Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 58. (Read 87857 times)

Slush is good. It might impact the privacy of the number of the miners shipped by watching the hashrate spike, but maybe you don't even care.

Any coupons for your first/previous customers in order to buy more gear? Thank you!

Slush as a default is good with me.

Drak, do both. Have supporting pools provide you with a current list of mining targets that people can easily select and add their desired address, while still having the option of being able to self-direct as well. If pool operators want some of the market share, they'll come to you guys with a nice tidy list they'll want to keep updated.

Couple of points from reading the threads:

1. FCC database doesn't get updated unless you get FCC ID (there are various different FCC certifications), which is unnecessary and we have not applied for it.

2. AsicBoost pool patches exist for eloipool, btcpool and ckpool which covers almost all of the software that existing mining pools use today. Most of the Chinese pools are powered by btcpool or custom versions of eloipool. In short, there is no barrier at all for pools to integrate version-rolling support - most of the work is done for them. However, until the DragonMints hit the street, we may not see urgency from the pool operators to upgrade.

https://github.com/luke-jr/eloipool/compare/verroll
https://github.com/btccom/btcpool/pull/57/commits/befe7becde54c83509d781302f56679a4c229516
https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool/commits/fc60b6d67f7a2aed3b7aae740469a855de4221d0

Maybe good for someone to do a patch for NOMP/UNOMP.

3. Regarding pools, undecided what we'll do regarding default pools. It may reduce support questions if we preconfigure initially. Right now focus is on shipping. Firmware defaults can be tweaked later. Open to suggestions on how to handle this. Miners in warehouse are configured for Slush at the moment.

4. DragonMint T1 is a high performance computational server for sha256d POW, so it will work on any coin that supports that algorithm - it just requires pool support, which anyone can spin up today with the above software.

Sent pm's to myrig and halongmining

that would keep bitmain happy..I suspect their data hall machines can do now asicboost openly



Well, that answers that..although I was told that they got permission to use asic boost (bitmain) by spondoolies who helped with this in some manner...(rumor)

and/or they are just doing it anyway with their china data halls....thus, I"m sure bitmain can make NEW equipment that can do ASIC boost on an open patent

if they design a chip to do such.....I bet they can open source and keep the open source on their process to do so ...and keep the rest of their stuff closed firmware

(again guessing)

brad



Ok, that catches me up on all this...and if you are correct on above ...AT LEAST it would likely mean that FUTURE Bitmain sha-256 would have this..and hell Bitmain could even
use the patent argurment to NOT do anything about past units..would be a win/win....

Again, I think IF the dragonmint folk can use this ...I see no reason on NEW equipment other manufacters would not be able to...but it is NOT in any manufactuer's interest to

do a fix of PAST units they have made....for asic boost..IF they are running data halls.....the will balk at that (again, IMHO)

It is entirely unclear to me if Halong Mining itself has actually invested $30 million. Halong Mining's website states: "Around $30 million dollars have already been spent on research, development and prototyping miners, writing software and producing small batches of silicon wafers." (Emphasis added.)

Notice the inherently ambiguous wording here. Halong Mining wrote this statement in the passive voice. Maybe Halong Mining spent that money, maybe it didn't, but Halong Mining does not state that Halong Mining spent $30 million. Halong could be referring to general industry investment in miner R&D and prototyping as it relates to AsicBoost, inclusive of Halong's investment plus the investment of others who are supporting AsicBoost. My point is Halong does not clearly state what it has spent. Halong Mining has operated so ambiguously and without a reasonable level of transparency that I do not believe we can assume Halong Mining has actually made this investment.

Regardless, we do have reason to believe that Halong Mining's sales so far have been massive, and that Halong is deep in the black on the DragonMint project -- with sales between $50 and $100 million USD (as of early February 2018). Consider this analysis from Unicornflex:


Unicornflex made its analysis by cross referencing its multiple order numbers with those of other buyers of the DragonMint, including my own order number.

ASICBOOST impacts the way the stratum mining protocol works more than the core software. Right now, core doesn't support stratum out of the box. You'd need another piece of software, like ckpool, or another stratum proxy (slushes, BFG, etc.) to translate the API calls from core into the work format that stratum uses.

You wouldn't need to change core, in other words, because that layer stays the same. The middle tier layer that's getting work and coordinating miners in a pool is what needs to be updated.

They would need to join the defensive patent thing which means that they need to open source their own patents too and they will not do that.

My understanding is if it's the overt form yes if covert no.

I think the chip is formatted with this and can't be changed. You may see a lot of used S9s on the market soon.

In reply to dragonmint...my guess is that bitmain will just add asic boost to their NEW miners as a perk...either NEW production after march/april or they will just wait with their

next generatioin..I mean as a monopoly...why p*ss in their own pool and mess up their asic boost data hall mining of such...

On a related question, IF asic boost is open source...does that mean bitcoin core with seg witness will allow such...or not?

I'm guessing Bitmain will come out with more than one new miner around March/April. There selling off everything stocked in there  warehouses to finance new R/D. That's what I would do in there place. They already know about the asicboost.

I got a feeling other pools will add the asicboost feature eventually. Maybe antpool wont though, since it is a competitor. But now i worry that they will make an S11 on a 10nm chip with this asicboost.  The problem is bitcoin price isnt moving higher to justify mining much now. The market is oversupplied. I wonder if dragonmint will recoup the 30million (accordin to their website) that they spent. If they make 1000/2000 usd profit per miner, they will need to sell 30,000/15,000 miners to break even.

If dragon goes into a price war with bitmain, they will likely lose and difficulty will increase. Miners will buy as the price goes down like in D3 case. For the D3, it was sold at 5k, 2.6k and 1.4k for last batch and i believe no one broke even. And now, the D3 is on sale for 550 usd...about 350 usd with coupon. Innosilicon has a dash miner that is twice as strong and an Litecoin miner that is 20% stronger than bitmains but the D3 and L3+ dominate due to far better pricing power. Well, lets hope dragon dont go into a price war and they recoup their investment on their other miners. Just my speculation.

I see that these are available for order not pre order, if I purchased one today when would I expect to take delivery since they do not guarantee that they will even be delivered?  


EDIT: I do see May for delivery and that is a good wait but to be expected I guess

Would be nice to get the boost out in the open and across all the pools

Hmmm it seems there is nothing stopping canaan,bitmain, innosilicon, gmo, etc from also joining this patent alliance and making a miner that is 20% faster. Since its full hash power is for btc only and it hashes at 1/4 speed without asicboost, perhaps there will be a btc miner and a sha256 miner for bch and other sha256 coins going forward.

Same

I look forward to pointing it at your pool.

The code to support it is in my public gits already. It needs to support a couple of new stratum messages and know how to handle an extra parameter on shares being returned.

Asicboost needs asic chip hardware support. As far as I'm aware, the S9 had asicboost built in but bitmain never managed to get their software support working. It's not entirely impossible that it could be made to work but bitmain have been so secretive about everything, and so incompetent in their coding that it may never happen. No other hardware as far as I'm aware has the capability so there is no way to modify it to work.

I've been talking to halong about their pool selection and it's not clear what they're going to do but they'll probably not configure default pools but come with recommendations instead. I don't see ckpool.org suddenly becoming massive from this even though it's fee free, though they did find that pretty exciting when I first told them.