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legendary
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Well it has taken time but we finally breached the 4 satoshi mark. All the way to the bottom now i fear.
Even if it sounds crazy, this his is the right moment to attract investors.

Seems perfectly sane to me. If one believes in DVC there could not be a better time to invest.

- Nova

Right on! First investment rule: buy low, sell high.
Something strange in the human psychology to always buy AFTER price has risen dramatically. --> Herd mentality.
So, don't be a sheep!
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Well it has taken time but we finally breached the 4 satoshi mark. All the way to the bottom now i fear.
Even if it sounds crazy, this his is the right moment to attract investors.

Seems perfectly sane to me. If one believes in DVC there could not be a better time to invest.

- Nova
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Well it has taken time but we finally breached the 4 satoshi mark. All the way to the bottom now i fear.
RJF
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DVC has a great potential. I show you why.

A coin must have:

- a good name -> ok
- liquidity -> ok
- a good (and possibily unique) purpose -> ok
- a low transaction cost -> ok (it's merge mined)
- a community -> ok
- high mining hashrate -> ok
- popularity - ko
- philanthropic projects - ko
- investors - ko
- marketing - ko

The problem is not the number of coins. Bitcoin Community is planning to use bits (1BTC=1,000,000bits). This will 'create' ~ 14,000,000*1,000,000= 14,000,000,000,000.
DVC will get the same number of coins in 14,000,000,000,000/2,400,000,000 = 5833 years

The problem is simple: despite DVC is very cheap in transaction since rides on BTC's back, it has zero real marketing. The reason? It's not really the coin for people. I mean, the way coins are distributed must eradically change.
First you need a partner (a big one) already able to distribute coins to philanthropic organisations. In order to receive more these no profit organizations will have to:
- advertise the coin in public events;
- exchange the coin (the partner will monitor this on its payment processor);
- update their payment / donation systems;
- among their projects, they must promote and support at least one kind of art/skill/sport;
- have a logo in every reality.

With this model you will have the task to oversee the process, without the need to check on every piece of artistic production. You will have more time to develop a strong marketing.
At that point the partner will look like a benefactor, plus it will receive a share for handling the distribution, having a coin with very low transaction fee, lower than that fart of Dogecoin.
Steve Jobs was a visionary. We should try to imitate him.

Absolutely, positively, without a doubt, yes! This post says it all. Marketing and in the way presented is key to success, period.
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Wishing the DevCoin Community a healthy and prosperous 2015!

- Nova
legendary
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December 31, 2014, 10:01:15 AM
Call it foundation, or trust, or even a company (incorporated).

Everybody can call himself "a foundation" (as seen with ixcoin foundation)... what I am talking about is an incorporated foundation (with legal liability).

legendary
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December 31, 2014, 09:37:22 AM
I would like to be involved in it.
I mean, look for investors. If this works, I don't care if inflation will erode the value. I would like to see this project fly. Not out of greedinees but as a real opportunity to do something for people once.

I think the problem is the way coins are distributed. No investor can rely on anonymous people. They need to see that trusted realities have control on the distribution. Not today, but in the long run. That's why the inclusion of no-profit organisations and at least one payment processor is the minimum.


Exactly!

While it doesn't make sense for Bitcoin or other coins to have a foundation (because those coins are built like a completely trustless decentralized system),
it makes ABSOLUTE sense for devcoin to have a foundation, where leading members who handle the devcoin distribution are registered and visible with their REAL NAMES.
What devcoin needs is liability and responsibility.

It seems like the distribution of devcoins will always rely on real people who decide which user/artist gets how many devcoins each round.
To an extend this can be managed by algorithms, but NEVER 100%.

It's sad, but a very central part of devcoin is completely centralized, and has the potential to ruin the whole coin, because it goes against the very notion of a decentralized and trustless cryptocurrency system.

But this doesn't have to be a flaw.

If the distribution mechanism (new devcoins) can't be converted into some kind of trustless algorithm, than we atleast should have a true foundation, liable under law, when it comes to how those devcoins are handled and distributed.

Has this been discussed before?
legendary
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December 31, 2014, 09:09:06 AM
Devcoin inflation is too high.

Fork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again Wink 20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.

That's the reason I don't follow this coin anymore. It's such a nice project. You should give 100 million each month out to new customers for free, to ebay, wikipedia, non profit organisation, etc, and make them circulate. You will see that the millions left will have a value much greater than now.
This coin will be killed by greediness.

People who are saying that inflation is too high, are just early investors who want to save their investment by going to such extreme lenghts like forking the coin, just to make a gain.

That's the worst kind of people we could have as supporters.

They only think about themselves, they don't care about all the other (new) people who might enter devcoin at some point in the future.

If we cut the coin supply, it means early investors (who already got millions of coins for cheap) will ofcourse enjoy it, but all the new people who enter later won't have any advantage.
So this proposed maneuver is just here to please early investors, AND NOTHING ELSE.

(But I am glad this proposition got sacked.)

There is a reason why this coin DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A BLOCK HALVING of any kind, right?

I say, let the coin specification be as it is, it's perfect.

What should be done, is create a better platform and market for the distribution of content. (music, sound, 3d, pictures, etc..)
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December 31, 2014, 02:44:16 AM
Yeah, I used to be against this idea but looking back at BTC, that's what made it so popular. Faucets and randomized giveaways got people interested in it and helped gain value (because if I'm given a free coin, I want its value to go up so I help create new value. Millions of others doing the same thing boosts it up considerably).

Agreed, since the give aways have died down on the forum, so has the traffic. Just as well during the Spammer War. Less collateral damage. Wink

What's the approximate value of one DVC coin right now any way ?

You can find a ticker tape of the current buys at http://coinzen.com

- Nova
legendary
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December 31, 2014, 01:24:33 AM
What's the approximate value of one DVC coin right now any way ?
legendary
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December 31, 2014, 12:28:05 AM
Devcoin inflation is too high.

Fork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again Wink 20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.

That's the reason I don't follow this coin anymore. It's such a nice project. You should give 100 million each month out to new customers for free, to ebay, wikipedia, non profit organisation, etc, and make them circulate. You will see that the millions left will have a value much greater than now.
This coin will be killed by greediness.

Yeah, I used to be against this idea but looking back at BTC, that's what made it so popular. Faucets and randomized giveaways got people interested in it and helped gain value (because if I'm given a free coin, I want its value to go up so I help create new value. Millions of others doing the same thing boosts it up considerably).
legendary
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December 31, 2014, 12:25:55 AM
i came in as a writer, but later signed on as a signup admin because i believed in this project.... but i am somewhat dismayed at 1)at least one or more peopl i signed up have yet to be paid after 6 months.... 2)my payment as a signup admin has decreased from 5 shares to 1 share..... and 3) the price has been allowed to drop so far (i actually tried on a few occasions to boost it (somewhat successfully in a few instances))... that the return for even a few minutes of my time helping out new signups is now a burden rather than a profession.....  i will continue to help people sign up because i believe in the overall principle behind devcoin.... but there must be some changes made that make sense.... or it becomes a house of cards.....


i run a website where i write about serious political issues.... and currently i get more enjoyment from people visiting it than working for devcoins..... i really think devcoin has a lot of creativity it could bring to the world.... but some things need to drastically change for this to happen.... i'm still here and willing to do whatever i can to help.....

On the # of shares you get for being an admin, it's equal whether it's 1 or 5. What happens is the total shares there are for the round are calculated, and the admins get x%. In other words, if you got 2 shares when there are 100 total, with 200 total you'd get 4 shares (meaning your pay is exactly the same). This helps keep admin payments steady so they don't fluctuate.
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 08:03:19 PM
You said there is nothing you missed which was wrong. The news isnt baked in because there are too many alts and only one exchange.. but as soon as we apply it somewhere useful it may become baked in ofcourse u will always be late as an investor if you act on news that is already out there... its more of an inside look at whats coming that anyone can see from coinzen but noone bothers.. when applied correctly may finally turn the tide..

Propose a solution and others will listen that is the best way to go.. if its doable I will implement it if we all agree. Feature wise im talking.. right now im thinking how to get voting in
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December 30, 2014, 06:00:02 PM
Do it and I will start to follow this coin again. Smiley
Let me know. It's 1 year I don't follow this coin. Any other news I missed?


There's nothing you've missed. A quick look at the gradual tending-toward-zero of the DVC price chart will fully inform you of all the happenings. After all, we have to assume that all the information is priced into the market and I think it's very fair to say that the Devcoin guys have done a great job with information sharing, building co-operation across all parties and being open and flexible with participants, investors and interested groups. When circumstances change or a reason can be figured out as to why people might want to buy DVC on exchanges, then the demand/supply imbalance might be addressed opening the possibility of an upward trajectory in the price of the coin.

  Smiley




since you already know it maybe you can be kind enough to explain the new format ? With it comes the ability to do what deadsea said so maybe you can infer on how this is possible. Thanks



In the interests of equal disclosure and uniformity in the presentation of information, if you have any significant changes to announce to market then you know as well as I do that people who co-ordinate the Devcoin project are the most suitable to release this information. In the meantime, I reserve my right as an observer and investor to point out that the unitary value of DVC has only gone one way so I urge you as and when appropriate to release any changes and improvements that might make the coin more viable as an instrument of currency or value. Unlike some others who have expressed a preference that DVC be discontinued as a supposed monetary unit, I would like to see the project evolve and become successful as unlike many altcoins out there Devcoin does have an attractive ethos underpinning the project which may benefit a wide range of parties. I do though, remain firm in my view that the unit has to have a tradeable value and equalization of the demand/supply characteristics would go some way to creating a more realistic market for the coin.

Suffice to say that normally it is only robust management that can withstand a one year price depreciation graph that looks like this:

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/dvc/btc/vircurex/1-year

The three month graph which theoretically has all the recent news built in and might give a more accurate picture of recent management initiatives doesn't inspire confidence either:

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/dvc/btc/vircurex/3-months

As such, it's probably far more constructive if those associated with the leadership and development of the coin present any enhancements in the best possible light rather than requesting that disenchanted investors who legitimately comment on the one-way downhill ride of DVC speak on behalf of the Devcoin leadership team.

I wish you the very best of luck with all current and future efforts to enhance the viability of the Devcoin project and the price appreciation of the DVC unit.









legendary
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December 30, 2014, 12:23:57 PM
Do it and I will start to follow this coin again. Smiley
Let me know. It's 1 year I don't follow this coin. Any other news I missed?


There's nothing you've missed. A quick look at the gradual tending-toward-zero of the DVC price chart will fully inform you of all the happenings. After all, we have to assume that all the information is priced into the market and I think it's very fair to say that the Devcoin guys have done a great job with information sharing, building co-operation across all parties and being open and flexible with participants, investors and interested groups. When circumstances change or a reason can be figured out as to why people might want to buy DVC on exchanges, then the demand/supply imbalance might be addressed opening the possibility of an upward trajectory in the price of the coin.

  Smiley




since you already know it maybe you can be kind enough to explain the new format ? With it comes the ability to do what deadsea said so maybe you can infer on how this is possible. Thanks
hero member
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Are you like these guys?
December 30, 2014, 08:43:56 AM
Do it and I will start to follow this coin again. Smiley
Let me know. It's 1 year I don't follow this coin. Any other news I missed?


There's nothing you've missed. A quick look at the gradual tending-toward-zero of the DVC price chart will fully inform you of all the happenings. After all, we have to assume that all the information is priced into the market and I think it's very fair to say that the Devcoin guys have done a great job with information sharing, building co-operation across all parties and being open and flexible with participants, investors and interested groups. When circumstances change or a reason can be figured out as to why people might want to buy DVC on exchanges, then the demand/supply imbalance might be addressed opening the possibility of an upward trajectory in the price of the coin.

  Smiley



legendary
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December 30, 2014, 03:06:34 AM
Devcoin inflation is too high.

Fork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again Wink 20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.

That's the reason I don't follow this coin anymore. It's such a nice project. You should give 100 million each month out to new customers for free, to ebay, wikipedia, non profit organisation, etc, and make them circulate. You will see that the millions left will have a value much greater than now.
This coin will be killed by greediness.
we can do that with new format set to start this round
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December 30, 2014, 12:06:17 AM
When trying to access the http://coinzen.org forum a page https://www.facebook.com/ is showing up instead. They are both at 31.13.71.128 so coinzen.org may have been hijacked. Anyone else having the same problem?

- Nova

P.S. coinzen.com can still be used.

it could be a DNS glitch either from your provider or whatever DNS sever you use. i use 2 DNS servers... OpenDNS as well as a private one (instead of the one my internet provider runs)... and i have had far fewer such glitches as a result....

Thanks for that insight Unclejed. The eastern European spammers have been soo fierce a battle on the forum that it had been my thought that they may have resorted to a crack out of frustration. There was one offer of bribery to go away, so perhaps they are weakening. They didn't offer to take DVC or else it may have been tempting. Smiley

- Nova
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December 29, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
When trying to access the http://coinzen.org forum a page https://www.facebook.com/ is showing up instead. They are both at 31.13.71.128 so coinzen.org may have been hijacked. Anyone else having the same problem?

- Nova

P.S. coinzen.com can still be used.

it could be a DNS glitch either from your provider or whatever DNS sever you use. i use 2 DNS servers... OpenDNS as well as a private one (instead of the one my internet provider runs)... and i have had far fewer such glitches as a result....
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December 29, 2014, 12:51:25 PM
When trying to access the http://coinzen.org forum a page https://www.facebook.com/ is showing up instead. They are both at 31.13.71.128 so coinzen.org may have been hijacked. Anyone else having the same problem?

- Nova

P.S. coinzen.com can still be used.
No I don't get that, and 162.243.248.20
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