Don't Rush Whenever Posting: Cross Check and Edit before Hitting the post Button - page 2.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

Well I agree with what you say. I personally have bad english. So often I experience errors in wording. Or sometimes I have vocabulary that I usually use in my language but I can't find it in English. This made me have to think hard and start composing words that are closer to their true meaning.

And regarding reviewing the posts that have been made before being posted is indeed a step that must be taken. Especially to avoid fatal mistakes in delivery. Because missing one vocabulary word can make a different meaning than what we actually want to convey.
But there is indeed a vocabulary that is sometimes difficult to apply to English which comes from my local language. So it is difficult to fix. But we have to keep improving it so that the discussion can continue well. Because a discussion will not go well if there is an erroneous writing and makes people who read it misunderstand. This is the function of the Review button. The forum provides it for use. Because in this forum people come from different countries and languages. So sometimes there will be some things that we have to understand as long as they are within acceptable limits.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

In every writing that is meant for publication, the writer ought to really examine what they have written before they have to publish. But in this very forum, I have witnessed some serial spammers who do not write as if they are writing for public consumption. Some of them do not make sense at all. They do not also use punctuations, making it absolutely difficult for anyone to read.
Those kind of posters have reduced since the exit of 1xbet.com gambling company and I believe they will not resurface.

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How would you know that he is not cross checking every time he post? Because of wrong grammar and spelling used? FYI, if the poster is actually non-English speaker and knows nothing about grammatization and spelling, no matter how often he’ll review his post, he will still make the same errors even after posting. That is the reason why we should never start posting unless if you’ve gained sufficient knowledge on the topic or thread, and if you’re aware enough on its correct term or words that you are going to use in your discussion. Otherwise, your performance will create negative impact on you as a forum member or poster.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on August 06, 2023, 07:40:35 PM

Exactly, you have said what was in my mind. Many comments were saying if they are to edit their post before posting they should check their threads on preview before psot. Lolz, non English speakers, for the ones that the English are very bad need extra help or tools in their writings. Preview button can't be a help to them in fact they don't have anything to do with the preview button.

Don't have anything to do with Preview button, really?

Each button, each feature, each tool or software has its own functions, features and usefulness for each person and in specific situation. You always need to use Preview button and sometimes Edit button. Preview button is helpful to show your composing content and you can view it to see whether there are typos, broken table, lists etc. before posting.

Third party tools can help you to proofread your post, correct inaccuracy in vocabularies and grammar but I barely use them. A poster will come to a time with which he will mainly use the preview button.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on August 03, 2023, 06:57:05 AM

If you are non native English writer and are not too good in English from grammar to vocabularies, you need more than Preview and Edit buttons in Bitcointalk.

Exactly, you have said what was in my mind. Many comments were saying if they are to edit their post before posting they should check their threads on preview before psot. Lolz, non English speakers, for the ones that the English are very bad need extra help or tools in their writings. Preview button can't be a help to them in fact they don't have anything to do with the preview button.

All what they need is to calm down and re-read what they have written to see if there is any mistake, omissions, and there should be addition. Grammarly tool can also help them, but personal studies with good dictionary is also good for them to increase in vocabulary.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

I think there is also an app that will check for the spelling and grammar. However, the thoughts itself can't be check so it's very important if you are a non-English speaker to really check everything first.

And even if you have push the Post button, and then you find something wrong, you can easily edit it again, just saying.

Yes. Install Grammarly Keyboard and it will be a great help in checking your spelling and grammar when posting in the forum. But I also believe that you should study and improve your vocabulary too because once you’re good at it, it’s seldom to see spelling and grammar errors when you’re posting.

Nevertheless, we can always edit our first post if we see some errors on it. No one’s perfect, but at least we also try our best not to come out imperfect.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

I mean if your post really has the thought on it I dont think it is going to be marked as a shit post or something like a spam post the quality of the post depends on the thought and the information it has is it helpful something like that, In my years of posting I dont see the grammar become a big problem because usually as long as it has the thought and its understandable members are considering it unless your post is difficult to understand because of your grammar. For sure it is better to double-check your post before posting I mean I do that as well. There are a lot of members here in the forum where English is not their language so it's understandable why a lot of people here doesnt have great English or grammar.

You can just use Grammarly to help you with your grammar, it was a great tool in my opinion it changes some errors like, and in my experience it change changes some small words like it, are, to understand the thought or add and s if you forgot about something like that. So you're not going to be made as an AI, but maybe it would make the chances higher but as long as you think of the though of it it's going to be fine because AI sentences are just way too complex and perfect.

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Quote from: mk4 on July 22, 2023, 02:13:25 AM

Post don't necessarily need to be 100% grammatically correct — as long as the thread is understandable, it's good enough. But if a certain user can't really make a thread that's at least mildly comprehensible, then there's a reason why we have Local sections.

So we don't have to be 100% accurate in grammar right? English is not my native language. So I always make some mistake but my English is enough for the other person to understand what I am trying to say. Still sometimes I have to check google for spelling. (I know the word and meaning but not spelling)

I know Ai generated posts are not allowed. So can we use tools like Grammerly or Quilbot to clear out doubt about our sentences. Sometimes these tools would suggest us to use others words rather then our chosen words (better words).

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made.

With the coming of AI and the alike, I want to believe we need to see more mistakes once in a while just to prove people are human! Without mistakes then this should give a hint of a bot or AI helping in the writing ✍️ which could be a red flag Roll Eyes

Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction.

Mistakes are very much normal, but what turns a great idea into a shit post 90% of the times is the use of translators, someone will write something in their language and use tools such as Google translate just to get it into English and the message gets distorted and everything is mumble jumbled and everything gets lost in the translation, and the post will easily be tagged as trash!!!
Btw, being part of the forum isn't exclusive to native English speakers and this has gone on for years and nobody has been penalized for it, so lets no make this about being a native or not!

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Quote from: Awaklara on August 03, 2023, 07:51:13 AM

Quote from: dzungmobile on August 03, 2023, 06:57:05 AM

So most important reason why their posts are shitposts and have no quality is they have no idea for issue is in discussion.

it's not that they don't have ideas, but rather they don't know the topic. As a result, they just create a post by following the previous post. what is clear is that they lack interest in reading, that's what makes their knowledge very minimal to discuss.
shitpost problem, we just need to report a moderator if we see it in any thread. the more their posts get deleted, the more likely they will be conscious to improve the quality of their posts.

Having less understanding on the topic or the discussion itself might be an outcome of being a non-reader or being inactive in the forum. Because even if you don’t read articles online/offline, but as long as you keep exploring the forum, you will have something to learn and something to say. But still, we are not excuse from committing mistakes like grammatical errors, especially that some are obviously have poor vocabulary power. That’s why it’s always better to check your post before pressing the post button, otherwise you will be noticed by the admin by creating redundant errors.

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Quote from: ImThour on August 04, 2023, 07:08:07 PM

Why just "To Non English" users? This should be for everyone isn't it? You are saying that English speakers don't make a these mistakes when typing on a computer?

You are correct that this advice is not applicable to only non English users. A native English speaker can also make mistakes, but then the percentage of errors a non English speaker makes a mistake is a way higher than the percentage of error that an English speaker will make.

Quote from: ImThour on August 04, 2023, 07:08:07 PM

Also, don't have to be pixel perfect or word perfect. Typos are very normal and you have the option to edit whenever you want to but I understand what you were trying to point out.

There is a big difference between typographical errors and grammatically wrong sentences. The former can be done by anyone while the later is done by majority of non English users.

Quote from: ImThour on August 04, 2023, 07:08:07 PM

One should just be able to share their emotions and that will be more than enough for other person to understand, don't have to be a grammar guru. Cheesy

I agree with you. I haven't seen any crucified user because of English. People always encourage poor English users to develop and use apps like grammarly. But if a user's English is so bad that people will not understand, they should better be in the local boards.

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Why just "To Non English" users? This should be for everyone isn't it? You are saying that English speakers don't make a these mistakes when typing on a computer?
Also, don't have to be pixel perfect or word perfect. Typos are very normal and you have the option to edit whenever you want to but I understand what you were trying to point out.

One should just be able to share their emotions and that will be more than enough for other person to understand, don't have to be a grammar guru. Cheesy

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Quote from: Forever101 on August 04, 2023, 05:08:47 PM

I think the English speaking members should take caution before judging others base on their mistake.

As you have said, your suggestions are superb , this will help prevent post that have contradicting statement , confusing and misleading.

In a public forum like this, there will always be a misunderstanding among people and I believe this is because we're from different backgrounds, and have more hearing and understanding than each other and also put ourselves in other people's shoes before judging. In other to avoid any negative things it's better to follow the advice provided by the OP.

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Quote from: Sim_card on August 03, 2023, 12:37:31 PM

Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

OP, you are very correct on this topic of yours. As one needs to be careful and not rush into posting because sometimes,you might think that you post is quality enough but full of mistakes. When you use the preview method to go through it again,then you will see the errors and correct them. However if the information that you are passing can be understood by readers then it wouldn't be a problem to the forum.

Better always to proof read your sentences before you try to post something so that you will know that there's something wrong with our post and to make sure that there's no misspelled words so that it will be easy understand by other people who read it. Also we better accept peoples opinion if there's someone pointing out about posting mistakes that need to correct since by this we can improve our posting and the way we communicate with other people.

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I think the English speaking members should take caution before judging others base on their mistake.

As you have said, your suggestions are superb , this will help prevent post that have contradicting statement , confusing and misleading.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

OP, you are very correct on this topic of yours. As one needs to be careful and not rush into posting because sometimes,you might think that you post is quality enough but full of mistakes. When you use the preview method to go through it again,then you will see the errors and correct them. However if the information that you are passing can be understood by readers then it wouldn't be a problem to the forum.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

Before you make any post
1) Think about it
2) Write it down in a notepad
3) Read it slowly while looking out for grammatical errors and incorrect sentences.
4) If you think it's okay, then post it.
Non English speakers are not shit posters , they just have a hard time writing in English language. And some even use a translation software that makes matter worse.

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Quote from: Ayebabara on July 21, 2023, 05:23:56 PM

To Non English Users

Mistake is inevitable, if there is no mistake there is no correction, that is, people make mistake and through the mistake, corrections are made. Most users submit their post without cross checking the write up. So in many times omissions occurred and some ungrammatical statement occurred and English speaking users see them as trash, shit post without correction. It is better you reread you work before posting to avoid mistake. Be a good poster. Avoid mistake. But mistake is inevitable. It most come but not always.

I think there is also an app that will check for the spelling and grammar. However, the thoughts itself can't be check so it's very important if you are a non-English speaker to really check everything first.

And even if you have push the Post button, and then you find something wrong, you can easily edit it again, just saying.

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Quote from: dzungmobile on August 03, 2023, 06:57:05 AM

So most important reason why their posts are shitposts and have no quality is they have no idea for issue is in discussion.

it's not that they don't have ideas, but rather they don't know the topic. As a result, they just create a post by following the previous post. what is clear is that they lack interest in reading, that's what makes their knowledge very minimal to discuss.
shitpost problem, we just need to report a moderator if we see it in any thread. the more their posts get deleted, the more likely they will be conscious to improve the quality of their posts.

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Quote from: coupable on August 02, 2023, 06:52:21 PM

I don't think anyone thinks someone can be considered a spammer just because they make grammatical mistakes or don't review before posting.

Spammers don't care what discussions they are joining and what ideas they put into their posts as well as whether the questions already answered by other posters. So most important reason why their posts are shitposts and have no quality is they have no idea for issue is in discussion. Second, they don't have to to read, search and write an informative and helpful post. Grammar is not biggest problem.

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Especially since the forum enables review and correction even after publication.

If you are non native English writer and are not too good in English from grammar to vocabularies, you need more than Preview and Edit buttons in Bitcointalk.

Something more helpful like https://www.grammarly.com/.

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