theaters starting with the “Kalmius offensive” in the south, the “Donetsk airport campaign” in the west, operation “Closing the gap” in the center and the “Northern expansion” in the north. These four offensives will be discussed in the following paragraphs, trying to understand what could be Russia’s purpose by leading them.


ATO zone, devided into Russian campaigns, January 8-9

The Kalmius offensive

After invading southern Donetsk region in late summer last year, Russian forces quickly advanced via Novoazovask and Telmanove towards the west. Not the Ukrainian army, but a natural barrier, the river Kalmius slowed down their advance, giving retreating Ukrainian security forces the time they needed to build a line of defense -behind the river. Between September an December 2014, Russian forces mainly attacked the towns and villages east and north east of Mariupol, but only very rarely the wide strip of land between the coastal town and Starobasheve.



This changed on January 3rd, when Russian invasion forces started using heavy weapons like artillery, tanks and multi launch rocket systems to launch attacks on several towns right along the river as well as Ukr-held towns and villages behind it, serving as resupply bases or simply resting areas for Ukrainian troops – and homes to thousands of civilians. These attacks intensified over the last week, expanding not only to indirect fire, but also to actual crossings of the river and attemps to flank Ukrainian troops, taking Hranitne, one of the few towns with a bridge across the Kalmius. Several Russian troops were killed during these attempts. Nonetheless, during the last 2 days, this offensive was even intensified with a double-digit number of attacks between January 8 and 9.

 

Attacking the Kalmius river (Minsk demarcation line) on the entire front bears several strategic advantages for an invasion army, not feeling bound to any signed treaties. During August and September 2014, it attempted to directly attack Mariupol, which didn’t work due to a strong buildup in Ukrainian army and National Guard troops. Later, they tried to bypass the city with the aim to encircle it, some 5-10 km north. This also miscarried. By broadening the active front line by around 60 km, Ukrainian defenders are forced to stretch thin, trying to halt any possible crossing of the river along the sparsely inhabited riverside. This is of particular importance as we are in the middle of winter and the river may freeze, allowing troops and vehicles to cross it without the need of a bridge. The riverside was until a few days ago only guarded by scattered Regiment Azov National Guard troops, being equipped with mostly light vehicles like jeeps and small arms with a few heavier weapons like T-64 tanks or ATGM to defend against attacking armored vehicles. Furthermore, the Kalmius river frontline is one of the closest to the Russian border and the main invasion hub, making it easy to resupply advancing forces from inside Russia. If Russian forces manage to push back Ukrainian defenders at only one sector of the river front, they will be able to establish bridgeheads on the left side of it, being able to directly attack cities like Mariupol or Volnovakha, which might be the final aim in this region.

 

The Donetsk airport campaign

It is no secret that Russian forces seek to entirely control Donetks airport which must feel like a sting in their meat, being a – hypothetical – direct port for attacks on the DNR’s wannabe capital Donetsk. Thus, this front was always one of the most active, also and especially during the almost 4 months of the Minsk ceasefire farce. Until December 9, Ukrainian forces defended like lions, firing back with all kinds of weapons at Russian attackers and killing up to 500 of them within a few weeks (maybe even more between late August and early December).



However then president Poroshenko decided to forbid his forces returning fire “until their lives were in acute risk” and Russian forces established launching grounds for attacks all around – and not more than 50 meters from Terminal 1 and the Tower, which are today the only installations held by the so-called “Cyborgs”, the defenders of the area. Still, all attempts by the invader to directly attack the terminal complex were fought back with huge casualties on the Russian side. This fact plus the circumstance that attacking forces are now too close to the target to use heavy weapons against it led to a final change of mind pincer movewith the attackers, deciding during the last 7 days not to cut the airport from the Ukrainian-held territory anymore but the territory from the airport, encircling it in a wide curve, forcing – then – besieged forces to surrender as for the lack of food and ammunition. Similar tactics were used successfully in Saur Mohyla and Ilovaisk in late August last year. On January 5, the Ukrainian intelligence service voiced exactly that concern, namely that a pincer movement by Russian invasion forces from Spartak and Donetsk’s Kuibyshivs’kyi district is in the planning and would have the price of the entire airport.



Such move has to be prepared, taking into account that strong Ukrainian army formations are positioned all to the north, north west and west of the airport. So Russian army artillery and missile troops started shelling not some but literally all Ukrainian held towns and villages in the three cardinal directions of the airport. As the ATO map is not able to show such concentration of fire in a meaningful way, I developed a map with the exact targets according to the Ukrainian army reports.



Thanks to the RT cam, live footage of the shelling can be seen and heard day and night, week for week, month for month. After realizing that a direct assault would be impossible and the Ukrainian-given period of time to gain strength, Russian forces seem now self-confident enough to prepare for a much wider offensive, not only trying to invade the airport, but all the Ukrainian-held front line towns around it.

Operation “Closing the gap”
debaltseveThe Ukrainian-held area leading to the important railway knot city of Debaltseve not only looks like a cut into the “self- or rather: Moscow-declared people’s republics of Luhansk and Donetsk”, it also feels like one for the both regimes and their Russian masters. At the same time, it is an obstacle in logistical terms for invasion forces, wishing to move freely between Luhansk and Donetsk city. Thus, it is a declared goal by the Russian occupation command to close that gap, if not by negotiations (as was hoped for in mid September), then by force. This target was never given up during the “ceasefire” and there was not one day without attacks on front line villages like Nikishyne. However rare footage from the area (by Graham Phillips) showed some rather poorly-equipped Russian and pro-Russian infantry troops, not being able for major offensive operations in October and November. Now, Russian forces use large caliber weapon systems like Grad missiles and even tanks, especially over the last 48 hours. This indicates, they move from “provoking” Ukrainian forces holding that front to rather serious offensive operations, possibly resulting in territorial gains and the ability to directly attack Debaltseve itself.



Northern expansion

northern luhanskLast but not least, Luhansk region remains another hot spot of Russian invasion ambitions. During the first months of the “ceasefire”, the area along the Bakhmutka highway (M04), leading from occupied Luhansk to liberated Lisiciansk was one of the most active zones of confrontation. “Russian Cossack” terrorist troops felt – seemingly against all agreements as they received multiple heavy weapons to invade Ukraine – not bound to any orders from Moscow anymore and attacked at will, capturing “Checkpoint 32″ and Smile in late October, taking more than 100 km² of Ukraine. However after this, troubles grew between those forces and the Moscow-loyal “LC (Luhansk Poeple’s Republic)” regime, resulting in battles against each other and a lull in fighting the Ukrainian army. Ultimately the most rebellious Russian commanders were either killed (January 2) or forced to return to their homeland (January 5) and the Russian army took control of all fighting forces in the area. Since then, the front is even more active and dangerous with a Russian invasion army, willing to recapture the earlier-lost territories around Severodonetsk and Rubizhne in the north west as well as Stanitsa Luhanska in the east. Especially this area would Russia give more kilometers of direct border line between its mainland and the invaded territories inside Ukraine, being a win-win situation in its perspective.



In conclusion it is simply a fact that shortly after the observed and confirmed reports of rotation and replacement of former paid mercenary forces with regular Russian army troops all across the occupied territories of Donbas, attacks on Ukrainian positions and towns as well as their deadliness have sharply increased. After those 50 attacks being shown in the map used for this analysis which took place between January 8 and 9, the following 12 hours brought another 24 attacks on Ukrainian forces, indicating that there won’t be any let up in the near future.

Russia definitely has once again turned up the heat and increases its efforts to control even larger parts of Ukraine, willing to conquer those in a brutal and way which is against international law and against all its promises to at least calm down the situation or even better withdraw its forces from Ukraine.

On the Ukrainian side – and I know, this sounds like a broken record, actions must be taken now to spoil Russia’s appetite for more Ukrainian land by letting them pay for every square meter they attack as much as possible. This might be the only way to lead it to a major decision: “Blink” once again like in the end of August and being punished with more international sanctions .. or finally come to its senses and stop its obvious efforts to illegally capture more soil of its western neighbor.

http://conflictreport.info/2015/01/09/making-sense-of-the-latest-russian-offensives-in-eastern-ukraine/

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Nothing on this in Mob Media. I wonder why, since retarded/senile Mob state department personalities are so in love with the guy




http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150109/1016706636.html

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Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has amazed the world with his knowledge of history: in his interview with the German TV channel ARD, the politician said that "all of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion into Ukraine and Germany," referring to the Second World War.
MOSCOW, January 9 (Sputnik) – Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has demonstrated his knowledge of history to the world.

On Thursday, while on an official visit to Berlin, the bespectacled young politician was interviewed live by the German TV channel ARD, where he claimed that the USSR had kicked off the Second World War by invading Germany.

"All of us still clearly remember the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany," he said. "We need to avoid it."

"Nobody has the right to rewrite the results of the Second World War," he added. "Russia's President Putin is trying to do exactly this."

Yatsenyuk, however, did not clarify what particular results of the Second World War President Putin is trying to rewrite. The TV host seemed uninterested in pursuing the matter.

Moscow has requested Berlin to clarify its position on the Ukrainian Prime Minister’s description of a Soviet “invasion” of Germany and Ukraine during World War II, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Vladimir Titov said Friday.

“We have sent a note to the German Foreign Ministry requesting its official position regarding extremist remarks made by Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, which distort history,” Titov told the press.

Prior to the Second World War, most of Ukraine, including Kiev, was part of the USSR although what was to become western Ukraine was split between Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Romania.
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Nazi Nutbag in Outer Space:

Rewriting history: Ukrainian PM Yatsenyuk says USSR invaded Germany during WWII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-i--EAfBPw
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A 120 "former" police officers from Chechnya arrived in the Donbas - new cannon fodder, possibly part of those who paraded in a stadium in Grozny not so long ago.

http://nr2.com.ua/hots/ATO_Donbass/Na-Donbass-pribyla-policiya-CHechni-87802.html

The Ukrainian military is totally useless, except for shelling

and mowing down unarmed civilians so I very much doubt that

armed troops are much of a cannon fodder for them. Much more

likely the other way around.
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A 120 "former" police officers from Chechnya arrived in the Donbas - new cannon fodder, possibly part of those who paraded in a stadium in Grozny not so long ago.

http://nr2.com.ua/hots/ATO_Donbass/Na-Donbass-pribyla-policiya-CHechni-87802.html
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BBC finds Russians fighting in eastern Ukraine

9 January 2015 Last updated at 06:34 GMT

It is eight months since the start of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, and the fighting has claimed more than 4,000 lives.

Russia has consistently denied its forces are involved, but the BBC has spoken to Russian fighters in Ukraine who talk openly about taking on the Ukrainian army.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30739110
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It looks like Ukraine is intensifying its genocidal action in Novorossia using the French terror attack as media cover.

Donetsk was shelled over 30 times today. Several buildings destroyed, including one 5-storie building that was standing since 1949, since after the rebuilding Nazi-German occupation.

11th Russian humanitarian aid convoy reached Donetsk and Lugansk today. The main cargo is food, continuing to avert mass famine of people there. There are also Christmas gifts for children of Donbass.

http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/770447



I am all against what happened in France, it's one more example that if people were independently-thinking, atheists not subject to one or another "imaginary friend" indoctrination, the world would have been a happier place.

On the other hand, I can't but help thinking about the reaction to the event and the scales:
12 people were killed killed in Paris, and the world cries in outrage, demonstrations of support are everywhere (as they should be, for example in Russia: http://itar-tass.com/en/world/770521)
Over 5000 people killed in Donabss, people burnt alive in Odessa, over 600000 driven from their homes, two 1-million-sized cities are shelled from artillery every day, several smaller cities raised to the ground, and Europe smiles benevolently, talks with the perpetrators at high summits and pretends as if it is the norm in Europe.
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Where is now the mob´s and mob media´s outrage over

A REGIME KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE ?

Remember ? It used to be their favorite advertising slogan.
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