Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 119. (Read 1058949 times)

This sounds like great news! Please do post updates, even if it doesn't seem like there is much to say, even if it's only "we continue to work on the issues." Updates of little or no progress are still better than no updates at all (Cryptsy, anyone?).

I've been working with the devtome admin (jasinlee) since around xmas on getting devtome going again. The hosting was upgraded a couple of months previously as we were getting much more traffic so looks like some settings - e.g. mod security - messed things up.

Basically involves me trying edits and passing on errors with screenshots and timestamps, them changing some rules every time. Time differences are making it a slow process with one or two changes a day.

Now at the stage of involvement from hosting in trying to replicate issues as nothing technically wrong with site itself (edits by me under 'Recent Changes' includes hosts working on it with my login). There's been some improvement as can now add a limited number of characters rather than none. Hopefully they'll be able to narrow down the exact problem soon.

I've been reluctant to update because until resolved it isn't, but appreciate everyone's frustrated - so for information.

I can't help with any rescue efforts because I do not have access to Devtome or the Devcoin pay sheet.

I was trying to ask if anyone knew of projects similar to Devtome, or gauge potential interest of starting a new project along those lines. 

Again, I apologize for interrupting this thread.

If you're interested in helping out with the Devtome rescue project, please refer to this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dvc-lets-rescue-devtomecom-1317408

That would need to happen first, before ideas for making fundamental changes to the system get kicked around.

The project isn't 100% dead yet, more like in a deep sleep and needing to be woken up, or to quote/paraphrase from The Princess Bride, "It's not dead, just *mostly* dead! There's a big difference between all the way dead and mostly dead."

Again, we are locked out of devtome and Devcoin's pay sheet for several months.  I understand the technical fixes are straight forward, but without access...welp, it is a shame!

My post from last week was speaking in a "what now?" mindset, under the assumption that everyone would agree that the project was 100% dead. 

Sorry, I did not mean to disrupt the discussion and will now fall away.

The system we had was a good one, and came about as the result of much discussion and lots of ideas kicked around. Part of the original philosophy of the Devtome was to allow (and reward) people to create whatever content they wanted to, provided it met some minimum standard of quality. There were admins there who actively checked for plagiarism and plain bad writing. The rating system was just one measure.

The problem now is that the system is not currently being maintained, not that there were problems with the system when it was in good working order. And even if there are ways to improve on the system, the first priority is to get it back into good working order as is.

I mentioned moderator positions in my Jan 8th post because oversight would be essential.  But I don't think you can create profitable content just through quality control measures.  You have to start with appealing subject matter, then go from there.

I apologize if my comments disparaged anyone's past efforts because that was not my intention.  My comments were about what might be done differently if the concept was to be rebooted under new management in light of how everyone is currently locked out.

I was also a rater and I know we eliminated quite a bit of plagiarism and poor quality writing through the process.

+, this was a great asset. I disagreed with some of the ratings given out by others, but because it was normalized/averaged between all ratings, it was a fair system.

You're not going to solve the problem of writers "just posting up text for the sake of a word count" by just picking a more specific theme for the Devtome. Here's how we dealt with this issue in the past. The Devtome has (or did have) quality control admins who evaluate content for quality. We had a writer rating system and that score would impact the writer share count. I was one of the raters. We looked for things like basic correct spelling/grammar, understandable writing, basic formatting (such as was there a title?). If a piece of writing was especially bad, I would send a link to one of the quality control admins and see what they wanted to do. A lot of bad content got removed from the Devtome during that time. My point is that particular issue was addressed in the past and worked well as long as the admins did their jobs and the Devtome had basic functionality. The raters were paid a certain number of shares (I think it was up to five) per round, but those shares only got paid out if we completed our rating page (and it had to include a certain number of comments beyond our score). At some point I quit receiving rating pages to complete and I assumed it was because I went a few months without posting any new writer content, but when I finally asked about it it turned out that the rating of writers program had just gotten dropped.

Yeah, I would say the site needs to be self-sustaining. Basically, earning enough advertising revenue so it can pay the contributors and other workers.

The "post whatever you want" approach of devtome sounded good in theory, but to be profitable a website probably needs to focus on stuff that visitors actually want to read. 

Off hand, maybe erotica or fan fiction?  Maybe original short fiction (4000-8000 words) by specific genre or niche blogging?  Honestly, a lot of ideas would work but it has to be legit content and not just posting up text for the sake of a word count.

Just a reminder to people worried about Cryptsy, that you can trade devcoin on Bter.com (chinese exchange).

See

https://bter.com/trade/dvc_ltc

Unfortunately hardly anyone bothers so tumbleweed in that pair, but it is an option if people don't fancy using vircurex.

Edit: They also have a DVC-CNY pair (i.e. trading against the chinese currency)

https://bter.com/trade/dvc_cny

You can then trade your CNY for BTC.

Hope this helps

a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors could get paid in cryptocoins

good enough of a directive, so "for-profit" is the key?

still need a rough list of content (for guidance)
and why not key projects listed (maybe already done just unaware)

Yeah, this is a tough situation.  I am also unable to access my devtome account.  It appears the parties still monitoring the situation do not have sufficient access so we will remain locked out.

I thought devtome was a promising idea...a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors could get paid in cryptocoins.  So has anyone pitched the same idea to an altcoin that is currently operating under a stronger foundation?

Essentially -- recruit a team of 50-200 "content suppliers" (the easy part), a dozen "monetizers" (to convert visitors to revenue), 2-3 editors/moderators (to keep content reasonable), and an overall manager (to keep everyone moving).  Three of these people form a committee responsible for tracking who deserves what percentage of the revenue based on previously defined metrics.  This endeavor could kick 5% of its earnings back to the altcoin, and based on the committee's report, that altcoin's paymaster could send out a cryptocoin paycheck to the people who put in work.

I mean, I could at least wrap my head around such an endeavor.  The "pay" would be very, very low but it has a certain appeal (anonymity, a "home" for your work, etc).  It also provides some benefit to the associated altcoin (recognition, circulation, etc).

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On price, looking at it the wrong way. $ value of share = btcusd * dvcbtc * dvc per share. Therefore, dvcbtc = $ share value/(btcusd * dvc per share). Recent $ value of a share at $14 highest since Q1 2014. As it's a function of btc and share count, and btc's gone up while share count's gone down, dvcbtc has gone down. Share count for latest round higher so all-else-equal likely future dvc per share will fall and dvcbtc will rise. If/when devtome and receiver file issues fixed and no. of shares increase it will rise more assuming a $ floor on effort per earned share.

OK, enough time lost waiting for someone else to fix things.

Everyone is welcome to help fix things in this new thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dvc-lets-rescue-devtomecom-1317408

Please help! Do it for the people that is still believe!

Thanks!

We are about to leave 3 satoshis and move to 2 satoshis in Vircurex. The are about 4 million DVC left at 3 satoshis (0.12 BTC).

Its been months with that issue! That is why I'm calling for a revolution: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13455833

Right now there is a problem with adding to the wiki. A number of us have been getting an error message whenever we try to save changes to any pages of the Devtome, including our own. I have not gotten any updates that this problem has been resolved yet.

If I remember correctly that was a pretty nice site. Is it still accessible somewhere? 403 at devcoinauctions.com.

TT