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Quote from: John Abraham on May 08, 2023, 03:20:44 AM

For Gambling, I can choose other games as well. There are a bunch of popular games that I can try without actually knowing how it works. I remember I started playing slots without knowing how it pays.

There might be many gamblers who don't know how it works but like to wager over particular slot so it doesn't matter a lot because we just want to see how much lucky we are in that bet or say in gambling.You just pick a slot like when we try new one we don't have idea about it but when we start playing we know about it and build a taste for them.But all is dependent on luck in these slot based games.

Actually , In slots ? we need nothing to know but only how to bet and we are good to go , because the winning will come your way when there is a luck,
not like card games and other forms that we need a complete knowledge if we wanted to have bigger chance to win.
and specially if we are playing in reliable and legit casino like Duelbits.com in which we can play blindly as our funds will surely safe.
luck game like slots are mostly for beginners and those who only wanted so kill time in gambling.
but the totality are seeking for more risky but good return games and gambling , and many are now loving sportsbetting.
I remember when Duelbits first release here in forum that they offer that Dueling that I manage to win from the free bets.

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Quote from: worle1bm on May 08, 2023, 04:14:56 AM

Quote from: John Abraham on May 08, 2023, 03:20:44 AM

For Gambling, I can choose other games as well. There are a bunch of popular games that I can try without actually knowing how it works. I remember I started playing slots without knowing how it pays.

There might be many gamblers who don't know how it works but like to wager over particular slot so it doesn't matter a lot because we just want to see how much lucky we are in that bet or say in gambling.You just pick a slot like when we try new one we don't have idea about it but when we start playing we know about it and build a taste for them.But all is dependent on luck in these slot based games.

Yeah, more on how a gambler chooses and plays with the luck that they are aiming to have during the game.

I see your point that gambler are just playing and trying to see if luck will help them to hit the big combinations and win decent
amount from the slot, whatever behind the game is something that a gambler will mind after playing or maybe after winning,
they will pick game and provider and will see if they are lucky. There are no secret patterns, but more on how luck will work
and let you make that big win.

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Quote from: worle1bm on May 08, 2023, 04:14:56 AM

Quote from: John Abraham on May 08, 2023, 03:20:44 AM

For Gambling, I can choose other games as well. There are a bunch of popular games that I can try without actually knowing how it works. I remember I started playing slots without knowing how it pays.

There might be many gamblers who don't know how it works but like to wager over particular slot so it doesn't matter a lot because we just want to see how much lucky we are in that bet or say in gambling.You just pick a slot like when we try new one we don't have idea about it but when we start playing we know about it and build a taste for them.But all is dependent on luck in these slot based games.

In general, you don’t need to understand the full mechanics of the slot since it will display automatically on how you win every spin. Bankroll management is the only thing players needs to consider on playing such games. As you mention already that slots is a luck based game. It’s still important to choose a that have a good RTP to make sure that you will have a bit of advantage since a 1% to 2% difference on RTP can give a huge impact if you are playing long game.

Popular providers sometimes decrease their RTP since they knew that many player plays with their slot even if they adjust a bit the RTP. Normal players won’t notice the changes due to excitement so make sure to keep an eye on it.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 08, 2023, 03:20:44 AM

For Gambling, I can choose other games as well. There are a bunch of popular games that I can try without actually knowing how it works. I remember I started playing slots without knowing how it pays.

There might be many gamblers who don't know how it works but like to wager over particular slot so it doesn't matter a lot because we just want to see how much lucky we are in that bet or say in gambling.You just pick a slot like when we try new one we don't have idea about it but when we start playing we know about it and build a taste for them.But all is dependent on luck in these slot based games.

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Quote from: FanEagle on May 07, 2023, 01:54:55 PM

I feel like it is exactly similar to learning anything else. You learn the cards, you learn what is better than the other thing, you learn the odds, you learn basically whatever people teach you, like for poker, there are poker courses and it teaches all you need to know, there are beginner level classes at first, but then you can do advance as well if you want to.

There is nothing humans cannot learn which was invented by another human. It's all about the seriousness and interest. I did not bother to learn card games or take them too seriously because I don't live with friends. I meet them once in a while. My family members don't like card games because they believe I can start gambling. Well, They don't know I can gamble on the Internet. This is not the main reason. I didn't take it that seriously because all my friends lived in different cities because of their Jobs. So, I didn't find enough time to spend with them so I could enjoy and learn.

For Gambling, I can choose other games as well. There are a bunch of popular games that I can try without actually knowing how it works. I remember I started playing slots without knowing how it pays.

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I can understand why those which may like blackjack may think the basic strategy is too restrictive as it basically tells you what to do each and every time, but at the end this is a matter of preference, as I suppose there are many gamblers out there which may like the challenge of using the basic strategy exactly as they should as they want to minimize the house edge they face, and in this way increase the amount of time they can gamble.

This is similar to what we see in video games, in which some players just want to get some fun, even if it is not the most efficient way to do things, while other players strive for perfection on each and every game.

This is why I only deposit what I can afford to lose when playing blackjack. I experience a frustrating loss before by following basic strategy. More upsetting is I didn’t enjoy the game because I missed opportunity to win if I didn’t follow the guide. This is what I’m talking about, it’s better to lose based on your own decision rather than lose using a guide that you have no control over the decision.

I recover my loss on sports betting since I can analyze each of my bet properly instead of playing blackjack with the aim for a perfect game that always lead to a disastrous lose on my side.

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Not only how to use it but how it sync with the card on the flops. As I was saying, if your card does not sync with the card on flops then it is useless no matter how strong it is in the beginning. Obviously player can bluff, but it does not work most of the time especially when we are facing a player directed by an AI, lol.

It really sucks when you have a very strong hands such as pair of Ace then it didn’t connect on the flop while you already committed on your bet. It feels like heaven will especially if the flops can be connected on flush or straight. Grin

and even in real table game we can feel the frustrations when we are holding a strong set of cards but beaten by opponents or the banker .
have played many times that has this outcome and yes I can feel you there lol.

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AI is less of our concern because casino will detect any 3rd party software being use by the player due to its consistent behavior pattern. I think normal player will not dare to use it because some casino have a strict rule with regards of using software to take advantage on the casino games.

actually What I believe he mentioned about AI player is the game provider , and yes it is our concern because we are playing against AI when in Online casino because it is indeed Directed by an AI because we are not dealing with another real person when we played.

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Quote from: Beparanf on May 07, 2023, 02:32:19 PM

As a blackjack player. Basic strategy is indeed will give you a little bit decrease of house edge but still not enough to have a high accuracy win. Online casino continuous shuffling removes the possibility to have a high advantage against the casino. Basic strategy on Blackjack sometimes just a way to have a consistent decision making but removes the freedom of having some fun playing the game because you are playing in pattern and not through your decision. Sometimes I don’t follow basic strategy especially if I knew what’s all the cards being dealt already.

For example there’s already a lot of 10’s cards already dealt while my hand is 12 while dealer is 13 or 12. I usually hit instead of stand because there’s a high chance that low card is on the deck.

I can understand why those which may like blackjack may think the basic strategy is too restrictive as it basically tells you what to do each and every time, but at the end this is a matter of preference, as I suppose there are many gamblers out there which may like the challenge of using the basic strategy exactly as they should as they want to minimize the house edge they face, and in this way increase the amount of time they can gamble.

This is similar to what we see in video games, in which some players just want to get some fun, even if it is not the most efficient way to do things, while other players strive for perfection on each and every game.

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Not only how to use it but how it sync with the card on the flops. As I was saying, if your card does not sync with the card on flops then it is useless no matter how strong it is in the beginning. Obviously player can bluff, but it does not work most of the time especially when we are facing a player directed by an AI, lol.

It really sucks when you have a very strong hands such as pair of Ace then it didn’t connect on the flop while you already committed on your bet. It feels like heaven will especially if the flops can be connected on flush or straight. Grin

AI is less of our concern because casino will detect any 3rd party software being use by the player due to its consistent behavior pattern. I think normal player will not dare to use it because some casino have a strict rule with regards of using software to take advantage on the casino games.

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Quote from: babygun on May 07, 2023, 12:01:56 PM

There are some more hand games that it is not only based on luck to win. If you know the basic strategy in blackjack; when to hit a card, when to not hit, when to split your doubles, when to double your stake you reduce the house edge to 0.5%.

As a blackjack player. Basic strategy is indeed will give you a little bit decrease of house edge but still not enough to have a high accuracy win. Online casino continuous shuffling removes the possibility to have a high advantage against the casino. Basic strategy on Blackjack sometimes just a way to have a consistent decision making but removes the freedom of having some fun playing the game because you are playing in pattern and not through your decision. Sometimes I don’t follow basic strategy especially if I knew what’s all the cards being dealt already.

For example there’s already a lot of 10’s cards already dealt while my hand is 12 while dealer is 13 or 12. I usually hit instead of stand because there’s a high chance that low card is on the deck.

Quote from: babygun on May 07, 2023, 12:01:56 PM

In poker it also depends what tournament you are playing. Before I used to play a lot of freerolls but in the end that is not fun as everybody just bets crazy or goes all in all the time.

Freerolls sucks. People doesn’t care on their stacks so there’s a lot of crazy shit decision like this. Grin

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Blackjack do also has a lower house edge than the rest of the games while I don't know if how much is the house edge on poker but if you are a skillful poker player, you have a good chance of beating the house. These two games are still best if played in offline especially poker because there are methods in poker which only works IRL. Hunting high multiplier and hunting for the jackpot are seem close enough.

I don't play card-related games because I don't understand how they work. But I remember I tried to learn how to play card-related games with my friends, and I ended up learning a little. But that was a long ago, and I don't remember what I've learned. Whenever our friend circle meets on any occasion, they don't miss the chance to play card games. Unfortunately, I cannot join them because I don't know how to play. So, I end up scrolling social media while they play.

I feel like it is exactly similar to learning anything else. You learn the cards, you learn what is better than the other thing, you learn the odds, you learn basically whatever people teach you, like for poker, there are poker courses and it teaches all you need to know, there are beginner level classes at first, but then you can do advance as well if you want to.

After that, it is just all about using what you learned and gaining experience, just because you studied doesn't mean you will just purely make profit, even the professionals loses sometimes, but they do overall win that is why they are professionals. So after learning and after gaining experience, you will be able to beat most amateurs, and as long as you play online, there will be plenty of amateurs to play against and you will be able to make a profit.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 05, 2023, 07:10:17 AM

Yes, things like this do look simple, but it's hard to do. Again, we hope more for luck even though we play in games that have a skill base. Maybe for some people this is something different, I mean their opinion will differ from what I have to say. But again, I just follow something that I like without making me dizzy or even emotional. Yes, one of them is by playing as I said before. This is a form I enjoy the game.

Even if you are playing skill based games you need to be lucky in that also so you win the game.There are many chances where you can turn bad game into winning one also with your skills but still you need to be lucky.Suppose you have bad hand in poker but you have skills to bluff still you need to be lucky that others close or have even bad cards from you so there are many cases like this.

True that, luck also play a huge part in a skill based game and one example is sports betting when a person bet on the heavy favorite but then got an upset win. Another example is poker game where you can have a strong start but eventually the card on the flop does not align with you card giving the weaker hand of the opponent win.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 06, 2023, 10:14:32 AM

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

I assume poker is the game that you are discussing on this subject. In poker, It’s useless to have a better card if you didn’t knew how to use it. Let’s say you have a pair of Aces but you raise immediately your bets due to your excitement which other players already knew that you have a good hand. They will just fold if they have a bad hand since they don’t have any bet on the table.

I play many user like this on online poker tournament and it’s easy to determine when will I bluff or fold due to their bet pattern signal. There good cards is useless if they can’t catch huge due to their premature raise.

Not only how to use it but how it sync with the card on the flops. As I was saying, if your card does not sync with the card on flops then it is useless no matter how strong it is in the beginning. Obviously player can bluff, but it does not work most of the time especially when we are facing a player directed by an AI, lol.

I don't think anyone plays without knowing what they are playing, moreover it is a card game, of course they have the ability, well at least they know how to play even though their card reading is still a mess. Maybe there are people like that, but they are beginners who have just played in gambling. But what we are discussing here are people who have the ability or know how to play.
Knowledge of how to play, but if we want to win then luck must be on our side. We can bluff, but our opponents won't be fooled just like that, especially if they have good cards.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on May 06, 2023, 12:43:27 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 06, 2023, 10:14:32 AM

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

I assume poker is the game that you are discussing on this subject. In poker, It’s useless to have a better card if you didn’t knew how to use it. Let’s say you have a pair of Aces but you raise immediately your bets due to your excitement which other players already knew that you have a good hand. They will just fold if they have a bad hand since they don’t have any bet on the table.

I play many user like this on online poker tournament and it’s easy to determine when will I bluff or fold due to their bet pattern signal. There good cards is useless if they can’t catch huge due to their premature raise.

I agree with you that in playing poker you need to have the ability, and I believe that in poker game luck is only a small part, the rest is our expertise in calculating the opportunities and cards that are owned to get victory or destroy the pattern of other peoples games, because to be honest When playing poker we can predict correctly if we can calculate well.

A person's pattern and behavior when getting an excellent card arrangement tends to do the number of bets, we can see that that is an indication that needs to be aware of.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on May 06, 2023, 12:43:27 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 06, 2023, 10:14:32 AM

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

I assume poker is the game that you are discussing on this subject. In poker, It’s useless to have a better card if you didn’t knew how to use it. Let’s say you have a pair of Aces but you raise immediately your bets due to your excitement which other players already knew that you have a good hand. They will just fold if they have a bad hand since they don’t have any bet on the table.

I play many user like this on online poker tournament and it’s easy to determine when will I bluff or fold due to their bet pattern signal. There good cards is useless if they can’t catch huge due to their premature raise.

There are some more hand games that it is not only based on luck to win. If you know the basic strategy in blackjack; when to hit a card, when to not hit, when to split your doubles, when to double your stake you reduce the house edge to 0.5%. In poker it also depends what tournament you are playing. Before I used to play a lot of freerolls but in the end that is not fun as everybody just bets crazy or goes all in all the time.

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Quote from: so98nn on May 06, 2023, 10:51:19 AM

We used to have poker competitions hosted all the time and in every tourney, there were at least 4-5 players who mastered their bluffing skills. You won't believe many times I had to fold just because the opponent was raising their stakes with such high confidence and even though I had the best hand, I just had no option but to fold.

With an ever-increasing number of players, you do not understand if someone is bluffing or not. I wouldn't call it a skill, bluffing is just bluffing. Anyways, we also had couple of legendary players who beat such guys too. Used to have lot of fun and won amazing chips.

The only games where you need pure luck is the slots. Wink

With increased players it's hard to find and build up strategies but still there are players who are good at it.You also need good timing and understanding about how the opponent is playing and have to judge whether he's bluffing or not.So we all have different approach and thinking about gambling and yes slots are completely luck based where you can't do anything else then wagering your amount seeing whether you are lucky or not.

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Quote from: worle1bm on May 06, 2023, 03:06:35 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 05, 2023, 07:10:17 AM

Yes, things like this do look simple, but it's hard to do. Again, we hope more for luck even though we play in games that have a skill base. Maybe for some people this is something different, I mean their opinion will differ from what I have to say. But again, I just follow something that I like without making me dizzy or even emotional. Yes, one of them is by playing as I said before. This is a form I enjoy the game.

Even if you are playing skill based games you need to be lucky in that also so you win the game.There are many chances where you can turn bad game into winning one also with your skills but still you need to be lucky.Suppose you have bad hand in poker but you have skills to bluff still you need to be lucky that others close or have even bad cards from you so there are many cases like this.

True that, luck also play a huge part in a skill based game and one example is sports betting when a person bet on the heavy favorite but then got an upset win. Another example is poker game where you can have a strong start but eventually the card on the flop does not align with you card giving the weaker hand of the opponent win.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 06, 2023, 10:14:32 AM

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

I assume poker is the game that you are discussing on this subject. In poker, It’s useless to have a better card if you didn’t knew how to use it. Let’s say you have a pair of Aces but you raise immediately your bets due to your excitement which other players already knew that you have a good hand. They will just fold if they have a bad hand since they don’t have any bet on the table.

I play many user like this on online poker tournament and it’s easy to determine when will I bluff or fold due to their bet pattern signal. There good cards is useless if they can’t catch huge due to their premature raise.

Not only how to use it but how it sync with the card on the flops. As I was saying, if your card does not sync with the card on flops then it is useless no matter how strong it is in the beginning. Obviously player can bluff, but it does not work most of the time especially when we are facing a player directed by an AI, lol.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 06, 2023, 10:14:32 AM

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

I assume poker is the game that you are discussing on this subject. In poker, It’s useless to have a better card if you didn’t knew how to use it. Let’s say you have a pair of Aces but you raise immediately your bets due to your excitement which other players already knew that you have a good hand. They will just fold if they have a bad hand since they don’t have any bet on the table.

I play many user like this on online poker tournament and it’s easy to determine when will I bluff or fold due to their bet pattern signal. There good cards is useless if they can’t catch huge due to their premature raise.

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Quote from: worle1bm on May 06, 2023, 03:06:35 AM

Even if you are playing skill based games you need to be lucky in that also so you win the game.There are many chances where you can turn bad game into winning one also with your skills but still you need to be lucky.

Gambling is all based on luck no matter game it is. Poker and sports betting was heavily influenced by analytic skills yet gambler still needs luck in able to become successful on this field since we are playing with chances.

Quote from: worle1bm on May 06, 2023, 03:06:35 AM

Suppose you have bad hand in poker but you have skills to bluff still you need to be lucky that others close or have even bad cards from you so there are many cases like this.

The idea of bluffing is to make your opponent believe that you have the highest combination in the game not to wish that the opponent have weak hands. No one will bite on your bluff if the opponent have weak hands because they will automatically fold. Real Bluff will enter once the three face up card already reveal because that’s the time you will need to establish your hands image.

We used to have poker competitions hosted all the time and in every tourney, there were at least 4-5 players who mastered their bluffing skills. You won't believe many times I had to fold just because the opponent was raising their stakes with such high confidence and even though I had the best hand, I just had no option but to fold.

With an ever-increasing number of players, you do not understand if someone is bluffing or not. I wouldn't call it a skill, bluffing is just bluffing. Anyways, we also had couple of legendary players who beat such guys too. Used to have lot of fun and won amazing chips.

The only games where you need pure luck is the slots. Wink

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 05, 2023, 07:10:17 AM

Yes, things like this do look simple, but it's hard to do. Again, we hope more for luck even though we play in games that have a skill base. Maybe for some people this is something different, I mean their opinion will differ from what I have to say. But again, I just follow something that I like without making me dizzy or even emotional. Yes, one of them is by playing as I said before. This is a form I enjoy the game.

Even if you are playing skill based games you need to be lucky in that also so you win the game.There are many chances where you can turn bad game into winning one also with your skills but still you need to be lucky.Suppose you have bad hand in poker but you have skills to bluff still you need to be lucky that others close or have even bad cards from you so there are many cases like this.

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

Well, you are very right, and using a card example is also very perfect.
To add, people who really good at playing cards, indeed need luck to get some really good card, with out those good card, it still will he hard for them to win because even their good skill will be frustrated by their lack of good cards.
Then on the other hand, someone who is not really good at playing card games, could end up having some really good cards, but because he or she is not skilled on how to make good use of those cards, It is also very possible that he or she could end up losing the game, in this case, it's no longer luck that wasn't on his side, but he's lack of skill caused him to loose.

This is why it is important for us to acquire good playing skills first, then leave every other thing to luck.

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Quote from: worle1bm on May 06, 2023, 03:06:35 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 05, 2023, 07:10:17 AM

Yes, things like this do look simple, but it's hard to do. Again, we hope more for luck even though we play in games that have a skill base. Maybe for some people this is something different, I mean their opinion will differ from what I have to say. But again, I just follow something that I like without making me dizzy or even emotional. Yes, one of them is by playing as I said before. This is a form I enjoy the game.

Even if you are playing skill based games you need to be lucky in that also so you win the game.There are many chances where you can turn bad game into winning one also with your skills but still you need to be lucky.Suppose you have bad hand in poker but you have skills to bluff still you need to be lucky that others close or have even bad cards from you so there are many cases like this.

Yes, that's what I mean, how great are your skills at playing cards, for example, if you're unlucky, then you won't get a card that benefits us in the game. Meanwhile, if we are lucky, if our skills are mediocre then the game will be in our favor. Luck is the main factor in gambling so that we can win the game, and this must also be supported by our calm, for example so that we don't get carried away by emotions while playing. Because if emotions overwhelm us then our game will look chaotic.

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