There is a big rift in Germany between industrials who are interested
in trade and prosperity, and bankers and politicians who - at least a good
chunk of them - subscribe more to the western mob´s constant and insane
drive for destabilization and war. This is a perfect opportunity for Russia
to exploit and she has some great squeezing moves handy as I have described.
Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. - page 89. (Read 734725 times)
Now; in Putin´s shoes this is how I would play this game
1. Whine and lament and cry over the poor Ruble, sending it totally in the tank
2. Do foreign holders a big favor by dumping my massive dollar reserves and
taking the Rubles off their hands. And then:
3. Demand payments in Rubles for all energy exports to the European Union.
1. Whine and lament and cry over the poor Ruble, sending it totally in the tank
2. Do foreign holders a big favor by dumping my massive dollar reserves and
taking the Rubles off their hands. And then:
3. Demand payments in Rubles for all energy exports to the European Union.
Oliver Stone's New Movie: "Ukraine: The CIA Coup" Coming To A Theater Near You
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-stones-new-movie-ukraine-cia-coup-coming-theater-near-you
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-stones-new-movie-ukraine-cia-coup-coming-theater-near-you
Oliver Stone once said in an interview to Pozner, that he is not pro-Russian, but pro-American. And that is true, as Oliver Stone has the characteristics of Sakharov and Solzhenicin, who strongly criticized Soviet Union, but were not anti-Russian.
In the article above, there were several comments from reader "Paveway IV". What I liked about them is that he managed to keep a neutral ground, something that is difficult to do in these charged times. I'd like to quote them here:
From http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-stones-new-movie-ukraine-cia-coup-coming-theater-near-you#comment-5618239
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Ukraine is in a very interesting postion today, militarily speaking. The government does not represent Ukraine or the average Ukrainian, so the average Ukrainian has no desire to fight for them OR kill any other Ukrainians FOR their supposed government. Ukraine mass-media blew the whole flag-waving promotion thing because Ukrainians don't equate their flag or nation with the CIA-plants, NATO stooges, Jewish-Ukrainian oligarchs, neo-Nazis, Rothschild bankers and assorted foreigners that currently make up their government.
And you're not going to get a lot of ethnic-Russian or Russian-speaking soldiers to go out and kill other Ukrainians simply BECAUSE they're ethnic-Russians or Russian-speaking and/or don't like Kiev. That's like 2/3rds of the country. The Ukrainian Army would have turned on their government by now if the interior ministry thugs weren't better armed than them.
That's why the current CIA stooges running Ukraine are relying on
ZATO is insanely pissed. How can they start WWIII against Russia in Ukraine when neither Ukrainian side really exists and Putin isn't taking the bait? Everyone is on to the whole false-flag thing - that's not going to work anymore. This is bad for me, personally, because it means ZATO will have to rely on the worst possible option: move a bunch of missles close enough to Russia to force Putin to act. Once again, I have to rely on Putin to out-maneuver ZATO without resorting to Topol-Ms. One of these times, I won't be so lucky.
And you're not going to get a lot of ethnic-Russian or Russian-speaking soldiers to go out and kill other Ukrainians simply BECAUSE they're ethnic-Russians or Russian-speaking and/or don't like Kiev. That's like 2/3rds of the country. The Ukrainian Army would have turned on their government by now if the interior ministry thugs weren't better armed than them.
That's why the current CIA stooges running Ukraine are relying on
- Gangs of armed nationalist (neo-Nazi) thugs who fight for their own ends
- Private armies for pay - mercs - of the Jewish-Ukrainian oligarchs protecting their wealth and influence
- Blackwater/Xe/Academi/Greystone homicidal psychopaths that kill for fun and pay - usually for NATO
- Poles, Bulgarians, Latvians and any other unemployed and otherwise willing East Europeans
- The few Ukrainian conscripts that don't immediately dessert when assigned to the Anti-Terror Operations (ATO) area - the Donbass.
ZATO is insanely pissed. How can they start WWIII against Russia in Ukraine when neither Ukrainian side really exists and Putin isn't taking the bait? Everyone is on to the whole false-flag thing - that's not going to work anymore. This is bad for me, personally, because it means ZATO will have to rely on the worst possible option: move a bunch of missles close enough to Russia to force Putin to act. Once again, I have to rely on Putin to out-maneuver ZATO without resorting to Topol-Ms. One of these times, I won't be so lucky.
About fracking:
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Shell even (supposedly) gave up on that for now - its not worth it. Shell has a secret fifty-year exploration and production license, so they'll just sit back and wait until the ethnic cleansing is complete and oil prices recover. I'm guessing by spring or summer of 2015 per suggestions that they could only hold oil prices down until around then.
Turning the Dnieper-Donbass basin into a depopulated, bombed-out hell-hole will make it all the easier when Shell and does go back (and they will). They need to dig up a lot of farms and throw the people out of a lot of little villiages otherwise. Dead or permanently fleeing citizens save them the trouble. Hell, even Poland is offering to 'take back' ethnic Poles living in the Donbass. If it looks like the Ukraine war is a stalemate, that's because it IS - on purpose. The residents need to be driven out like rats before the fracking can start.
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/06/donbass-russians-subject-...
Israel, of course, always has their American tax-dollar funded import-a-jew program going full steam. Kind of makes sense why Israel is so quiet about Nazis running around Kiev - if the war results in new Jewish settlers to drive out Palistinians, then what's a few dead goy?
Many of those who left Donetsk, Luhansk and other rebel centers in Donbass for Israel “will never come back to Ukraine because in that particular area they will never have peace,” he said, again comparing the region to Gaza.
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-leader-compares-eastern-Ukraine-to-...
Odd because there's just not that much cheap, recoverable gas in the Dnieper-Donbass basin. There's plenty of expensive, recoverable gas - that's about it.
A response to a phrase:Turning the Dnieper-Donbass basin into a depopulated, bombed-out hell-hole will make it all the easier when Shell and does go back (and they will). They need to dig up a lot of farms and throw the people out of a lot of little villiages otherwise. Dead or permanently fleeing citizens save them the trouble. Hell, even Poland is offering to 'take back' ethnic Poles living in the Donbass. If it looks like the Ukraine war is a stalemate, that's because it IS - on purpose. The residents need to be driven out like rats before the fracking can start.
http://m.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/06/donbass-russians-subject-...
Israel, of course, always has their American tax-dollar funded import-a-jew program going full steam. Kind of makes sense why Israel is so quiet about Nazis running around Kiev - if the war results in new Jewish settlers to drive out Palistinians, then what's a few dead goy?
Many of those who left Donetsk, Luhansk and other rebel centers in Donbass for Israel “will never come back to Ukraine because in that particular area they will never have peace,” he said, again comparing the region to Gaza.
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-leader-compares-eastern-Ukraine-to-...
Odd because there's just not that much cheap, recoverable gas in the Dnieper-Donbass basin. There's plenty of expensive, recoverable gas - that's about it.
"...Your nazi friends in Kiev are IN POWER..."
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I disagree completely, angel_of_joy.
The nationalist parties in Kiev have almost no power and have never done well politically. They do pretty much run state security out of the interior ministry and make up much of the Kiev city police, but in both cases that's by design of the current criminal oligarchs to protect their own power and loot in Kiev. Pravy Sector and Svaboda are never going to win any elections, so they settled (for now) with running what is effectively the Ukrainian Stazi. They see this as a gateway to further their power and influence in Ukraine - they're not doing it out of any love or admiration for the current disposable Ukraine government. Likewise, the current Ukrainian leaders protected by the new state police ultimately see their Stazi as disposable. Useful bodyguards and muscle for now, but kept on a very short leash and ultimately liquidated when they're no longer of use to TPTB. You know that's not going to end well - it never does.
rvborgh makes a good point about the existence of separatist ultra-nationalists. They're harder to identify as 'Nazi' because they're aligned with Russian interests, but they are psychopathic ultra-nationalists all the same. A lot of the original separatist fighters have deserted directly because of the presence and influence of these ultra-nationalists on 'their' side.
It's one thing to defend your home, farm or village from Kiev's troops. It's another thing entirely to carry on what amounts to a gang war of attrition between Ukrainian state thugs and separatist ultra-nationalist thugs for no discernible benefit beyond 'owning' a depopulated and ethnically-cleansed Ukrainian Detroit. Putin is right to support ethnic Russians in the Donbass the best he can while distancing himself from the current pro-Russian separatists and their questionable motives. He would rather let the ultra-nationalists (pro-Russian or not) be Ukraine's problem, not his.
In the light of the above, many know that I called Ukrainian National Guard for "Nazional Guard". That was done to show derisive attitude to what they were doing. Now the term can be used in earnest.
As of yesterday, the military branch of Right Sector has officially become the 55th battalion of the Nazional Guard. After training they will be dispatched to Donetsk.
Oh, and Minsk agreements are down the drain... Yesterday Kiev's forces shelled Donetsk 20 times! Both events show that the Kiev coup government has got a green light from their Washington handlers to further escalate the conflict.
It´s just one of strong moves that Russia has at its disposal in this chess game.
The European central bank is dying to flood the underfunded and largely insolvent
banking system with quantitative easing which the least bankrupt part of that
system, the German one opposes. So, now is the perfect time for Russia to suspend
payment on their foreign debt. And demand payment in rubles for energy exports
to the European Union.
It doesn´t really take much. Once German banks start creaking a Lehman Bros. moment
in the next country (-ies) shouldn´t be far off.
But sometimes the threat suffices.
The European central bank is dying to flood the underfunded and largely insolvent
banking system with quantitative easing which the least bankrupt part of that
system, the German one opposes. So, now is the perfect time for Russia to suspend
payment on their foreign debt. And demand payment in rubles for energy exports
to the European Union.
It doesn´t really take much. Once German banks start creaking a Lehman Bros. moment
in the next country (-ies) shouldn´t be far off.
But sometimes the threat suffices.
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Aron Nimzowitsch, one of the strongest chess grandmasters in his time, was annoyed by his opponents' smoking. A popular, but probably apocryphal, story is that once when an opponent laid an unlit cigar on the table, he complained to the tournament arbiters, "He is threatening to smoke, and as an old player you must know that the threat is stronger than the execution.
Russia should immediately suspend energy sales to countries
that house the mob´s torture centers.
If the U.N. wasn´t headquartered in mob territory and fully mob
owned anyway, it would have called for general economic sanctions
against these countries years ago - I guess.
that house the mob´s torture centers.
If the U.N. wasn´t headquartered in mob territory and fully mob
owned anyway, it would have called for general economic sanctions
against these countries years ago - I guess.
My son born on the 21st of April... recently he said something about a mustache... I might have to keep an eye on him...
Nice piece of lunacy
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Oliver Stone's New Movie: "Ukraine: The CIA Coup" Coming To A Theater Near You
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-stones-new-movie-ukraine-cia-coup-coming-theater-near-you
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-02/oliver-stones-new-movie-ukraine-cia-coup-coming-theater-near-you
Russia to send 11th relief aid convoy to east Ukraine on January 8
http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/770280
http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/770280
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The convoy will comprise over 120 trucks and more than 1,400 tons of foodstuffs and baby food
...
Russia’s ten convoys have delivered over 13,000 tons of humanitarian aid to residents of the Donetsk and Luhansk Region since August 2014.
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Russia’s ten convoys have delivered over 13,000 tons of humanitarian aid to residents of the Donetsk and Luhansk Region since August 2014.
Kiev has a lousy colonel terrorizing civilians in the Donbass.
Maybe most of the generals have defected and what remains
isn´t of the required psychopathic motivation. Even some of
of the western mob media seems to have tentative qualms
about using hunger and terror as a weapon. Of course they
would be all up in arms and indignation if those who stood in
in the way of business interests of the western mob used such
tactics.
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Op-Ed Kiev's brutal strategy in eastern Ukraine
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-golinkin-ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-20150102-story.html
Maybe most of the generals have defected and what remains
isn´t of the required psychopathic motivation. Even some of
of the western mob media seems to have tentative qualms
about using hunger and terror as a weapon. Of course they
would be all up in arms and indignation if those who stood in
in the way of business interests of the western mob used such
tactics.
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Op-Ed Kiev's brutal strategy in eastern Ukraine
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Unfortunately, recent statements by Col. Oleksiy Nozdrachov, Ukraine's chief of military and civilian cooperation in eastern Ukraine, show disturbing signs of Kiev's attitude toward this crisis. Where the U.N. sees a looming humanitarian disaster, Kiev may see an opportunity.
Kiev's strategy, as outlined by Nozdrachov in USA Today, is to continue withholding government services from the rebel-held areas in hopes that increased suffering will turn the local population against the separatists. “This shows the population in the occupied territory that the situation under the Ukrainian government is much, much better,” Nozdrachov said. In addition, an Amnesty International report posted Dec. 24 said pro-Kiev “volunteer battalions are increasingly blocking humanitarian aid into eastern Ukraine in a move which will exacerbate a pending humanitarian crisis.”
These actions are reprehensible. Kiev, and most of the world, rightly views the petty warlords in control of Donbas as illegitimate entities. However, if a gunman takes over an office building, no police department in the United States would condone withholding basic necessities from the hostages in the hope that they would rise up and vanquish the perpetrator. Providing aid to civilians trapped in a standoff is not appeasement or negotiation with terrorists; it is a fundamental principle: preventing needless loss of life.
Kiev's strategy, as outlined by Nozdrachov in USA Today, is to continue withholding government services from the rebel-held areas in hopes that increased suffering will turn the local population against the separatists. “This shows the population in the occupied territory that the situation under the Ukrainian government is much, much better,” Nozdrachov said. In addition, an Amnesty International report posted Dec. 24 said pro-Kiev “volunteer battalions are increasingly blocking humanitarian aid into eastern Ukraine in a move which will exacerbate a pending humanitarian crisis.”
These actions are reprehensible. Kiev, and most of the world, rightly views the petty warlords in control of Donbas as illegitimate entities. However, if a gunman takes over an office building, no police department in the United States would condone withholding basic necessities from the hostages in the hope that they would rise up and vanquish the perpetrator. Providing aid to civilians trapped in a standoff is not appeasement or negotiation with terrorists; it is a fundamental principle: preventing needless loss of life.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-golinkin-ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-20150102-story.html
Angela demonstrating her preferred method of persuasion...or milking a cow?!
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2013/12/angela-merkel-is-hitlers-daughter-and.html
Exactly. Due to the lack of worthwhile loot now the western mob has lost interest.
Germany steps in.
Kyiv and Moscow to hold talks on Ukraine crisis 'as soon as possible'
Germany says Russian and Ukrainian officials have agreed to hold another meeting "as soon as possible" to find a lasting solution to the conflict in eastern Ukraine. The commitment is aimed at kick starting peace talks.
http://www.dw.de/kyiv-and-moscow-to-hold-talks-on-ukraine-crisis-as-soon-as-possible/a-18168333
Germany steps in.
Kyiv and Moscow to hold talks on Ukraine crisis 'as soon as possible'
Germany says Russian and Ukrainian officials have agreed to hold another meeting "as soon as possible" to find a lasting solution to the conflict in eastern Ukraine. The commitment is aimed at kick starting peace talks.
http://www.dw.de/kyiv-and-moscow-to-hold-talks-on-ukraine-crisis-as-soon-as-possible/a-18168333
russians killing russians =/
Enjoying the handiwork of your masters with a sickening glee, are we?
Alexander Bednov "Batman" was killed in an ambush by his own people.. some kind of power struggle?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
LNR's Prosecutor's Office suspected "Batman" battalion of torturing civilians. It's was reported by RIA Novosty, quoting the prosecutor's office.
"Batman" was killed when the republican militia (police) tried to arrest him. 8 other members of the battalion are on the list of suspects.
They are also accused of extortion and robbery.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/01/02/lugansk/
The members of the battalion, on the other hand, accuse Igor Plotnickij, head of LNR, of organising a murder of "Batman"
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/01/02/batman/
There were reports in both DNR and LNR of subversive groups, some of wich posing as resistance. My hunch, is that this is an attempt to create discord in the republic and to discredit the current government. Both republics have very strict rules for their armies, and looting or drinking of alcohol by the fighters can lead to a field tribunal and execution.
The fog of war is thick. We'll know more in the future...
There might be actually some truth to the accusations against former businessman Plotnickij. Cossacks are not entirely satisfied (to put it midly) with the current LNR leadership, accusing Plotnickij of selling the content of humanitarian aid and selling coal to Kiev:
http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/12/31/cossacks/
In times of trouble, it is sometimes difficult to discern between those who are fighting for position, power and money, and those who are fighting for the country. Ukraine anno 2014/15 is reminding of Ukraine anno 1917/18, with many groups and atamans, who are there for themselves, and no clear picture of what is going on...
Angela demonstrating her preferred method of persuasion...or milking a cow?!
Alexander Bednov "Batman" was killed in an ambush by his own people.. some kind of power struggle?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
russians killing russians =/
It´s just a little house cleaning. Nothing major.
Then they all should kill each other there. No cleaners - no problem =)
Alexander Bednov "Batman" was killed in an ambush by his own people.. some kind of power struggle?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
russians killing russians =/
It´s just a little house cleaning. Nothing major.
There is a big rift between German industry and bankers.
Needless to say the former will end up on top and Merkel
will soon be fired. After the loss of the Crimea and Donbass
there´s very little left for the western mob in Ukraine except
headaches so things should quiet down gradually into the
spring. Without anything worthwhile stealing the western mob
isn´t going to back the Kiev regime for long and its military
isn´t worth jack except for killing defenseless people so it´s a
foregone conclusion.
Needless to say the former will end up on top and Merkel
will soon be fired. After the loss of the Crimea and Donbass
there´s very little left for the western mob in Ukraine except
headaches so things should quiet down gradually into the
spring. Without anything worthwhile stealing the western mob
isn´t going to back the Kiev regime for long and its military
isn´t worth jack except for killing defenseless people so it´s a
foregone conclusion.
Alexander Bednov "Batman" was killed in an ambush by his own people.. some kind of power struggle?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
russians killing russians =/
Alexander Bednov "Batman" was killed in an ambush by his own people.. some kind of power struggle?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=645103348927507
Something very bad is going on here. Not good for novorussia.
Does anyone have more info.
German industrials are going crazy over lost Russian business
so now is the perfect time to squeeze some German banks.
The Russians should immediately announce that they´re
suspending payments on foreign debt. The European banking
situation is so pathetic that it´s enough to kick in the door
and then the whole rotten edifice will come tumbling down -
to paraphrase Uncle Dolphie.
so now is the perfect time to squeeze some German banks.
The Russians should immediately announce that they´re
suspending payments on foreign debt. The European banking
situation is so pathetic that it´s enough to kick in the door
and then the whole rotten edifice will come tumbling down -
to paraphrase Uncle Dolphie.
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