Topic: Don't you guys think it's time for LN to have it's own (sub)section now? - page 2. (Read 1181 times)

Bump acknowledged.  I'm still sympathetic to the idea, but I think now isn't the right time.  A few thoughts come to mind as to why.  To get the aforementioned out of the way, as others have already commented, there may not be enough content to warrant a separate board yet.  

Beyond that, my primary concern is that, while many of us may be eager to see increased Lightning adoption, it's also not something that should be rushed.  I wouldn't want people to come away with the impression that just because it has it's own subforum that somehow means it's "production ready" and all set to go for mainstream adoption.  People could conceivably treat it like an official endorsement or seal of approval that the floodgates are open for the masses.  It might sound silly, but I feel like people often forget that Bitcoin itself is still, in fact, beta software.  

Lastly, the Development & Technical sub has a more strict policy on trolls than other parts of the board and it's fair to say that topics about LN always seem to attract "the usual suspects" who like to either derail the topic or fill it with FUD, so I'd rather see LN discussed there, where such behaviour isn't tolerated (inb4 oMg cEnSoRsHiPs!).

Personally, I'd say give it another year or so.  There's no doubt in my mind we'll have such a section at some point, but not quite yet.

Bump!

Great, I hope this will be a good example why we need a separate section, but as i said before is not needed to be a  designated section only for Lighting Network it can cover the other Layer 2 Protocols.

Exactly this. The twelfth page of the FAQ thread is a good example of that. Most of the questions asked there could be divided into separate threads.


Sure.

Perhaps if there was a Lightning board, then we could persuade someone from lightning to post on it. After all, some guy called Satoshi Nakamoto used to post here, and wasn't he something to do with Bitcoin in its early days?

There's four lightning network threads in the lending section too.

It shows that there is interest in the topic, and it is spread across several boards at a variety of levels. I believe that there will be more posts about Lightning, and associated projects, if they had their own home, and I would probably be one. In my opinion, Lightning is an important project for the unbanked, and others seeking an alternative to cash. It offers them a way to build a small savings account that is free from the fiat system

the only way to convince him to add a new board is to show that there are a lot of new topics in another board that are are for example pushing the discussions that are related to that board down.
for example right now there are 6 LN topics in last 5 pages of Development & Technical Discussion board (6 out of 200).
3 out of 200 in beginners and help board's last 5 pages.
2 out of 200 in bitcoin discussion board's last 5 pages.
2 out of 200 in Bitcoin Technical Support board's last 5 pages.

i don't think these stats warrant a new board.

My Zap and Eclair wallets can't connect to any addresses ending in "onion" so there is actual two halves of the LN with probably a small number of connections between the two.

Maps already have clusters of bigger nodes, so it'd look something like that perhaps with a few strands trailing off to yet more clusters.

Theymos has his own vision so something like this to happen, we need really to convince him that is the best for us and the forum and won't cause any problems for thme newbies. I've seen this before in another cases.

I already can point out the mod for the section - BitCryptex if he agrees of course

As far as I see, all people involved in this topic agreed on the necessity of such board. What is needed to have it (to convince theymos)?

That's the beauty of it: a centralized payment provider can offer centralized LN payments, but they're compatible with anyone who runs his own node at home.

Definitely!

The information is now scattered all over the forum. Easy solution: install a custodial wallet (BlueWallet, Wallet of Satoshi). Slightly less easy solution: install a wallet that lets you open a channel (Eclair). Full learning curve: install your own node.

My bad - I'm such a long term believer in Bitcoin that I haven't been able to bring myself to spend any yet.

Centralised or not, I still think it would be useful to have a board to discuss these fast payment side chains, I know I need to find out how to accept payments through Lightning.

The Lightning Network is not centralized. You're probably worried about large hubs overtaking the majority of the network in the future. I am not going to discuss it here further. There's already a long, separate thread which covers this topic (and a lot of other things ).

A lot of people seem to think that it is the blockchain that gives Bitoin its value, but it is the developed Bitcoin economy that give it security and value.The miners nodes and wallet holders provide security and basic use,but real growth id coming from the associated services such as brokers, exchanges, and derivatives traders. The 10 minute block generation average time will stop Bitcoin itself becoming a volume payment service in the global markets,but the centralised side chains lile Lightning can provide this service. I believe they are essential for Bitcoins growth in the future, and therefore it would be useful to have a discussion board for them. Not just for Lightning,but for all of the side chains. It could be a child board for Bitcoin discussion.

I'm in. I've had a Lightning Network link in my signature for a few weeks/months now with my experimental LN lending thread and more recently a lender's discussion thread. You're welcome to check them out & I'm not adverse to reopening the lending thread if there's a genuine increase in people wanting to test out the various wallets (Blue seems to be out in front unless Éclair fixes some inherent issues)

I totally sustain the idea of having a separate board for LN; furthermore, not just LN, but also other Layer 2 Protocols. So this should include, but not be limited to, Liquid, Rootstock, Drivechain or Elements.


Regarding the board now: in Romania we have a saying - the smart one builds in the summer a sleigh and in the winter a carriage. What I mean is that if a special board would be created, this sholdn't be addressed (named) only to LN. Other solutions exist or are proposed already; some may become a real product; besides, in the future others will rise.

Regarding the place of the new board, I would suggest to be placed inside Bitcoin Discussion, and not inside Dev & Tech. Most of newbies and many others don't visit that section, considering it too technical. But Bitcoin Discussion is way more frequented.

Yes.. come on @theymos make it happen dude. If we have subs for shitcoins and fucking pajeet bounties then the least you can do is set one up for LN.. come on dude what’s more important for bitcoin LN or pajeets earning $0.001 for sharing a tweet to 8 followers?

It would be beneficial to have all Lighting related stuff in one section. Few months ago when I started doing a bit more research into lighting I turned to google since browsing the forum was rather unsatisfying.

If it was up to me I would call it "Layer 2 Protocols" as mentioned in the OP since it allows inclusion of other solutions, probably even some that don't exists today.

It grows at a rate of ~1 post per day. 

Right now at least with LN topics being found in several different boards more people can be exposed to it. If all of these topics are to be corralled into one place, mostly only those who know what they're looking for will learn of the section and visit it, especially if it was to be a child-board of Dev & Tech.

edit: if it's common for newcomers to closely look through all boards and child-boards (at least those seen on the front page), then perhaps an opposite case could be made.