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legendary
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hero member
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Because crypto now is super popular and highly regulated in some countries Casinos or Exchange that are related to crypto would be asked by the government to do KYC for one or two reasons like anti money laundry services
Casinos now have a license so it will be regulated by a country, for example if you play at a casino that is not licensed, do you want to play there? Of course not! because we want to play at a legal and regulated casino.
Now there are rules in the TOS maybe almost all casinos have anti-money laundering in their casinos if this happens and is allowed by the casino then the regulation will sue or stop the service from operating, so one of the prevention of money laundering with AML / KYC.

There are few individual choose to select those unregulated casino since their main issue is KYC and they can't trust yet the service of those regulated casino. But for sure once they realize how risky it is to gamble on a casino that has not been regulated since any time the owners could shutdown their service without people knowing for sure they are the one who decide to come with those regulated ones then select the most reputable among them all. Since its really stressful to gamble on something we are not sure and confident that our funds is safe at all times.  We can expect that KYC became a normal requirement on each casino since maybe this how they comply on AML policies.
hero member
Activity: 1498
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Because crypto now is super popular and highly regulated in some countries Casinos or Exchange that are related to crypto would be asked by the government to do KYC for one or two reasons like anti money laundry services
Casinos now have a license so it will be regulated by a country, for example if you play at a casino that is not licensed, do you want to play there? Of course not! because we want to play at a legal and regulated casino.
Now there are rules in the TOS maybe almost all casinos have anti-money laundering in their casinos if this happens and is allowed by the casino then the regulation will sue or stop the service from operating, so one of the prevention of money laundering with AML / KYC.
legendary
Activity: 2254
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The mentioned situation is good reason why VPN has been discourage to use since there are people take advantage on situation by using that tool. But there are ways for casino to detect multi accounting that's why they are now open for usage of VPN  as long as the user is not using this for bypassing banned region on their casino which has been discussed for multiple times. I myself like to use VPN on some cases since it make us safe especially if we are in public areas. But much better if we not use it if there's no threat or anything that can bother us since maybe a casino will be trigger to verify if we are the real user of the account if there are always changes on IP or anything that can they think suspicious happening on our account.
Players who use VPN to cheat casinos, for casinos it is not difficult to find users who abuse casinos. Our concern for players who use VPNs for certain reasons is justified although not all players have the intention to do so in the negative opinion we are talking about.

Rather than using a VPN to avoid being published when in a public area, I am more interested in using TOR.
Well, when it comes to people doing all they know they can to preverse their online privacy, I think many people are already used to VPN, coupled with the fact that not very many people actually know about Tor.
For example, myself have known VPN I think for ages, but never heard of Tor or knew what it meant or was meant for, until 2017 when I become an established user on this forum, and as it was for me back then, it could as well be same for some people out there, Tor is actually one privacy browser, or should I call it a network, that only those who are balls deep into the internet knows about.

VPN also is still a good choice, but like I Will always say, only the paid ones are actually good enough to use for accessing online gambling casinos, since the paid ones always provide a dedicated IP address for the user, much better than the free once where more than 100 persons can be accessing or surfing the web under one same IP address, which is completely not good when we talk about the safety of users accounts
legendary
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There's no need to be upset

which insights? can you share a little bit more?

tracking is essential so we can learn with our mistakes and our right decisions, as well as to have a clear picture of where you are now.
when you track you only keep notes on amount of the bet and odds or you track something else like how you felt that day, what was your process to decide, so forth and so on?

So I kept track of all my sport bets that I placed. I would place single bets, parlays of 2-5 bets combined, various sports…After keeping track I found that I should not bet on certain sports (mainly basketball) and that placing single bets was the most profitable for me in the long end. So I rarely make any more parlays and try to find value single bets with odds of 1.6 or higher.

I always see a lot of people betting on multiples, especially the more experienced bettors, or those with a larger bankroll
I realized that it depends a lot on the type of sport or championship you're betting on

For example, most of my bets are single bets, betting on a win or a draw, simple like that
But in the Portuguese championship I found a great opportunity to place multiple bets, I've managed to win quite a few bets, so in this case, the multiple works well

Sometimes I bet on the number of goals, but it depends a lot on the type of match and the teams involved

Tracking your bets is an excellent way to maximize your profits and see where you are losing to avoid more mistakes




that's nice to hear @babygun thanks for sharing
do you use any software or technique to analyse the data or simply excel/spreadsheets?



multiple bets is a strategy that work for some but I find it much harder because you need more precision and higher win rate to be able to profit with it

number of goals is usually an easier one to get right, nice rdluffy
hero member
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The mentioned situation is good reason why VPN has been discourage to use since there are people take advantage on situation by using that tool. But there are ways for casino to detect multi accounting that's why they are now open for usage of VPN  as long as the user is not using this for bypassing banned region on their casino which has been discussed for multiple times. I myself like to use VPN on some cases since it make us safe especially if we are in public areas. But much better if we not use it if there's no threat or anything that can bother us since maybe a casino will be trigger to verify if we are the real user of the account if there are always changes on IP or anything that can they think suspicious happening on our account.
Players who use VPN to cheat casinos, for casinos it is not difficult to find users who abuse casinos. Our concern for players who use VPNs for certain reasons is justified although not all players have the intention to do so in the negative opinion we are talking about.

Rather than using a VPN to avoid being published when in a public area, I am more interested in using TOR.
hero member
Activity: 770
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The only reason that's make sense to use VPN is the local ISP block the casino, in order to make sure they're not from restricted countries is ask to verify their account. But this can be solved if the casino has several mirror sites, unfortunately Duelbits currently not have it.

Yes this is very true all centralized things are sooner or later gonna implement KYC back then Only a few CEX implemented KYC but now there is so much and almost all Centralized Exchanges are mandatory to do KYC.
Yep, Kucoin, Bybit and OKX already ask KYC. A decent CEX that didn't force to submit KYC is only MEXC right now.

legendary
Activity: 2170
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Okay, so we will not store big funds in a casino if we are not complying to the KYC yet. But, what if the situation happened that we are too lucky and we won a huge amount of money, like $10,000 in a casino and our account are not KYC verified? What do you think will happen? Can we claim it? How?

KYC = Law.  That's it, if a casino is not govern by law, they should not impose KYC.
It is what we know. Casinos usually have their ToS to force users to do KYC if a user want to withdraw huge valued fund. You win big, ok, finish KYC and withdraw your money.

I read some cases like this and personally, if I choose a trusted casino to play on, I trust them at beginning, so if I win big, I will not hesitate to submit KYC and withdraw my money.

Problems are from new and small casinos with unknown reputation but it raises a question, why I choose a brand new casino to play on then feel fearful to lose money and my identity documents?
hero member
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Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.
Casinos and exchanges (centralized platforms) are the same.

They will not do KYC if they are not scam and abuse KYC card to steal user money.
They will not do KYC if they are not forced to do this by existing regulations in countries where they have their business licenses.

As users, we can not avoid KYC if they add KYC to their Terms of Service, AML procedure. So we have to avoid to store big money on any platform if we know about this risk and don't want to KYC.

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts

KYC is not a bad term from a platform if they do it because of national, regional regulation but to avoid unwanted troubles, don't store all or big fund on any centralized platform is a golden rule for yourself.

Okay, so we will not store big funds in a casino if we are not complying to the KYC yet. But, what if the situation happened that we are too lucky and we won a huge amount of money, like $10,000 in a casino and our account are not KYC verified? What do you think will happen? Can we claim it? How?

KYC = Law.  That's it, if a casino is not govern by law, they should not impose KYC.
copper member
Activity: 1988
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Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.

Remember this is my own assumption how casinos in the future will require your identity.

Yes this is very true all centralized things are sooner or later gonna implement KYC back then Only a few CEX implemented KYC but now there is so much and almost all Centralized Exchanges are mandatory to do KYC.

Because crypto now is super popular and highly regulated in some countries Casinos or Exchange that are related to crypto would be asked by the government to do KYC for one or two reasons like anti money laundry services
legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 3858
Farewell o_e_l_e_o
Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.
Casinos and exchanges (centralized platforms) are the same.

They will not do KYC if they are not scam and abuse KYC card to steal user money.
They will not do KYC if they are not forced to do this by existing regulations in countries where they have their business licenses.

As users, we can not avoid KYC if they add KYC to their Terms of Service, AML procedure. So we have to avoid to store big money on any platform if we know about this risk and don't want to KYC.

Reminder: do not keep your money in online accounts

KYC is not a bad term from a platform if they do it because of national, regional regulation but to avoid unwanted troubles, don't store all or big fund on any centralized platform is a golden rule for yourself.
hero member
Activity: 1498
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Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.
In a way I can understand that gamblers want to keep some of their privacy with the use of VPNs, but while this could have been possible years ago, this is no feasible anymore.

So either gamblers accept this fact or stop gambling altogether, as casinos with the increase on the number of customers, they have attracted the attention of regulators, and now they have to implement policies to identify their clients and keep track of their identities, something that I am sure not even casinos like, but they have to agree with that in order to get their casino license.
Yes the centralized platform will still ask you to KYC at some point even though some still don't KYC now, we know casino regulations are now strict so one day KYC will become mandatory.

In the past how exchanges did not implement KYC but now almost all exchanges implement it, so my own thinking is that gambling will also be the same in the future so to maintain privacy will be difficult later.

But now just live what we do in the casino, the fact is there are still many casinos that tolerate users who do not do KYC but are still free to play so I still enjoy this now.

Remember this is my own assumption how casinos in the future will require your identity.
hero member
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The major reasons why casinos do not allow use of VPNs is;
1. They are used by many abusers and multiaccounts to register and claim welcome bonuses
2. They are used by players from banned countries

In most cases, very few people with good intentions would use a VPN on a casino they know can ask for KYC verification at any time. If someone really values they privacy very much, then there is no reason they should be registering in a centralized casino in the first place.
I don't know what else to say after reading the two main reasons people use VPN because in my opinion the use of VPN is for these two reasons, although I have no right to claim without any basis.

That's why I oppose using a VPN to respect privacy even though playing by complying with existing provisions is better for comfort.
If our casino rules include people coming from prohibited countries, forcing ourselves to play using a VPN won't be good either.

The mentioned situation is good reason why VPN has been discourage to use since there are people take advantage on situation by using that tool. But there are ways for casino to detect multi accounting that's why they are now open for usage of VPN  as long as the user is not using this for bypassing banned region on their casino which has been discussed for multiple times. I myself like to use VPN on some cases since it make us safe especially if we are in public areas. But much better if we not use it if there's no threat or anything that can bother us since maybe a casino will be trigger to verify if we are the real user of the account if there are always changes on IP or anything that can they think suspicious happening on our account.
hero member
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The major reasons why casinos do not allow use of VPNs is;
1. They are used by many abusers and multiaccounts to register and claim welcome bonuses
2. They are used by players from banned countries

In most cases, very few people with good intentions would use a VPN on a casino they know can ask for KYC verification at any time. If someone really values they privacy very much, then there is no reason they should be registering in a centralized casino in the first place.
I don't know what else to say after reading the two main reasons people use VPN because in my opinion the use of VPN is for these two reasons, although I have no right to claim without any basis.

That's why I oppose using a VPN to respect privacy even though playing by complying with existing provisions is better for comfort.
If our casino rules include people coming from prohibited countries, forcing ourselves to play using a VPN won't be good either.
legendary
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Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.
If the casino allows the use of VPNs, none of their users should experience problems with their accounts because of their use, I mean honest players because it cannot be denied that allowing the use of VPNs can be abused by their users who cheat to create multiple accounts because they want to abuse deposit bonuses or other promotions that they know will increase the chance of making a profit if done with multiple accounts.

Honest players certainly use VPN for privacy purposes only or to bypass blocks from cellular providers because this is also experienced by many players from my country, not to bypass restrictions on the list of countries that are not allowed to play at the casino, because this is very risky and will cause problems in the future.
hero member
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I mean when you think about it, VPN is a risky move by any gambler and if they use it then the yare very well aware that they could be asked about it later on as well. It is not a shock that if you are using VPN then some casino may ask you about it, you are not using it and then get shocked that you get asked about it, you know the possibility even before you start it anyway.

So, it should not really be all that shocking at all. We should be considering this as a normal part of the situation. This is why I believe that when this happens, gamblers who react to it are either faking it, or very newbie in the crypto gambling world. Because anyone who has been around, knows that this will eventually happen to you as well if you use VPN.

The use of VPN is only trivial if you are using it to hide your restricted country but if it’s not then there’s nothing wrong on using because you are not breaking the casino ToS with or without VPN. The use of VPN always cause a confusion to many user here despite there’s already a lot of thread and official answer regarding this matter.

Casino knew if you are using VPN. They typically investigate on your account if you have a questionable gambling activity that usually connected to VPN such as hiding your IP due to multiple account, restricted country or bonus abuse. It’s just VPN is always being use by cheater that’s why it’s always involved in every issue in the casino but that doesn’t mean is the use VPN per se is bad.
legendary
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VPN should not trigger as a way of cheating, they should simply put in the TOS that using a VPN is prohibited. What's the business of the casino for knowing where we are gambling, I'm sure they are also doing some security measures for their website, and for us gamblers, we value our privacy so we choose to use VPN during our session, but it was not intented to defraud the casino.

Everyone should look on the TOS, it should be specific, otherwise, it will create confusion which in the end not good for a casino as peopel would symphatize on their fellow gamblers.
VPN can be a first trigger of a platform to investigate more about suspicious accounts but I agree with you that VPN is not a main cause why one account is accused by any platform as cheater.

If a platform makes such accusation, they surely have more evidence about that account activities and links with other accounts too like betting style, time of bets, favorite tournaments and more.

VPN can be a trigger, one of causes but not only or the main reason.
I mean when you think about it, VPN is a risky move by any gambler and if they use it then the yare very well aware that they could be asked about it later on as well. It is not a shock that if you are using VPN then some casino may ask you about it, you are not using it and then get shocked that you get asked about it, you know the possibility even before you start it anyway.

So, it should not really be all that shocking at all. We should be considering this as a normal part of the situation. This is why I believe that when this happens, gamblers who react to it are either faking it, or very newbie in the crypto gambling world. Because anyone who has been around, knows that this will eventually happen to you as well if you use VPN.
hero member
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I have a friend and he plays at a crypto casino which is quite well known also on this forum, he was told to complete KYC just because he wanted to withdraw tens of dollars, obviously that is worrying for a crypto casino like that, why only tens of dollars can ask for KYC to its users, as cheap as Is that assessing someone's privacy, while KYC is still annoying for many gamblers who want to play anonymously and maintain their privacy, even though I still think it's safe, I still feel bad for my friend because I invited him to play on that site but it was difficult.

I'm not really happy with using a VPN because not all sites support it, that's why I prefer to gamble at my house rather than outside the house because in my opinion forcing myself to gamble outside the house using a VPN is definitely not fun either, that's why my friend has been since that incident. he no longer wants to gamble at crypto casinos which I think is a bit annoying to ask for KYC on users who only play or withdraw tens of dollars, I think crypto casinos should think again about that and change their systems or regulations so as not to lose many users.
KYC isn't about how much money you have, you deposit or your winnings, but this also related to cheaters or abusers. Who knows if your friends is a cheater or abuser? a casino can close many accounts even they didn't made any deposit, because the casino know the accounts were operated by a same person and he try to make money from the promotion.

Well, you can gamble outside without need to use VPN. IPv4 will not always be same even you're always access the site from the same place, so you don't have to worry.
legendary
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But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.
I have a friend and he plays at a crypto casino which is quite well known also on this forum, he was told to complete KYC just because he wanted to withdraw tens of dollars, obviously that is worrying for a crypto casino like that, why only tens of dollars can ask for KYC to its users, as cheap as Is that assessing someone's privacy, while KYC is still annoying for many gamblers who want to play anonymously and maintain their privacy, even though I still think it's safe, I still feel bad for my friend because I invited him to play on that site but it was difficult.

I'm not really happy with using a VPN because not all sites support it, that's why I prefer to gamble at my house rather than outside the house because in my opinion forcing myself to gamble outside the house using a VPN is definitely not fun either, that's why my friend has been since that incident. he no longer wants to gamble at crypto casinos which I think is a bit annoying to ask for KYC on users who only play or withdraw tens of dollars, I think crypto casinos should think again about that and change their systems or regulations so as not to lose many users.
sr. member
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Even if the casino allows VPNs then this can lead to problems, we know that sometimes in the casino TOS rules do not mention that VPNs are friendly but that is not the case sometimes we often find cases that problems start from VPNs because now the casino system is strict so they know whether this is cheating or not.

But I think back when you play with VPN it will be safer not more than $500 if the withdrawal is more than that then it will be a problem, this is my personal assumption because I read some other complaints outside the forum they say that.
In a way I can understand that gamblers want to keep some of their privacy with the use of VPNs, but while this could have been possible years ago, this is no feasible anymore.

So either gamblers accept this fact or stop gambling altogether, as casinos with the increase on the number of customers, they have attracted the attention of regulators, and now they have to implement policies to identify their clients and keep track of their identities, something that I am sure not even casinos like, but they have to agree with that in order to get their casino license.

I think that is the trend we are seeing indeed and it will not be stopping anytime soon. I don't think the ask for KYC is always related to the license as most casinos have a Curacao license and what is the real value of that (Efialtis from BTCGOSU wrote some pieces about that). I have no problems with submitting KYC to reliable casinos.
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