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Ruu \o/

So here is the explanation for why there's been so much secrecy surrounding this hardware till now.

https://twitter.com/HalongMining/status/971295384491515904

DragonMint Bitcoin miners have AsicBoost inside!

Understand this is overt asicboost protected by the open defensive patent license meaning anyone can use it, and is not harmful to the network unlike covert. Ckpool and slush have support for this as it requires explicit poolside support, new stratum extensions, and cgminer needs to be modified to work with it.

Go nuts now.

Photo from myrig twitter

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Quote from: HagssFIN on March 06, 2018, 03:15:25 PM

Yeah they have definitely decided not to show 100% of the miner conf page by zooming into the up right corner of the page,
and I think it is connected somehow to what I have noticed.

Maybe they don't want to be connected to Innosilicon after all the mess Inno has had.

The only striking difference I can see is that the font is bold on the Innosilicon version and not on the Halong one.

So frustrating how closed off they’ve been.

HagssFIN

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Yeah they have definitely decided not to show 100% of the miner conf page by zooming into the up right corner of the page,
and I think it is connected somehow to what I have noticed.

Maybe they don't want to be connected to Innosilicon after all the mess Inno has had.

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#takeminingback

Quote from: HagssFIN on March 06, 2018, 01:06:34 PM

I highly suspect that Innosilicon hardware is involved in the Dragonmint unit.

Screenshot comparison. Click to show a high-resolution image.

You definitely have a reason to suspect that! It almost looks as if, they pulled the "Innosilicon" header out of the screen
specifically for the pictures. Super sneaky, but in a super amateur way!

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Quote from: HagssFIN on March 06, 2018, 01:06:34 PM

It's March already, but Halong Mining still hasn't opened their 'curtain of secrecy'.

So I'm gonna open it a little more, this time by pointing the similar details in the software section.
I have mentioned this earlier, but now I made a comparison picture.

This screenshot which I have compared here with my Innosilicon A5 web conf page view, was originally
posted by dimaze back in January. It's a picture showing the miner web conf page view open in offordscott's laptop pc.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27812864

I've never dealt with the A5's, but the interface certainly looked very similar now that I look into that. I vaguely recall the PSU having something to do with Innosilicon as well, I think they may be partnering with them for the PSUs.

My guess is they're taking the best features out of all the interfaces and putting them together for a superior one.

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Having one of their reps close to me is assuring. Mix that with Yoshi's involvement and Drak's history, I'm feeling okay with my purchase. We'll know at the end of this month for certain!

The only concern I have is Bitmain dropping a bombshell undercutting the delivery and pricing with a combination of flooding the market in a similar time frame. The Decred Dragons having a 2.5-3.5 week lead time is much better than waiting months.

Ordered within a few minutes of it going active, it went from payment processing, paid, to actual order processing now.

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: fanatic26 on March 05, 2018, 06:58:07 PM

You can pretty easily tell that bitmain cares not at all about halong mining being a competitor. I mean just look at how they mocked Halong with https://tulipmining.com/

Bitmain is over there doing 2 billion USD a year in miner sales. They have no competition when it comes to larger customers. I mean if you have the money and rep, you can call bitmain and have 6000 s9s delivered before Halong even finishes shipping singles to people, and at a WAY better price.

Bitmain sells 3x the hashing power of all other companies combined.

But for a guy like me the most efficient power is important. The solar array spring summer power cap is about 18kwatts.

that is 160-170 th of s-9's as I know the s-9's do about .11 watts a gh at the wall.

or 240 th of dragonmints if they do 1200 watts and 16th

I need the extra 70-80th.

Most likely they will do 220th vs 170th this is meaningful for me.

HagssFIN

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It's March already, but Halong Mining still hasn't opened their 'curtain of secrecy'.

So I'm gonna open it a little more, this time by pointing the similar details in the software section.
I have mentioned this earlier, but now I made a comparison picture.

This screenshot which I have compared here with my Innosilicon A5 web conf page view, was originally
posted by dimaze back in January. It's a picture showing the miner web conf page view open in offordscott's laptop pc.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27812864

Screenshot comparison. Click to show a high-resolution image.

I also quoted my old posts here, so that the hardware details can also be compared and it's easier to get the full picture at once.

Quote from: HagssFIN on February 25, 2018, 09:28:29 AM

First guys to soon receive a Dragonmint unit, please check your machine if we can find out some more information to clear out this 'bermuda triangle' theory. Cheesy

I highly suspect that Innosilicon hardware is involved in the Dragonmint unit.

Quote from: HagssFIN on February 03, 2018, 07:40:23 PM

~~Halong Mining~~ Innosilicon DragonMint 16Th/s ?

Still haven't got any replies from Halong or Inno for my questions about this.

Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:40:16 AM

Quote from: HagssFIN on January 15, 2018, 11:04:18 AM

This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd

We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg

Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

And another design comparison here (pay attention to the controller with this image as well): https://i.imgur.com/a9sZcJa.jpg

I surely can't be the only one who sees these similiar design details?

One detail to also pay attention is that the Innosilicon control board uses reversed PWM signal for the cooling fan control.
This method is not that commonly used.
Delta TFC1212DE are cooling fans that are controlled with a reversed PWM signal.
DragonMint and Innosilicon A4+, A5 miners use these cooling fans.
This detail also supports my theory.

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Quote from: dimaze on March 06, 2018, 11:06:49 AM

They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

Wow. $10,500/pc. Think I will sit this one out. Can't imagine sending $10k+ to these guys since they have not delivered even one miner yet.

Now, you can only pray that Bitmain doesn't come out with the "DC3" (1.2th @ $2,300) to smash profits down to $30/day. That's the real risk here.

Good luck and keep us updated.

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Quote from: dimaze on March 06, 2018, 11:06:49 AM

They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

If bitmain has a response, it will be to put out functional gear, not just sell a spec sheet like Halong has done.

HagssFIN

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Quote from: dimaze on March 06, 2018, 11:06:49 AM

They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

One thing added to the list of similarities with Innosilicon -> their pricing is in the same high amount category as it was with the Inno A5. Cheesy

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They just launched a Decred ASIC - 2100GH/900w -- Shipping in 2-3 weeks

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-b29-blake256-miner/?bundle_quantity_11=1

$10499

At least shipping is free! Monero, LTC, and Ethereum payment options too.

Let's see if it makes waves like the A3 did. Will Bitmain have a response?!

I ended up purchasing some units with bitcoin. I'll let you guys know how this turns out.

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You can pretty easily tell that bitmain cares not at all about halong mining being a competitor. I mean just look at how they mocked Halong with https://tulipmining.com/

Bitmain is over there doing 2 billion USD a year in miner sales. They have no competition when it comes to larger customers. I mean if you have the money and rep, you can call bitmain and have 6000 s9s delivered before Halong even finishes shipping singles to people, and at a WAY better price.

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Yep. It's over a 15% premium and 2 months of waiting ahead of the S9s. Two months of mining is a ton of profit.

Currently, you would have to buy 13 Dragons to get 208 TH, at about 37k.
The same amount of TH would be 32k from Bitmain, 16 units. Less with coupons.

The choice is easy.

Phil, I agree they cannot win a war currently with Bitmain on pricing. The best they can do is have their gear more efficient at a slightly higher price point with similar delivery benchmarks. Unfortunately, 2 months is far too much of a premium at this point. And quite honestly, I've always had an overall high level of reliability from Bitmain. Time will tell how these units perform.

Let's see what Halong does next.

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The key for DragonMint is to price a tiny bit high and not do a price war.

Bitmain has more then 20,000 btc in 1 single address that is 200,000,000 usd DragonMint simply can not win a price war with a 16th 1200 watt miner.

As bitmain could sell s-9's for a profit at 800 usd. They got into a price war with Spondollies sp20 and dropped the s-5 down to 350 usd plus shipping .

So if they had to they could sell s-9's at well under 800. An 800 dollar s-9 looks better then a 2000 dollar dragonmint to anyone with low power cost.

If Dragonmint prices at 2300 it will still be a bit high.

https://halongmining.com/shop/dragonmint-16t-miner/

it sold out at

DragonMint 16T Miner

$2,729.00

Or will they just come back and release it at 2000.

Remember it was offered at 1400 or so back around black Friday.

To me an s-9 for 1815 (with a coupon) in March vs a dragonmint for 2729 in May

the choice = easy

HagssFIN

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So, if the first units are expected to be delivered in March 15,
in about two weeks I'm expecting all this secrecy to end and have some good information about the DragonMint miner.

I mean, all that secrecy has been pretty funny and sometimes childish so far.
Or what do you guys think about this few months ago, for example:

Quote from: promojo on December 18, 2017, 12:08:50 PM

Quote from: HagssFIN on December 18, 2017, 12:07:37 PM

400x267 pixels picture. Really?

Yup because guys like you can't go zooming in. You can clearly tell its not an S9.... Wait til the video/pictures come out. Cheers.

And I hope Phil is able to get one from Yoshi for a review.

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Quote from: dimaze on March 03, 2018, 10:10:01 AM

It begins. Bitmain's starting to undercut the price and delivery time by nearly two months.

Will Halong be able to weather the price drops and remain competitive/profitable? I think we'll find out by fall with reliability reports of the units running more than half a year from now. If they carry forward with a competitive attitude, preferably as a leader and not a follower in pricing, they'll get more market share.

It might almost be funny to see what happens if Halong is able to piss in Bitmains Cornflakes!! My money would be on Bitmain in the case of a price war!!!!

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It begins. Bitmain's starting to undercut the price and delivery time by nearly two months.

Will Halong be able to weather the price drops and remain competitive/profitable? I think we'll find out by fall with reliability reports of the units running more than half a year from now. If they carry forward with a competitive attitude, preferably as a leader and not a follower in pricing, they'll get more market share.

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Quote from: elokk on March 02, 2018, 10:10:58 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

When are the first orders expected to be delivered?

I should be getting mine soon not sure when though!!

"March 15-22 tentatively"

Not a slam..but with these units..is there any 'advantage' maybe, over Bitmain..in that they are dumping 3 months of units at the same time (pre-orders).

Curious. Again, if this stuff exists I hope you have some edge on Bitmain...price/hash/or whatever.....just asking

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Quote from: ?? on ??

When are the first orders expected to be delivered?

I should be getting mine soon not sure when though!!

"March 15-22 tentatively"

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