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Quote from: BADecker on July 17, 2020, 10:39:29 PM

^^^ but you can find other studies that say masks don't prevent virus transfer. Consider Ben Swann, for example - Why Face Masks DON'T Work, According To SCIENCE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8.

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Previously I had disagreed with you regarding vaccination. And this time also, I need to disagree with you.

Virus is an extremely minute organism, and even the highest quality mask may not be able to prevent it from entering your body. But that said, you need to understand how the COVID 19 virus spreads. It spreads when an infected person sneezes, or coughs. There is a study by Japanese scientists and you can refer that one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvFkQizTT4&feature=emb_title

As from this study, the virus is present in the micro-droplets which are released by an infected person. The role of the mask here is to prevent these droplets from entering the body of a healthy person. And I believe that surgical masks and N95 masks do a good job in this case.

For me, it is clear that wearing a mask can drastically reduce the chances of getting an infection. But I can agree with you if you want to say that masks doesn't guarantee 100% protection from COVID 19.

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It is so sad that the government has decided to impose a law that everyone that goes to the super markets need to wear masks.
In all other places you are not obliged to do so.
I wonder why they did that in the super markets? Maybe in order to increase the sales of Facemasks? Who knows...

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Quote from: btc_love on July 20, 2020, 08:37:22 AM

I am glad that wearing masks is not necessary in my country (or at least no one cares and no one takes this virus seriously)

What country is that? Maybe I need to have a place there.

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I am glad that wearing masks is not necessary in my country (or at least no one cares and no one takes this virus seriously)

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Quote from: KnightElite on July 19, 2020, 11:07:01 PM

It is sad to see that there are a lot of people who are not believing to what face masks can do, I also saw a video posted by NowThis where a lot of people in the United States doesn't believe that face mask are effective. I think it is the main reason why their country is the no.1 in terms of having infected person and also in terms of death related cases. It is better to wear face masks than to weak oxygen later in hospital. Our lives are matter and if we want to not get infected with other infected person, be sure that we are wearing face masks.

On free countries where the politics are polarized, like United States, there is a lot of sabotage to inflate the numbers and drive the common sense/public opinion against the establishment's targets, in this case: Trump's administration and supporters.
There are several cases of people who didn't die from coronavirus, but they were counted as if they did on the statistics. On the other hand, at strict shady countries where free of speech is limited or masked by authorities, the number os deaths is underestimated, as there isn't transparency, then it causes a false impression some countries are being very effective combating coronavirus, while others are being disastrous.

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It is sad to see that there are a lot of people who are not believing to what face masks can do, I also saw a video posted by NowThis where a lot of people in the United States doesn't believe that face mask are effective. I think it is the main reason why their country is the no.1 in terms of having infected person and also in terms of death related cases. It is better to wear face masks than to weak oxygen later in hospital. Our lives are matter and if we want to not get infected with other infected person, be sure that we are wearing face masks.

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^^^ but you can find other studies that say masks don't prevent virus transfer. Consider Ben Swann, for example - Why Face Masks DON'T Work, According To SCIENCE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8.

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Quote from: jackg on July 17, 2020, 02:08:55 PM

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I'm assuming this is just a way to boost people's confidence in crowded public spaces and then blame the ones who don't comply for the prblems that arise from the use of it...

Of couse you can blame the ones don't wearing a mask. I thought it's already well known that you don't wear facemasks to protect yourself but rather protect others from you. That's why you should also quote this from the article you posted:

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A face mask may help reduce the spread of infection in the community by minimising the excretion of respiratory droplets from infected individuals who may not even know they are infected and before they develop any symptoms.

Another scientific study that gives evidence that wearing a (surgical) face mask prevents you from spreading the virus: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

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Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals.

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Quote from: jackg on July 17, 2020, 02:08:55 PM

Quote from: BADecker on July 16, 2020, 11:40:53 AM

Face masks are good for something, I'm sure.

Most masks can provide 150L/minute of air afaik with the average person needing about 7 or 8.
Rather than linking to youtube, I'd prefer this:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/using-face-masks-community-reducing-covid-19-transmission

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Using face masks in the communityECDC TECHNICALREPORT2In theEU/EEA and the UK... There is no evidence that non-medical facemasks or other face coversare an effective means of respiratory protection for the wearer of the mask. Overall, various non-medical face maskswere shown to have very low filter efficiency(2–38%) [21]. In one study, cotton surgical masks were associated with a higher risk of penetration of microorganisms andILI compared to no masks[5].

I'm assuming this is just a way to boost people's confidence in crowded public spaces and then blame the ones who don't comply for the prblems that arise from the use of it...

I agree with you about videos. They are hype in the way that the narrator/commentator is trying to sway you by his/her acting on-screen. I wish that they would simply list the points with the sources.

Tash put up a link to a great video that has all kinds of references for reasons why masks are useless or bad for you - https://youtu.be/RBlyh96yL7Q?t=74. And I showed one by Ben Swann - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8. The Swann video twisted the point it was talking about, a little. And the Tash video didn't clearly give you links to the CDC sources for reasons not to wear a mask (or at least I missed them).

I wish all the authoritative sources were linked in an easy way to find the links. But even then, much news reporting has to do with rhetoric by the reporter, and the real sense of what is being portrayed isn't clear.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 16, 2020, 11:40:53 AM

Face masks are good for something, I'm sure.

Most masks can provide 150L/minute of air afaik with the average person needing about 7 or 8.
Rather than linking to youtube, I'd prefer this:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/using-face-masks-community-reducing-covid-19-transmission

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Using face masks in the communityECDC TECHNICALREPORT2In theEU/EEA and the UK... There is no evidence that non-medical facemasks or other face coversare an effective means of respiratory protection for the wearer of the mask. Overall, various non-medical face maskswere shown to have very low filter efficiency(2–38%) [21]. In one study, cotton surgical masks were associated with a higher risk of penetration of microorganisms andILI compared to no masks[5].

I'm assuming this is just a way to boost people's confidence in crowded public spaces and then blame the ones who don't comply for the prblems that arise from the use of it...

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Face masks are good for something, I'm sure.

Why Face Masks DON'T Work, According To SCIENCE

Quote from: http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/286696-2020-07-15-why-face-masks-dont-work-according-to-science.htm

Not only do medical masks not prevent the spread of virus, but a 1995 study proves that wearing a cloth mask can put you at greater risk for infection. Ben Swann breaks down the science.

Why Face Masks DON'T Work, According To SCIENCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8upEg-bEJ8

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Check out the '#Masks4All'. A group of scientpriests tied to the World Economic Forum. They took their photos with obviously photoshopped masks to make sure that people know that they are of the class of people who don't wear masks as do the plebeians.

Wearing a mask is an obvious form of humiliation which is why it is so funny to see Trump buckle.

NBC Caught Faking COVID Case, Immunity Passports Are Here & Trump Now Say He's 'All For Masks'

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Quote from: 5Ksana_HandMade on July 12, 2020, 05:01:55 AM

Hello! I do not buy masks, I make them and give them to children and doctors for free.

I'm seriously thinking about making mine out of fiberglass window screen... only one layer thick.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on July 11, 2020, 08:47:53 AM

How can buying and using facemasks won't help you from the coronavirus because every doctor, scientist, nurses, and other people always recommend wearing your facemasks and proper hygiene to protect yourself from the virus. The picture itself is the best proof that wearing facemasks could help you stay away from any illness and diseases.

You are wearing just a facemask while doctors and scientists wear complete PPE kits that is the difference. And many countries even don't have enough N 95 masks due to its huge demand so it is like one of the business strategies created by biggest companies.Also mentione about sanitizers, they can say 99% of bacteria will die if you use sanitizers but covid 19 isn't a bacteria right. :

Covid-19 is a poison which is developed to kill the Mankind and poisons do not have vaccine. Wearing facemask is a trend but it has not helped reduce the covid-19 cases, did it ? Facemask making companies including N95 ones are making a lot of money in this pandemic. If you buy those expensive masks, you can basically helping their business grow.

It isn't deadly as we think, humankind already faced more deadly virus than corona 19 but we are getting more warning to this virus just because governments wanted to use this as an economy reset which was already oversized since the last recession.Human kind is easy to be manipulated that is why we just follow the trend what has been shown to us like in media,social network, blah...

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Quote from: Mauser on July 13, 2020, 09:51:46 AM

Quote from: HereNow on June 06, 2020, 07:51:33 PM

That's the point of the facemasks, to protect others. That's been known since the beginning. You wear a facemask to protect others from yourself, and in turn others wear facemasks to protect you and others themselves. Then you have a holes who are inconsiderate.

100% true, the face masks are not to protect yourself - you might already have corona and don't even know it - it's only to limit spreading it to other people. Even though masks are no complete protection - they definitely help. So not wearing masks is actually a risk for other people more than yourself and should be fined.

totally agree, at this time the fear of the corona virus is the absence of any symptoms from people who have contracted the corona virus.
so that if it is not anticipated then transmission can be assured of rapid occurrence and this is terrible.

I agree that there is no exception at all for all using a sick and non-sick facemasker.
because that's one way to reduce transmission that is very terrible. that requires a high awareness to be able to use a facemasker every time you go outside the house.
of course, government officials can supervise those who do not use the facemasker to comply properly.

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Quote from: HereNow on June 06, 2020, 07:51:33 PM

That's the point of the facemasks, to protect others. That's been known since the beginning. You wear a facemask to protect others from yourself, and in turn others wear facemasks to protect you and others themselves. Then you have a holes who are inconsiderate.

100% true, the face masks are not to protect yourself - you might already have corona and don't even know it - it's only to limit spreading it to other people. Even though masks are no complete protection - they definitely help. So not wearing masks is actually a risk for other people more than yourself and should be fined.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 12, 2020, 01:34:52 AM

it will fail because nobody will ever wear it properly forever.

I don't think people (in mass) are so stupid to not know how to wear a mask. Even monkey can be trained to do it properly.

https://i.postimg.cc/3Ry13fq3/6ggggggggg.jpg

Quote from: BADecker on July 12, 2020, 01:34:52 AM

2. Any vaccine that comes out will not be tested properly. It will take well over a year to test it for safety.

Correct

Quote from: BADecker on July 12, 2020, 01:34:52 AM

Are you going to keep wearing a mask like the bubble kid, that long?

If you want to live, you'll wear it longer. Sure you are free to depart as early as you want.

Quote from: BADecker on July 12, 2020, 01:34:52 AM

3. The mask idea is new, unproven science the way it is being done. But it is being proven to not work.
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Wrong. you are either stubborn to facts or intentionally misleading ppl.

Quote from: BADecker on July 12, 2020, 01:34:52 AM

so your immune system learns what to fight, and figures out a way to fight it.

no bodies no immune systems.

Quote from: BADecker on July 12, 2020, 01:34:52 AM

Watch the bunch of videos where Del Bigtree talks to various professionals about masks https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos. Go to the site, and search on "mask." There are many short videos that show the silliness, and even the danger, of wearing masks.

Don't follow idiots.

Remember to do your research. Cheesy

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Quote from: CreativeFx on July 12, 2020, 11:21:58 AM

Saying not to wear facemask at all? I would disagree on that. We might say its totally ineffective but how about seeing it as a means of cutting down the spread of the virus. The Covid19 spread is more strengthened when individuals dont take responsibilities to what's necessary.

Pls wear a mask today. You are helping to be part of the fight against the spread. Stay Safe

Go put 5 on make sure they are extra good quality.

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