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Quote from: Eternad on August 08, 2022, 08:21:47 AM

This is true, What I don’t understand about LGD is why they always failed to show this consistency during TI which is the most prestigious tournament in Dota2. We know that this is same scenario last year that PSG.LGD dominates most of the major and minor tournaments yet they fall short on the finals to Team Spirit which is not that dominating on that time. We can’t deny that LGD is the most disciplined and focus team yet they still have weakness on closing a victory on finals with 5 rounds.

I think that is the problem for LGD while many European team keep some of their strategy on for TI, LGD just throw all of their strategy and play on the major. The key for Team Spirit winning is Magnus, and they only use the Magnus strategy only on TI, never played before that. That makes the other team need sometime to analyze and try to counter.

My gut says that LGD will not win this Arlington Major, Aster has a high chance to snatch this Major from LGD. Monet has been playing amazingly in this tournament.

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Quote from: vennali on August 08, 2022, 07:00:26 AM

Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I see PSG.LGD winning another Major. They are just too good when it comes to early and mid game team fights, irrespective of the draft. Team coordination is next level. With OG, Team Secret, Team Spirit etc all not have a great time. It's PSG.LGD that has remained consistent. Aster seems like the only team close to LGD but I doubt they could overcome in a 5 game affair.

This is true, What I don’t understand about LGD is why they always failed to show this consistency during TI which is the most prestigious tournament in Dota2. We know that this is same scenario last year that PSG.LGD dominates most of the major and minor tournaments yet they fall short on the finals to Team Spirit which is not that dominating on that time. We can’t deny that LGD is the most disciplined and focus team yet they still have weakness on closing a victory on finals with 5 rounds.

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I see PSG.LGD winning another Major. They are just too good when it comes to early and mid game team fights, irrespective of the draft. Team coordination is next level. With OG, Team Secret, Team Spirit etc all not have a great time. It's PSG.LGD that has remained consistent. Aster seems like the only team close to LGD but I doubt they could overcome in a 5 game affair.

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

It's a good show when you see Monet on early game manning up against pesky offlane heroes like Viper and Mars. He's one of those carries that are extremely aggressive in the early stages of the game while still being efficient on farm. Ame is just extremely efficient, and would otherwise choose to just hit the creeps instead of joining teamfights in early to mid game. Boboka is also a great support that helps Aster be mobile across the map. This team has what it takes to be on the top, but sadly they are highly inconsistent and, at times, do not really step their game up when they needed to.

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

I agree, Monet is one of the chinese carry player that can rival Ame in terms of the qualities that you mention above but he is not that consistent because I watch him many times choke when he was on VG together with Ori. Monet might performing impressive on this tournament but he is not that consistent most of the time unlike Ame which is the true carry. Team Aster might beat LGD on playoffs if they will continue to perform like what they did on bracket but I have faith they always choke on playoffs. Cheesy

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Quote from: boltz on August 07, 2022, 06:09:26 AM

I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

Looking at how both team on top of each their group, there is a huge possibility that they will meet on the final, but I think some team like Entity, and OG are still saving their strategy for final, it's not rare that OG has gone a rough in group stage but end up reaching the final stage. There are also good dark horse, like Boom that has been playing quite well, and surprising Fnatic that has been playing with 3 stand in.

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I think the only team who can stop PSG.LGD is Team.Aster and Monet as that carry player is insane in farming , map positioning and team fights but same think can be said on Ame PSG as well.

Chinese dota is on another level and we see that EU teams and EG from NA are trying to copy some drafts here and there but it seems only EG is starting to finally found their pace and style and I do want to see a game between EG and PSG but until that , final games of groups right ?

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Arlington Major Standing as of August 7, 2022

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All Chinese team is on the top spot in both group stage. And I was surprised that Fnatic still managed to have a high standing and probably securing upper bracket on playoffs depsite of the devastating visa problem that hits all there core members. TSM members on Majors including Saberlight on Entity is doing well on this tournamen. The result is beyond my expectation to be honest. Cheesy

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 05, 2022, 10:52:35 AM

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To be honest, north America was never the brightest in Dota 2, even recently some people said that they are below SEA in term of competitiveness. However, EG previously was still able to compete with EU and CIS team, but after Sumail left, seems like EG never find their best roster composition. They can't even dominate NA anymore, and definitely after losing two games in a row their chance of going to the play-off is very small.

I expect major changes in their roster if they failed to qualify in TI. Although I believe they still can participate in TI. But I also want EG to try something different next season like getting rid of Bulba and Fly and then look for replacements.

SEA always has 3 slots in the majors while NA only has 2. That says it all. But well, at least North America had 1 championship in TI, unlike the other regions. And NA is becoming more competitive again.

Agree to this, EG hero pool is very small that’s why they can be easily out drafted by there enemy even if they have the best players in there roster. I don’t think player is there problem because they are very strong individually and they already proved what there strength on previous tournaments. I think they failed to use properly all the meta and patches that’s why they are having a hard time now to compete on other team like EU and CN which is known for the best region on studying new patches.

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Quote from: icalical on August 05, 2022, 07:39:28 AM

To be honest, north America was never the brightest in Dota 2, even recently some people said that they are below SEA in term of competitiveness. However, EG previously was still able to compete with EU and CIS team, but after Sumail left, seems like EG never find their best roster composition. They can't even dominate NA anymore, and definitely after losing two games in a row their chance of going to the play-off is very small.

I expect major changes in their roster if they failed to qualify in TI. Although I believe they still can participate in TI. But I also want EG to try something different next season like getting rid of Bulba and Fly and then look for replacements.

SEA always has 3 slots in the majors while NA only has 2. That says it all. But well, at least North America had 1 championship in TI, unlike the other regions. And NA is becoming more competitive again.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on August 05, 2022, 06:47:50 AM

Quote from: boltz on August 05, 2022, 05:35:21 AM

At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

Theres something wrong with the game play of the EG right now at the first check I thought someone is missing to their team due to an issue but no they are complete and those play style is like they are giving the game to the enemy because they are saving a strategy to the TI and some of them don't want to play and show their drafts because it is already waiting after this major is the most prestigious event which is the The International 11 tons of players will make another bet and the Battle pass event of course.

To be honest, north America was never the brightest in Dota 2, even recently some people said that they are below SEA in term of competitiveness. However, EG previously was still able to compete with EU and CIS team, but after Sumail left, seems like EG never find their best roster composition. They can't even dominate NA anymore, and definitely after losing two games in a row their chance of going to the play-off is very small.

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Quote from: boltz on August 05, 2022, 05:35:21 AM

At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

Cr1t is still a great support and RTZ is still a good carry. The thing that makes EG crumble is how their decision making as a team works. Most of the time you'll see Cr1t doing solo plays while his team are taking fights on the other side of the map. They couldn't get that chemistry and team work together even though they played together for years. They seriously need to change their leadership otherwise they'll never make it to big tournaments in the future.

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Quote from: boltz on August 05, 2022, 05:35:21 AM

At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

Theres something wrong with the game play of the EG right now at the first check I thought someone is missing to their team due to an issue but no they are complete and those play style is like they are giving the game to the enemy because they are saving a strategy to the TI and some of them don't want to play and show their drafts because it is already waiting after this major is the most prestigious event which is the The International 11 tons of players will make another bet and the Battle pass event of course.

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At this point , EG don't deserve to get out of groups nor qualify for TI because let's be honest and admit , EG are playing awful and there is no salvation for them. Cr1t and RTZ should think well if they are the real trouble on that team as one wants to do something in team fights and the other one simply bails out as soon as he "think" that the fight is lost. Then , I'm thinking what's the point of FLY ? if we cannot hold them together during team fights.

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Quote from: Eternad on August 05, 2022, 02:51:00 AM

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I will start my prediction with Liquid, Otsd, LGD and as Match winner.

This parlay will be perfect if RNG didn’t get 1 game against Outsider. Teams with stand-in surprisingly manage to show a good performance even against top tier teams. Most of the teams on NA & SA are the ones messing around on this major tournament as expected since they are the weakest region.

I never thought TSMxFnatic team up will result to a good team. They are playing like they are not a newly form team. Do you think they can keep up after the group stage?

Yeah, It’s so good that I didn’t do parlay and bet ML on each matches so I’m still in profit despite Otsd draw. I was surprised how these teams work properly on crucial time like this as if they are already playing for a long time. I jot down already my mistake by underestimating these teams.

The only reason why Fnatic still working is because Jabs and DJ are very versatile players. They can follow what the TSM moves and adjust based on there gameplay. This will not work if the pos3 and pos4 are not in sync on the rest of the team. They really done a great job.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 04, 2022, 07:03:57 AM

I will start my prediction with Liquid, Otsd, LGD and as Match winner.

This parlay will be perfect if RNG didn’t get 1 game against Outsider. Teams with stand-in surprisingly manage to show a good performance even against top tier teams. Most of the teams on NA & SA are the ones messing around on this major tournament as expected since they are the weakest region.

I never thought TSMxFnatic team up will result to a good team. They are playing like they are not a newly form team. Do you think they can keep up after the group stage?

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Quote from: Jackl87 on August 04, 2022, 07:28:37 AM

Quote from: Daltonik on August 03, 2022, 01:08:03 PM

Against the background of problems for many players with visas, which is natural in the current situation, it may be worth paying attention to the teams from China who for the first time had the opportunity to perform at the PGL Arlington Major 2022.

I also think that the chinese Teams are the big favorites to win this major. A week ago or so the Riyadh masters where happening which was not a major but a invitational tournament with a 4 Million $ price pool and there the chinese teams PSG.LGD and RNG have competed against the other regions again after a few months of being limited to compete against teams of their own region and PSG.LGD won that tournament, which is a clear sign of strength and a big statement in my opinion.
PSG.LGD is already qualified for the TI though and the price money in this major is not that high so maybe they don't go all in already because they want to save some tricks for TI, so other teams like OG could also have a chance to win this one.

Actually, PSG LGD is the only chinese team right now which perform impressive amone all the chinese team. RNG is playing without there original carry so them might experience what happened to Liquid on Riyadh Master when Ana stand-in for Matu. I’m not disrespecting Ana skills but he is not capable to fight against top carry at present because he missed a lot of Dota2 action during his break period.

Good thing LGD is the best among all teams in any region.

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Quote from: Daltonik on August 03, 2022, 01:08:03 PM

Against the background of problems for many players with visas, which is natural in the current situation, it may be worth paying attention to the teams from China who for the first time had the opportunity to perform at the PGL Arlington Major 2022.

I also think that the chinese Teams are the big favorites to win this major. A week ago or so the Riyadh masters where happening which was not a major but a invitational tournament with a 4 Million $ price pool and there the chinese teams PSG.LGD and RNG have competed against the other regions again after a few months of being limited to compete against teams of their own region and PSG.LGD won that tournament, which is a clear sign of strength and a big statement in my opinion.
PSG.LGD is already qualified for the TI though and the price money in this major is not that high so maybe they don't go all in already because they want to save some tricks for TI, so other teams like OG could also have a chance to win this one.

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It's very good to parlay those first 4 matches because all them is very strong except for RNG and Fnatic which both has stand-in team from other teams. I exclude OG because CEB is part of the OG organization so they do have chemistry even though they are not playing most of the time in tournaments.

I will start my prediction with Liquid, Otsd, LGD and as Match winner.

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Quote from: Eternad on August 04, 2022, 01:45:36 AM

Fnatic finally get the players that will complete there roster for the Arlington Major event. Timado, Bryle and Dubu will substitute to all the Fnatic missing players. There reportedly playing together in the pub few weeks ago and now Fnatic already release there official line-up on there facebook page post. Without Saberlight, This team is very solid in my opinion.

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It will probably still hard for Fnatic to perform properly tho, DuBu is the only player who has played with SEA team, Timado and Bryle definitely need sometimes to adjust and adapt with how Jabz and DJ play. From what I saw on TSM, they play quite traditional DOTA while SunBhie and Jabz like to do some unorthodox experiment, I don't think Fnatic has a chance to go to the play-off stage.

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