Topic: Duckdice.io [SCAM and SHADY behavior] - page 3. (Read 18414 times)

Seconded. Those are your coins, not ours.

I'd like duckdice to comment on this.

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Happy to see the first step being achieved, still a lot of unanswered questions though and not fully resolved, imo.

I do not personally want a penny from you. As a DT member it's part of my duty to help users who have been scammed. I'm glad you got at least your original money back.

Hello,

To be honest, I am not very happy.

1. You called me a "terrorist" when you were keeping my balance. How funny..

2. You wrote that I was only looking for a scandal. I ended up writing a scam accusations because your co-admin ignored me, some of your mods were laughing at me and you asked me to deposit again to find a solution. You really have no shame...

3. You lied to everyone because you wrote that it was the first time this sort of issue happens. But when we started talking together in PM on Duckdice, you told me that this has already happened and you never refunded anyone.
How many people were just too shy to write a scam accusation against you? You will refund them, won't you?

4. And the funniest part : you can not revert my account to 23% bonus and 9.xx BTC balance. It is just you don't want to let the players win on your website. I deposited 2 BTC, my stats are + 5.088 BTC and I should be happy to get 2 BTC after 10 days ?

I'd like to thank the great bitcointalk community. Everyone who wrote a support message/ red trust on  their account before my message, I would like to share with you a part of my unfull refund. You can send me your bitcoin addresses in PM. I will give those people some coins, because we did it all together.


 I have never been treated like that by the casino in my whole life. I strongly recommend to everyone here to avoid Duck Dice.

The case is half resolved.

You know, I am not even going to remove your rating, just make it more "accurate" as time goes on. I have my reasons for this as I will explain.

Had it not been from pressure from the community, you would never have performed this act of refunding this user BTC that was rightfully his in the amount of 2 BTC. This shows that had it not been from pressure from other users here, you would have not given the BTC back and continued to pretend like this was an attack on you and the site. While I am glad to see you refund him, I still think your actions are worthy of a (for now) permanent tag, though I will change it to show that you gave OP his money back. I also applaud you for changing the bonus system, lets see you make it fair for both you and your customer.

Waiting for proof from OP that he got his money back and I will change the rating.

Are you not able to understand that it is the criminal offense of fraud to ask me to cancel my 2 BTC bonus and then cancel my whole balance of 7 BTC?


So the more I play, the more rake I pay to your house, the more money you will steal from my balance?


While Game Protect is indeed a sad site for shady criminals like you, I have no idea what is wrong with my stats?

If you put "duckdice.io scam" into google = first page and second entry = good stats  


Wrong belief!

He clicked the |Cancel Bonus| button and never agreed to cancel his whole balance and therefore your move is juridical not valid and you have to restore his account like it was prior to clicking your fake |Cancel Bonus| button.

If you can not do this technically, then this is your fault and you have to give him 8.15 BTC or at least his 2 BTC deposit and his 5 BTC winnings.

1) According to your terms, the bonus was not part of his balance, so the 5 BTC win was solely based on his 2 BTC deposit.

2) 55x wagering of 2 BTC bonus = 110 BTC minus 23% (25 BTC) already wagered = 85 BTC left to wager to get the 2 BTC bonus

1% house edge of 85 BTC to wager = 0.85 BTC loss.  

So if you restore his account balance of 9 BTC (2 BTC deposit + 5 BTC win + 2 BTC bonus) and he will wager the required 85 BTC to get the bonus, he will statistically lose 0.85 BTC and his account balance will be statistically 8.15 BTC instead of the only 2 BTC deposit you gave him!

You will definitely regain the the community trust besides i know how good duckdice.io is.

Another player got his money back because community pushed gambling site to return money.
If there wasn't bitcointalk this guy would never see his money again.

From the very beginning of this issue, we had a principal in this case, we thought our rules were sufficient and OP attitude looked like he only wanted a scandal and not to find a solution.

Despite all this, bitcointalk community is a valuable source of information and since so many people wanted us to change our mind we decided to drop our stubbornness and trust the community.

We won't quit an idea with having deposit bonuses but will rework cancellation algorithm and conduct a detailed guide for Bonus rules. Our current Bonus rules are short now not because we want to mislead someone but because we spend lots of time on site improvements. e.g. today we've released security improvement and in a few weeks, we will introduce complete redesign.

I am really glad that you guys did the right thing . It is always great to see some of the scam accusations threads get solved and end in a good way .
Glad that OP got his money back And I  hope that members who gave you neg rating reconsider removing it after OP confirm the receive of the money .

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20368185

1. we've disabled deposit bonuses and currently working on a new algorithm based on your feedback and a new detailed and clear bonus policy.
2. we've refunded the initial deposit to Ozafejyw782 (it's already on a balance). There were people mentioning that we should revert the balance to the moment before cancellation – and this would be the easiest and acceptable solution for everyone, however (unfortunately) this is not technically possible, we just don't have this possibility.

So we believe now this issue has been resolved.

So now we got 1982dre the "Mod of DuckDice" to add to Feedback for participating in a scam?

trying to get my "stats" right

I bet my entire balance two times. Two rolls.

I win one and I lose the subsequent one.

Locked balance goes up past my balance.

I'm now forced to play.

So get your stats right before starting such sad site

Correct because if you cancel the bonus after two rolls you won't lose your whole balance. Just a small amount. The locked balance is getting bigger while rolling.

So get your stats right first before starting such sad site 

Taking the whole balance including the initial deposit doesn't make any sense either.
If you argue with logic, also use it whe determining your cancelation policy.

I concur.

7btc is a great thing to make but makes no sense in this case, the bonus was only 20% unlocked – so 5 btc is still not a profit but something you need to unlock first.

Got you here, because even after for a while it is still stated Cancel Bonus and not Cancel whole Balance!

OP should just be given 2 BTC. That was the user's intention, anyway.


Bolded is true. I'll clear up the misconception which I myself believed.

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The way it works is that the locked balance is subtracted from the player's current balance.

The locked balance increases with gross profit but does not decrease with any losing wagers. What this means is that if someone bets their entire balance twice, winning and losing, then upon cancellation the locked balance will be greater than their current balance thus resulting in the entire balance being wiped.

If they donate anything to charity, it should be from the 7btc the user was ahead. If the user isn't refunded his 2btc deposit and they use that to donate to charity, i will never adjust or remove my rating.

Their bonus terms were flawed and 100% in the houses favor. They are blatantly trying to screw you as a player if you accept the bonus. If your bonus is cancelled and you lose all your balance, then that shouldn't even be given as an option.

You're just here to defend them, gotcha.

We said it was unethical, and it still is.
They were not just not clear, they were not existent.

Yet it happened.

Once again, not relevant to this case.
Sure, it avoids future incidents, but what happens with this one?

I had comment already a lot if times in this issue. It's not me who made up the rules. Is this the best way for the bonus? I don't know, but that's how it worked.

The point is that everyone talking about that's made up to scam users. That's not the case here. Maybe the rules weren't that clear but it was never the intention to scam users with it.

As mention earlier is DD gonna stop the bonus for now so it won't happen again.