The T1 chips! Samsung + 10nm
https://i.imgur.com/kH2SlkB.jpg
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MyRig_com/status/983872076271337472
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Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 41. (Read 87776 times)
so nobody on this forum received their T1 except a user with only 1 post?
I got my 10 in my first order: https://twitter.com/perforollc/status/981600186316226560
everyone can check testing numbers right here.
http://ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje
pool side number
Okay I got the T1 from an un named forum member. He knows I am posting and testing so if he wants to say his name that is up to him. Thank you from me to him.
my power meter is high 1655
good short term numbers. if the gear does 16.3 to 17th but pulls 1655 watts it is very close to spec.
1655/17000 = 0.0973 watts a gh
1480/16000 = 0.0925 watts a gh
you would be +5% on a hand picked unit 1,2,[3]4,5 two were better 2 were worse
https://i.imgur.com/xMJFIuf.png
the gui gives 15.71 th
now all early but the gui number means nothing ck.'s pool number is how you are paid
if the higher number at ck.'s pool stays higher then the gui then this miner is not bad at all
https://i.imgur.com/6Urx5lC.png
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http://ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje
pool side number
Okay I got the T1 from an un named forum member. He knows I am posting and testing so if he wants to say his name that is up to him. Thank you from me to him.
my power meter is high 1655
good short term numbers. if the gear does 16.3 to 17th but pulls 1655 watts it is very close to spec.
1655/17000 = 0.0973 watts a gh
1480/16000 = 0.0925 watts a gh
you would be +5% on a hand picked unit 1,2,[3]4,5 two were better 2 were worse
https://i.imgur.com/xMJFIuf.png
the gui gives 15.71 th
now all early but the gui number means nothing ck.'s pool number is how you are paid
if the higher number at ck.'s pool stays higher then the gui then this miner is not bad at all
https://i.imgur.com/6Urx5lC.png
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The mining industry is still young enough and its hardware rare enough that regulators still don't fully understand them.
I don't believe anyone thinks that you are wrong. It's just that people don't care enough to not purchase. You hit the nail on the head with the mining industry being young and crypto in general very unregulated. I believe you have made your point (many times now), but you have to accept people are not imbeciles and have spent good money based on the limited/minimal information they have available to them. It was a gamble that has paid off for some people. I do not think that many people would buy a car, no matter what promises are made or how cheap it is, from a manufacturer that has none of the accountability details you have repeatedly says. But Crypto is not the automotive industry. [Emphasis added.] [....]
Some would-be customers absolutely do care enough about these lingering, unanswered questions about Halong Mining -- enough not to purchase from it. Others are unconcerned or less concerned. I've been committed to trying to help us all uncover basic facts about Halong Mining and MyRig, Inc., and all of us should care about the truth and make the best decisions possible for each one of us. If an informed buyer wants to buy from Halong, then please have at it.
I agree with your point that buying from Halong Mining "was a gamble", but I can't say I agree with your point that the purchase "has paid off for some people." Products from Batch 1 are just reportedly getting into the hands of purchasers, and we do not know how they will perform or their failure rate. It was not disclosed to us before purchasing that the units may be used only on a limited number of pools (due to AsicBoost), so that was a material fact not advertised that limits their usage. We also do not know if Halong will honor its 6 month warranty or if it will even remain operating for the duration of the warranty period. Halong said the AsicBoost license negotiation was a reason for its pre-release secrecy, but we now see that Halong has continued to maintain its secrecy, so that has not really worked out for those purchasers, including myself, who expected to learn a reasonable degree about the company by now.
Certainly, "Crypto is not the automotive industry," as you pointedly noted, but a number of similarities exist between mining for cryptocurrency and driving an automobile:
(1) Both consume energy that have fire safety considerations that any responsible operator must consider.
(2) Both activities pose a risk to human life, especially if using a defective product.
(3) Consumers of both products must adhere to strict rules and standards when operating them or face significant liability, including fines or imprisonment. Yes, believe it or not, if you negligently operate a miner and burn your and your neighbor's house down, just as if you negligently operate an automobile, you could be guilty of manslaughter if someone is killed due to your negligence. In the case of both products, if you are operating a miner or a car from a totally anonymous manufacturer, the operator assumes a greater degree of liability since the owner is on notice that the lack of accountability or trustworthiness of the seller is a known issue.
(4) Consumers of both products care about the warranties of each, and to that extent, many purchasers care about the credibility of the party issuing the warranty. The more of each product a consumer purchases, the more he or she is going to care about the warranty and the credibility of the issuer of the warranty.
(5) Manufacturers of both products are required under law and long-standing widely accepted business norms to be accountable for their actions, including negligence (e.g., the release of a defective product) or intentional bad acts (e.g., theft of IP, or non-compliance with a patent license).
I genuinely hope it works out for purchasers of the DragonMint, including myself. It might. But then again, it might not. Time will tell. As you noted, buying from Halong "was a gamble." It remains a gamble. Regardless, one fact is inescapable: the more we scrutinize a seller, the more informed we all are -- and the better off we all are. And that is a positive step.
There are plenty of ways to find out.
First dead hashboard that someone has, lets decap one of the ASICs. There could be a name in there. They have to be proud of their work somewhere...
The PCB is good enough for me. If it was stolen or whatever they would likely have made a stink about it already...
Another good place to look would be when/where/who compiled the kernels between the products, similarities in config files, file system arrangement, etc.
Like I said, zero effort to make the boards look different. They can't really care that much if people figure it out...
I can't remember who it was, but I've seen "Stolen from xxxx" on the perimeter.
Just for anyone who looked!
First dead hashboard that someone has, lets decap one of the ASICs. There could be a name in there. They have to be proud of their work somewhere...
The PCB is good enough for me. If it was stolen or whatever they would likely have made a stink about it already...
Another good place to look would be when/where/who compiled the kernels between the products, similarities in config files, file system arrangement, etc.
Like I said, zero effort to make the boards look different. They can't really care that much if people figure it out...
I can't remember who it was, but I've seen "Stolen from xxxx" on the perimeter.
Just for anyone who looked!If halong ordered 10,000 s-9's in Jan 2017 then reversed engineered them to unlock asic boost and had innosilicon controllers
modified with the same contractor that built them for innosilicon, thus Achieving 16000th and 1480 watts at 2 pools I am fine with that.
If they kept it secret and don't want to tell us it is a mix of bitmain + innosilicon I am fine with that.
As to bitmain and or innosilicon being fine with that I guess they are as neither one of them are complaining publicly.
No one has evidence of lawsuits against them.
My hope is to see just what the gear does do.
My first T1 comes today from a forum member It is from his moq of 5 units.
He
He said it was his middle preforming one.
He got about 15.2th and 1520 watts with it.
vs 16.0 and 1480 watts.
The two items are on the truck. Due to my home today.
MY demo gear from MyRig/Yoshi is due Fri the 13th Not sure if that is good or bad luck.
For the people who's orders from batch 1 shipped - did you get an email of shipment from Halong?
I'm in Batch 2 (or maybe 3, it's hard to see on their site) and wondering if I have to check the site now and then or if they'll proactively notify me when the order status changes?
I'm in Batch 2 (or maybe 3, it's hard to see on their site) and wondering if I have to check the site now and then or if they'll proactively notify me when the order status changes?
There are plenty of ways to find out.
First dead hashboard that someone has, lets decap one of the ASICs. There could be a name in there. They have to be proud of their work somewhere...
The PCB is good enough for me. If it was stolen or whatever they would likely have made a stink about it already...
Another good place to look would be when/where/who compiled the kernels between the products, similarities in config files, file system arrangement, etc.
Like I said, zero effort to make the boards look different. They can't really care that much if people figure it out...
I can't remember who it was, but I've seen "Stolen from xxxx" on the perimeter. Just for anyone who looked!
First dead hashboard that someone has, lets decap one of the ASICs. There could be a name in there. They have to be proud of their work somewhere...
The PCB is good enough for me. If it was stolen or whatever they would likely have made a stink about it already...
Another good place to look would be when/where/who compiled the kernels between the products, similarities in config files, file system arrangement, etc.
Like I said, zero effort to make the boards look different. They can't really care that much if people figure it out...
I can't remember who it was, but I've seen "Stolen from xxxx" on the perimeter.
Just for anyone who looked! 
Here's a funny detail.
I sent Innosilicon an e-mail and said that I would like to order the T1 16Th/s Bitcoin miner.
It has over a week now and it is a total silence, no replies.
Not even an e-mail reply saying that "such product doesn't exist in our product catalog".
I sent Innosilicon an e-mail and said that I would like to order the T1 16Th/s Bitcoin miner.
It has over a week now and it is a total silence, no replies.
Not even an e-mail reply saying that "such product doesn't exist in our product catalog".
In reference to the Innosilicon T1 16TH/s SHA256 miner...
Hmmm u dont find it too coincidental that all halong algos do not coincide with inno algos? There are 4 algos now on halong as it is. Halong has similar designs with inno and all their products do not compete with inno. I dont think there will ever be concrete evidence to confirm or deny this though. We can only speculate.
Just my 2 cents speculation
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anyone received a shipping number yet for T1 Batch 2?
It should ship until the 10th of April, which is today.
It should ship until the 10th of April, which is today.
Probably get them before mine clear customs in Canada 
How long have yours been stuck in customs?
They shipped 31st March, arrived Canada on the 2nd and just cleared customs today.
In reference to the Innosilicon T1 16TH/s SHA256 miner...
Sorry guys...not trying to offend anyone here...but a prius doesn't look like a dump truck because they both have rubber in their tires. The PCB does not "look" like an Innosilicon board, they are boards from the same design. There is not one doubt in my mind! I tried to find a picture of a prius dump truck, but I guess that hasn't been invented yet.
These are the only possibilities:
-Inno doesn't make their own PCBs, they farmed it out to a contractor. Halong used the same contractor and that contractor made extremely insignificant changes to the PCB down to the fab!!! markings. If this is the case, Innosilicon is incompetent with their contract writing or got ripped off. ...And halong asked for their name to not be written on the PCB?
-Inno is Halong
-Halong is Inno
-Theft on an IP source level, which unlikely since why not lift a finger to hide the theft? In a day or two I could make the boards look pretty different! People say that they don't care if they are in possession of stolen designs, but we should care!
Some of the people here who seem the most "annoying" are on point and have made great points which should be answered.
Will the real Innosilicon please stand up, please stand up!
My guess here is that industry people know what is going on and are asking leading questions on purpose. A good take down involves an accusation, denial, tiny bit more proof, another denial, and then the smack down which forever removes all creditability. The drama with Innosilicon is far from over. The first line in this post wasn't a joke, btw...
Sorry guys...not trying to offend anyone here...but a prius doesn't look like a dump truck because they both have rubber in their tires. The PCB does not "look" like an Innosilicon board, they are boards from the same design. There is not one doubt in my mind! I tried to find a picture of a prius dump truck, but I guess that hasn't been invented yet.
These are the only possibilities:
-Inno doesn't make their own PCBs, they farmed it out to a contractor. Halong used the same contractor and that contractor made extremely insignificant changes to the PCB down to the fab!!! markings. If this is the case, Innosilicon is incompetent with their contract writing or got ripped off. ...And halong asked for their name to not be written on the PCB?
-Inno is Halong
-Halong is Inno
-Theft on an IP source level, which unlikely since why not lift a finger to hide the theft? In a day or two I could make the boards look pretty different! People say that they don't care if they are in possession of stolen designs, but we should care!
Some of the people here who seem the most "annoying" are on point and have made great points which should be answered.
Will the real Innosilicon please stand up, please stand up!
My guess here is that industry people know what is going on and are asking leading questions on purpose. A good take down involves an accusation, denial, tiny bit more proof, another denial, and then the smack down which forever removes all creditability. The drama with Innosilicon is far from over. The first line in this post wasn't a joke, btw...
Cool, so you'll have two different Halong gear for review?
Exciting news.
Exciting news.
I am thrilled to say the least.
Probably get them before mine clear customs in Canada
No so sure if the blake model will have a lot of custom issues.
The single T1 btc miner should be okay.
I setup notifications on the cell phone and email.
Just in case I need to prepay the 3% USA charges us for over $2500 items.
I get the other T1 from a forum member this tuesday.
This means I will have 2 t1's to test against each other.
@dimaze did you get stuck with a custom duty bill from dhl on the blake miner or the sha 256 miner?
I am looking forward to your review phil!
It's simple enough.
10nm
which fab?
how many masks for that 10nm?
Answers to those two will explain a lot
10nm
which fab?
how many masks for that 10nm?
Answers to those two will explain a lot
I am really interested in hearing the answer to this question. 10nm with the ASICBoost? I don't see the benefit. If you had to guess, which fab did they use or do you think the whole 10nm is fabrication?
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No so sure if the blake model will have a lot of custom issues.
The single T1 btc miner should be okay.
I setup notifications on the cell phone and email.
Just in case I need to prepay the 3% USA charges us for over $2500 items.
I get the other T1 from a forum member this tuesday.
This means I will have 2 t1's to test against each other.
@dimaze did you get stuck with a custom duty bill from dhl on the blake miner or the sha 256 miner?
The single T1 btc miner should be okay.
I setup notifications on the cell phone and email.
Just in case I need to prepay the 3% USA charges us for over $2500 items.
I get the other T1 from a forum member this tuesday.
This means I will have 2 t1's to test against each other.
@dimaze did you get stuck with a custom duty bill from dhl on the blake miner or the sha 256 miner?
Because I paid for them all, yeah - was exactly 3% of the value. It's all based on what is on the invoice. If they're sending you the free unit and the invoice shows likewise, I don't think you'll end up paying a penny. Or they may put a base value that is minimal compared to their selling value, which should be below the 2500 threshold anyways.
I think we'll end up getting them wednesday/thursday if they shipped out today based on my experience with the blakes. Exciting!
Probably get them before mine clear customs in Canada
How long have yours been stuck in customs?
Cool, so you'll have two different Halong gear for review?
Exciting news.
Exciting news.
I am thrilled to say the least.
Probably get them before mine clear customs in Canada
No so sure if the blake model will have a lot of custom issues.
The single T1 btc miner should be okay.
I setup notifications on the cell phone and email.
Just in case I need to prepay the 3% USA charges us for over $2500 items.
I get the other T1 from a forum member this tuesday.
This means I will have 2 t1's to test against each other.
@dimaze did you get stuck with a custom duty bill from dhl on the blake miner or the sha 256 miner?
I got my notification email an hour ago too. The T1
Probably get them before mine clear customs in Canada
Cool, so you'll have two different Halong gear for review?
Exciting news.
Exciting news.
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