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Quote from: sovie on March 19, 2022, 06:43:52 AM

Quote from: btc78 on March 19, 2022, 06:31:07 AM

This is an normal attitude of cheaters and some those paid FUD to bring a good casino down.

Also, I have the impression that it is not a coincidence that someone is spamming the forum with accusations in this way. After all, it is easy to understand that it is enough to do 1x wagering to safely withdraw money. If it's done smart, it can be done with really minimal risk. In this case, it seems the OP didn't even want to try. I would not like to accuse, because there is no evidence of it, but for me such behavior is very suspicious.

If the casino will try to scam, they will go for a bigger amount, not a 545 USD only. Anyway, I am a bit confuse why this thread has not move to the scam accusation board, probably because OP's evidence is not sufficient enough?

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Quote from: btc78 on March 19, 2022, 06:31:07 AM

This is an normal attitude of cheaters and some those paid FUD to bring a good casino down.

Also, I have the impression that it is not a coincidence that someone is spamming the forum with accusations in this way. After all, it is easy to understand that it is enough to do 1x wagering to safely withdraw money. If it's done smart, it can be done with really minimal risk. In this case, it seems the OP didn't even want to try. I would not like to accuse, because there is no evidence of it, but for me such behavior is very suspicious.

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Quote from: jossiel on March 18, 2022, 07:56:55 PM

Quote from: perla on March 18, 2022, 05:09:27 PM

It is quite normal that you have to make a wager when you have made a deposit on a gambling site. I'm sure Duelbits really isn't going to scam people. They have a huge budget for their campaign and promotions, signature campaign has also been active since they have been on the forum. If we summarize the story, the op has gambled his money, without being forced to do so. There's little you can do about that. Maybe other casinos would have handled it differently, but that's irrelevant.

With those things that you've mentioned, it only proves that they're a serious company and doing a serious business.

Duelbits.com is advertising here and forum and conducting multiple events and this is the first time we heard an scam accusation , and also with cheap claims , I'm not sure that this really have a good proof to provide.

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Well, some things like this are always existing when they don't end up with a good result as they gamble. There could be other the same stories that when someone can't just accept what has happened despite all legal processes has been made within the platform.

Good point , with a casino that as completely good reputation and this is the first stone that had been thrown to them? seemingly not constant.

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And that's why they tend to make some excuses and blames the casino because it's hard to accept defeat and asks the sympathy of those people where they're telling their story that has been combined with twisted statement.

This is an normal attitude of cheaters and some those paid FUD to bring a good casino down.

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Quote from: Naficopa on March 19, 2022, 02:47:38 AM

And I would like to know why someone make a deposit in casino if he don't want to play in it?

the OP wanted to place a bet but it was blocked by the casino. I don't know what reason why his bet was blocked since he never explained it.

Quote from: Naficopa on March 19, 2022, 02:47:38 AM

I doubt that anyone would make such a deposit by mistake, and even if they changed their mind after making the deposit and did not want to take the risk of gambling, they should understand that it is their mistake and in order to withdraw money without any problems, you must follow the TOS rules.

the deposit was not a mistake. the OP has the intention of gambling on the website but when his bet was blocked, he decided to withdraw which also got blocked because of the wagering requirements. anyway, no scamming happened, the OP is angry because he didn't get what he wanted.

As i see, the OP tried to bet but the limits were too low for him. I think that this is the OP mistake that he didn`t make a research before deposit. And after the bet was blocked his withdrawal was blocked as mixing. I think that he ought to make 1-2 bets on other games, even if he don`t want it and after that to withdraw.

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Quote from: Naficopa on March 19, 2022, 02:47:38 AM

And I would like to know why someone make a deposit in casino if he don't want to play in it?

the OP wanted to place a bet but it was blocked by the casino. I don't know what reason why his bet was blocked since he never explained it.

Quote from: Naficopa on March 19, 2022, 02:47:38 AM

I doubt that anyone would make such a deposit by mistake, and even if they changed their mind after making the deposit and did not want to take the risk of gambling, they should understand that it is their mistake and in order to withdraw money without any problems, you must follow the TOS rules.

the deposit was not a mistake. the OP has the intention of gambling on the website but when his bet was blocked, he decided to withdraw which also got blocked because of the wagering requirements. anyway, no scamming happened, the OP is angry because he didn't get what he wanted.

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And I would like to know why someone make a deposit in casino if he don't want to play in it?

I doubt that anyone would make such a deposit by mistake, and even if they changed their mind after making the deposit and did not want to take the risk of gambling, they should understand that it is their mistake and in order to withdraw money without any problems, you must follow the TOS rules.

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Quote from: perla on March 18, 2022, 05:09:27 PM

It is quite normal that you have to make a wager when you have made a deposit on a gambling site. I'm sure Duelbits really isn't going to scam people. They have a huge budget for their campaign and promotions, signature campaign has also been active since they have been on the forum. If we summarize the story, the op has gambled his money, without being forced to do so. There's little you can do about that. Maybe other casinos would have handled it differently, but that's irrelevant.

With those things that you've mentioned, it only proves that they're a serious company and doing a serious business.

Well, some things like this are always existing when they don't end up with a good result as they gamble. There could be other the same stories that when someone can't just accept what has happened despite all legal processes has been made within the platform.

And that's why they tend to make some excuses and blames the casino because it's hard to accept defeat and asks the sympathy of those people where they're telling their story that has been combined with twisted statement.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 18, 2022, 05:05:26 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on March 18, 2022, 02:39:50 PM

This is a classic case of not following the rules properly and blaming the casino for your own mistakes. Op could have easily acquired his money by wagering it all by x1 using strategies that involve minimal risk.

Some examples are betting on both the banker and player in Baccarat(Small commission on banker), 1.01 dice betting etc. He clearly needs to improve his brain-power.

^ That was what I am thinking too, how OP ended up losing all of his money, the requirement is just to have a minimal wager before OP can execute withdrawal but unfortunately, it is losing all the balance left. You can play your money even how small it is and meet the requirements of the wagering policy and probably you will enjoy and don't have control and it is ended up losing his all money. I understand the casino rule and as a gambler, we should practice reading first the TOS before proceeding with it.

Is he doing this to other casinos and getting away from it, or he is just a complete newbie we are all saying that there is something wrong with your behavior, you are not going to join and deposit in a casino and withdraw without a wage you cannot justify your complaint with your action, all casino requires a wage so this is a lesson learned for you don't gamble if you are ignorant on how a casino works it will backfire, this is a lesson for newbies who don't understand how casinos works.

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Quote from: timerland on March 18, 2022, 04:46:15 PM

I don't think that this is a valid case at all.

OP, you are essentially saying that you haven't read their Terms of Service before depositing funds.

For casinos, they need to ensure that people aren't using them to launder money or to use them as a wallet (because their wallet infrastructure costs them money). So it does make sense for them to ban you from withdrawing if you haven't done anything on their platform. You should have researched the limits before you deposited.

Even if op did read their terms of service or terms and conditions something like that then op would still receive same response in other gambling sites. As what Kakmakr said, the act of depositing any amount and then withdraw is an act of money laundering even if you are the only one who had access to the account. Why?. Most gambling sites have this terms and conditions or privacy and policy to prevent gamblers to use their gambling site as a way to launder money. In my opinion, even though the gambling site have rules like that but it still could be use in laundering money though I haven't heard any news or witnessing it myself.

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It is quite normal that you have to make a wager when you have made a deposit on a gambling site. I'm sure Duelbits really isn't going to scam people. They have a huge budget for their campaign and promotions, signature campaign has also been active since they have been on the forum. If we summarize the story, the op has gambled his money, without being forced to do so. There's little you can do about that. Maybe other casinos would have handled it differently, but that's irrelevant.

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 18, 2022, 02:39:50 PM

This is a classic case of not following the rules properly and blaming the casino for your own mistakes. Op could have easily acquired his money by wagering it all by x1 using strategies that involve minimal risk.

Some examples are betting on both the banker and player in Baccarat(Small commission on banker), 1.01 dice betting etc. He clearly needs to improve his brain-power.

^ That was what I am thinking too, how OP ended up losing all of his money, the requirement is just to have a minimal wager before OP can execute withdrawal but unfortunately, it is losing all the balance left. You can play your money even how small it is and meet the requirements of the wagering policy and probably you will enjoy and don't have control and it is ended up losing his all money. I understand the casino rule and as a gambler, we should practice reading first the TOS before proceeding with it.

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I don't think that this is a valid case at all.

OP, you are essentially saying that you haven't read their Terms of Service before depositing funds.

For casinos, they need to ensure that people aren't using them to launder money or to use them as a wallet (because their wallet infrastructure costs them money). So it does make sense for them to ban you from withdrawing if you haven't done anything on their platform. You should have researched the limits before you deposited.

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Quote from: duelbitsisascam on March 12, 2022, 03:22:20 PM

i am creating in the relevant forums so as many people know about said scam

as you have litelly nothing to sayo on the acutal topic i find it likley you are trying to post your sig or are duelbits shill

as so if anyone is a spammer its you

Well, you don't need to go into banter with any user just make sure to post the necessary evidence to see if duelbit truly committed that fraud against your account, and avoid posting your case on different topics just to get the attention you can as well use this thread and keep updating as the case goes. I hope duelbit will do something positive with your account they are among the most reputable casinos on this forum and their representatives here are active.

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I actually would agree with OP that this is not best practice for a casino.

Do I think that OP should have been more careful before depositing to see the appropriate limits that are applicable? Yes.

But at the same time I think that Duelbits should have considered OP's case separately. This is not a huge amount that OP is depositing, and it was clear that he is only wanting to bet on a specific event. So why force him?

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Quote from: duelbitsisascam on March 12, 2022, 02:41:19 PM

Hello

I have final proof this site is complete scam.

I made a deposit for 544 usd to bet to place a bet on a spefic sports game.

They blocked my bet so i tried to withdrawal and they blocked my withdrawal and said if I did not bet they would take my money because it was against they policy.

Then said I said if they raise my limits i would love to bet and told them i wanted to bet and then they said we lowed you limits on purpose and we wont raise it.

So they forced me to bet to or they would steal my money and not let me withdrawal.

Very simple they are a scam.

And they say its against there policy but its not in there TOS.

They just want to force me play till i loose. They never say how much i need to bet it just up to them.

I have placed plenty of bet on the site. Is not close to coin mixing . I had won some in past so they wanted to foce me to loose and steal my money.,

After being forced to bet i lost and now i am out 544 usd because they scammed me.

If we are to look at the "facts" objectively and how you have presented supposed proof of wrongdoing by Duelbits, then you have not satisfied even basic requirements. If you were to present the information in this thread in front of a judge in a court of law, you would get thrown out because you only offer conjecture and the screenshots you seem to think constitute proof do not tell us any such thing. Those screenshots show a deposit and a refund, along with a chat conversation log stating that you're using some sort of promotion that makes it against the rules to withdraw - now if you didn't understand the terms of a promo that is one thing you'll have to learn, they are commonly used as hooks but that is because they come with all sorts of restrictions - that seems to be the issue here.

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This is a classic case of not following the rules properly and blaming the casino for your own mistakes. Op could have easily acquired his money by wagering it all by x1 using strategies that involve minimal risk.

Some examples are betting on both the banker and player in Baccarat(Small commission on banker), 1.01 dice betting etc. He clearly needs to improve his brain-power.

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Quote from: ufaiz50 on March 14, 2022, 09:33:39 AM

Agreed. This is a protocol that any gambling site would most likely do as well. We cannot really fight about this with the casinos because they have some grounds to do such because of some wavering signs of laundering act regarding this same situations. Maybe, OP wasn’t able to fully grasp why this has happened and it had to become this way for him when he deposited and wanted to withdraw after.

It is that simple, casino owners can implement any policy they may like as it is their right, however I do not see this policy as being abusive or anything like that, years ago when those policies did not existed malicious people took advantage of the casinos and then they had to deal with the aftermath, so they decided to implement something like this in order to protect themselves, now I understand that this can be bothersome for some users but I do not think we can expect casinos to forfeit wager requirements anytime soon.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 17, 2022, 02:26:57 PM

Quote from: redsun114 on March 17, 2022, 01:29:09 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 14, 2022, 02:34:42 AM

Now, I am not saying OP is trying to launder the money that he deposited.. he might simply have done this... without any intention to launder any money... but the reaction to this kind of action is the same. (Most casinos will allow you to withdraw, once you wagered some of that money.... win or lose, they will give you your money)

As far as I know, gambling sites are not like this before. They are not strict when it comes to withdrawals and deposits but now that cryptos are more into regulation (at least to the extend what I feel), they are now requiring documents and the reason why it's now being regulated is because cryptos are now popular therefore the scams and other criminal/illegal activities have also gone through the roof.

OP may not be a launderer, I guess, because he said he was playing already before on that casino. (For the people that doesn't want to risk anything, they shouldn't use a gambling site but they should have use a real coin mixing services).

Industries change and adapt to the circumstances in which they work, I remember the days as well in which you could withdraw your money without any wager requirements, but hackers and scammers kept using casinos as a way to launder their coins, I think that even without regulations casinos would have at some point taken the same measures, as it would have been exasperating for them to be used by people they knew were criminals and that will not stop unless they did something.

Because this is how the first cryptocurrency casinos worked. They were completely anonymous and it was a wild west for money laundering. If the casino still wants to remain anonymous but avoid problems with the law, it must at least take the minimum of security steps which in this case are 1x wagering. As for me, it's completely justified and I don't see any scam here.

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Quote from: redsun114 on March 17, 2022, 01:29:09 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 14, 2022, 02:34:42 AM

Now, I am not saying OP is trying to launder the money that he deposited.. he might simply have done this... without any intention to launder any money... but the reaction to this kind of action is the same. (Most casinos will allow you to withdraw, once you wagered some of that money.... win or lose, they will give you your money)

As far as I know, gambling sites are not like this before. They are not strict when it comes to withdrawals and deposits but now that cryptos are more into regulation (at least to the extend what I feel), they are now requiring documents and the reason why it's now being regulated is because cryptos are now popular therefore the scams and other criminal/illegal activities have also gone through the roof.

OP may not be a launderer, I guess, because he said he was playing already before on that casino. (For the people that doesn't want to risk anything, they shouldn't use a gambling site but they should have use a real coin mixing services).

Industries change and adapt to the circumstances in which they work, I remember the days as well in which you could withdraw your money without any wager requirements, but hackers and scammers kept using casinos as a way to launder their coins, I think that even without regulations casinos would have at some point taken the same measures, as it would have been exasperating for them to be used by people they knew were criminals and that will not stop unless they did something.

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Quote from: redsun114 on March 17, 2022, 01:29:09 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 14, 2022, 02:34:42 AM

Now, I am not saying OP is trying to launder the money that he deposited.. he might simply have done this... without any intention to launder any money... but the reaction to this kind of action is the same. (Most casinos will allow you to withdraw, once you wagered some of that money.... win or lose, they will give you your money)

As far as I know, gambling sites are not like this before. They are not strict when it comes to withdrawals and deposits but now that cryptos are more into regulation (at least to the extend what I feel), they are now requiring documents and the reason why it's now being regulated is because cryptos are now popular therefore the scams and other criminal/illegal activities have also gone through the roof.

because gambling sites are being abused by people who's only wanted is to take advantage of the availability of the casino sites to use as Mixing site , they will send funds and then withdraw with other wallet so they can hide their transactions .

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OP may not be a launderer, I guess, because he said he was playing already before on that casino. (For the people that doesn't want to risk anything, they shouldn't use a gambling site but they should have use a real coin mixing services).

If OP does not mean Laundering then why deposit a funds and tries to withdraw without even playing? that attitude is already questionable , and also not because he told us that he played in the past is indeed we must believe in , remember that in desperation he will say everything to make the gambling site looks guilty .

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