Topic: DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com - page 55. (Read 87776 times)

Nah, I appreciate your trust in me and my pool, but I have no doubt it was found on Slush's pool from a T1. It would take far too much effort to orchestrate a fake version rolled block and the mask matches what Slush pool is advertising at the moment. Regular pools move very conservatively. There isn't that much burn in hashrate yet so it was fairly lucky to find a block this early on but you overestimate them 

Was it "actually with the Dragonmint" I understand it's "business" with his pool. Kinda my point. However, the publicity, may be false. You in fact know, and published, who hit the blocks in your pool. Wetsuit. We get it. Where is Slush's proof??? I follow you on Twitter, and you post who found it as a "props" to the "-ck pool"user who helped----with proof. Where is the "proof" of the SLUSH user that is a Dragonmint??? Yes, they found a block. Pfffft! Who found it??? Wetsuit found yours, Who found Slush's block??? Marketing is a game of PROOF, and suckers fall for "Big Corporate Names". I trust in you -ck, that Wetsuit found YOUR POOLS' block, but what about Flush???

Not saying there isn't a product, but the Marketing may, in fact, be a Sham. Corporate Bull Honkie!!!

I hit quite a few blocks on testnet with these quite some time ago, which rolled the version, confirming they worked fine. Halong have been sending half their burnin hashrate to slush and half to ckpool. This is, however, the first version rolled block on mainnet. Coincidentally ckpool.org found two blocks yesterday but neither were version rolled blocks as they were found by the ckpool.org core hasher who is running regular hardware. Slush did indeed find the first block then and, well, he runs a business in his pool and definitely uses publicity to his advantage - posts everywhere on twitter, reddit etc. What he did not advertise was that he was still using the early mask for rolling which we agreed to change quite some time ago, hence the *fff00 version that it rolled to, neither has he updated his documentation to reflect the BIP. Slush has a history of not really adhering to an RFC process, alas.

It's also worth noting that 1 in 4 blocks solved by these will not have a rolled version anyway.

I can tell you the factory floor is working its arse off trying to measure each board for quality, consistency, and reliability. First runs of silicon are always troublesome in this way and while there are thousands of these things already manufactured, it's taking longer than planned (what doesn't?) I'm not making any excuses for them as I've said before since I'm not invested in them, but I'm involved where possible to try and help this process on the software end. Small nm silicon is much more difficult to deal with than older technology.

It's really hard to get a simple answer for some questions.

I don't know understand why Yoshi agrees on kicking me out of the Dragonmint telegram chat.
I still see that as a act of sensorship, I'm not able to re-join the chat. So it was a permanent ban.

I don't see why my questions are so f*cking irritating to them.  

I have shown clear evidence to back my comments, I haven't posted anything based on some kind of a hunch.
Funny detail also that MyRig is now taking Innosilicon hardware for repair.  

https://imgur.com/a/1XIfL

@ Dr Mann you have a good point.

So it was the "actual Dragonmint" that found the block??? Seems very convenient. When you say "reported by Slush", is it really Slush? Or a conglomerate of business officials who control Slush Pool??? Very likely the latter, since Slush is a Corporate Entity at this point, who would like to get more users from the coattails of a new technology, from a vague company. At least,  -ck announced they were "burning in" Dragonmint miners on his pool. He hit 2 blocks yesterday, and didn't boast this blatant claim, for the purpose of beggars marketing.

In the case of Bitmain, 100% you can hold it accountable if Bitmain (hypothetically) were negligent or grossly negligent in manufacturing hardware that caused your farm to burn down.

Bitmain Inc. is a Delaware, USA corporation, a subsidiary of its Chinese parent corporation. A plaintiff can hold any Chinese company accountable in the USA, if the Chinese company has assets in the USA, or if the Chinese company has organized a USA subsidiary.

You could sue Bitmain in Delaware. Bitmain's Delaware details are here:  https://i.imgur.com/C1mV1wK.png

File Number: 5670168
Incorporation Date / Formation Date: January 7, 2015
Entity Name: BITMAIN INC.
Entity Kind: Corporation
Residency: Domestic   
State: DELAWARE

REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION
Name: COGENCY GLOBAL INC.
Address: 850 NEW BURTON ROAD SUITE 201
City: DOVER   
County: Kent
State: DE   
Postal Code: 19904
Phone: +1 302-734-1450

You could sue Bitmain in California. Bitmain's California details are here: https://i.imgur.com/k05erMO.png

File Number: C3791198
Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 05/26/2015
Entity Name: BITMAIN INC.
Jurisdiction: DELAWARE
Entity Type: FOREIGN STOCK
Status: ACTIVE

REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION
Name: ROBERT J. STEMLER
Address: 400 OCEANGATE, SUITE 1400
City: LONG BEACH
State: CA
Postal Code: 90802

Entity Address: 251 HIGH STREET, SUITE B
City: PALO ALTO
State: CA
Postal Code: 94301

Bitmain is incorporated or authorized to conduct business in numerous states within the USA, and these are just two examples. Bitmain is also authorized to conduct business or is incorporated in New York and Colorado, and likely other states as well. You could sue Bitmain in those states too.

You could sue Bitmain in Switzerland. Bitmain is incorporated in Switzerland. See: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-markets-bitcoin-china-mining/chinese-bitcoin-mining-giant-sets-up-swiss-subsidiary-idUSKBN1EZ27V

Bitmain Switzerland AG's details are here: https://zg.chregister.ch/cr-portal/auszug/auszug.xhtml?uid=CHE-384.917.561

You could sue Bitmain in numerous other countries around the world, and then seek to have the judgment enforced in Switzerland or the USA. See: http://www.mondaq.com/x/203698/trials+appeals+compensation/Enforcement+Of+Foreign+Judgments+In+Switzerland

You have the option of suing Bitmain in Mainland China, in addition to suing Bitmain in the USA, Switzerland, and other countries. A foreign company typically will not encounter any jurisdictional issues suing a Chinese company in Mainland China. Specifically, Articles 3 and 237 of the Civil Procedure Law of the People's Republic of China grant Chinese courts jurisdiction over international cases involving a foreign plaintiff against a Chinese company.

Bitmain Inc., unlike "Halong Mining", clearly complies with international business norms in terms of disclosing specifically how and where it can be held accountable. This is exactly the kind of information we must demand from Halong Mining. Unless and until it provides it, we have no reason to think it is a legitimate operation, because we have no way to hold it accountable.

There's also nothing wrong with wanting to be able to find out who or what's behind the business. I do not think what Dr.Mann is asking is out of line, especially when talking about a very large scale.

Pick on the analogy all day, but again he's not being unreasonable.

And if I Bitmain S9 burns down my farm here in the USA you really think I could hold a Chinese company accountable?

Agreed, but we must require more of Halong Mining before we can consider it legitimate. The proof also requires that Halong Mining discloses who and what "Halong Mining" is -- i.e.:

(1) where or if it is incorporated (or otherwise legally organized) such as city, state, province, and country;

(2) what is the physical address of its principal office;

(3) where can an individual, court or government deliver legal service of process in the event Halong Mining must be held accountable (hypothetically) in court for any valid causes of action (e.g., design defect, breach of warranty, theft of intellectual property or trade secrets, etc.);

These are fundamental facts about any legitimate company required when conducting due diligence.

How can a datacenter responsible to its customers, for example, co-locate the DragonMint if its FCC license is unverifiable and the "company" itself offers no proof of how it can be held accountable? Accountability shifts to the datacenter in this example because Halong Mining still fails the due diligence test, and a responsible datacenter company just can't accept any random hardware. I don't mean to spoil the party -- it's great that it looks like people will actually be receiving a functioning 16 Th/s miner, complete with drivers from -ck that appear cutting edge. I purchased several DragonMints months ago (and I admit I did so impulsively, before I conducted my usual due diligence, which I have regretted), but we still must demand more of Halong Mining. Minimum acceptable standards exist for conducting international business in this world, and Halong Mining still is not meeting them through its shady actions.

If you bought a DragonMint and plug it in, just remember you have no one you can hold accountable if it burns down your farm due to a design defect. No one. Does that bother any one else besides me?

For me the proof will be when the product is shipping normally. Not saying anything is a scam, but I will fully trust a product and it's company when it has a track record. News, pictures, 3rd hand info, etc are all great, but the proof is when you pay your money and get the product each time every time...

Well well well, look at this news:

https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000003aeeeb86c897beda31ee4ec48741828f938b7c1be5cf3d
https://twitter.com/slush_pool/status/977499667985518592

Hashrate is reported as 16th/s by Slush. So It wasn't a scam after all. Or should we wait till we see the actual product?

Oh wow. Sweet!

Yeah I really  want to test this out  like today , but no new info from MyRig/Yoshi

Until Phil or someone else that isn't Halong makes an actual review of this hardware that shows these miners actually running with substantial proof, this is fine in Mining Speculation.

Keep us updated and put the review in Hardware when you get it, Phil! Can't wait to see how the DragonMint actually mines, and the moment when people realize Halong isn't an absolute scam after all . It's been a while since anything of note that is legit has been released.

Awesome.

I'm eagerly waiting to see deep inside a DragonMint unit.  

I'm so glad it worked out great for you Phil,
thumbs up for mr. Yoshi Goto. 

Halong has not made any further contact with me after our latest messages and the retail price is too high for me,
so most likely I won't be having a DragonMint unit for a review.

Still yet to get tracking from MyRig/Yoshi , but it looks like we are very close.

cgminer api will work with halong?
all commands implemented?

Also, new setup video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQOU1PLKerk

Maybe time to move this into Hardware?

Kano said he'll support it if someone gets one and points it to a test pool so he can tune the pool's code and test ASICBOOST. I'll do that when mine arrives, if no one else beats me to it.