When trying to access the http://coinzen.org forum a page https://www.facebook.com/ is showing up instead. They are both at 31.13.71.128 so coinzen.org may have been hijacked. Anyone else having the same problem?
- Nova
P.S. coinzen.com can still be used.
Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 137. (Read 1058949 times)
i don't think the production rate has as much to do with value as much as usefulness.... i joined this endeavor because i see the useful value of the idea.... as a certain character in a wonderful film "V" said "Ideas are bulletproof....." Yes, i think ideas are bulletproof..... but the ideas need a platform... and i'm still hoping devtome can provide such a platform.... but some changes must be made before it's basis (devcoin) disappears..... i didn't get in on the "ground floor" but i have a good clue what the "idea" behind devcoin should be..... i'm not a "natural" at writing, but with practice and a lot of different life experience have developed a "feel" for it.... in normal life i am somewhat of a geek with marginal autism..... i'm a bit of a contradiction... i have poor "people skills" but i can explain to non-technical people a lot of technical concepts in plain language and they can understand it (and that's part of my "day job")..... i also have strong beliefs about self expression and freedom (both commodities are in short supply these days).... and see devcoin as a way to further these values... freedom needs an outlet... devtome could be that outlet... and devcoin can reward creative people in a somewhat tangible form.... if it's not left to fail.....
Good points Unclejed. One things that could really give a boost to DevTome is to give submissions a rating. If we had an PG rated and R rated pair of databases to draw from them we could go with more mainstream revenue streams like ad sense. The revenues would vastly increase. My suggestion on this theme in the forum was to have a darknet version and an open web version. The open web version being ad sense compliant as to content and the darknet using the present advertising stream.
That may be seen as bending to the man, in terms of censorship. If that is the common opinion then we simply hunker along until traffic increases the present revenue stream through brute force.
- Nova
Devcoin inflation is too high.
Fork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again
20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.
I had proposed a dynamic inflation rate based on number of reciever entries per month.. but it was shutdown.. we are putting coins in a fund instead now so it will reduce coins to peopleFork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again
20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.but they are still there in a fund
i don't think the production rate has as much to do with value as much as usefulness.... i joined this endeavor because i see the useful value of the idea.... as a certain character in a wonderful film "V" said "Ideas are bulletproof....." Yes, i think ideas are bulletproof..... but the ideas need a platform... and i'm still hoping devtome can provide such a platform.... but some changes must be made before it's basis (devcoin) disappears..... i didn't get in on the "ground floor" but i have a good clue what the "idea" behind devcoin should be..... i'm not a "natural" at writing, but with practice and a lot of different life experience have developed a "feel" for it.... in normal life i am somewhat of a geek with marginal autism..... i'm a bit of a contradiction... i have poor "people skills" but i can explain to non-technical people a lot of technical concepts in plain language and they can understand it (and that's part of my "day job")..... i also have strong beliefs about self expression and freedom (both commodities are in short supply these days).... and see devcoin as a way to further these values... freedom needs an outlet... devtome could be that outlet... and devcoin can reward creative people in a somewhat tangible form.... if it's not left to fail.....
Devcoin inflation is too high.
Fork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again 20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.
Fork it and cut the monthly receiver files output by 90% going forward and watch Devcoin become valuable again
20 million added per month instead of 200 million would be a start in the right direction.
unclejed can you tell hunterbunter to look into it? With latestchAnges it may boost value.. although I liked the idea of burning based on demand better
Is there any truth in the rumour that more decimal places after the point are going to be provided for Devcoin so that a more realistic market rate for the currency can be established?
Although that is an artful solution to an overvalued altcoin, it hardly seems a plausible likelihood in this instance.
no Although that is an artful solution to an overvalued altcoin, it hardly seems a plausible likelihood in this instance.
i came in as a writer, but later signed on as a signup admin because i believed in this project.... but i am somewhat dismayed at 1)at least one or more peopl i signed up have yet to be paid after 6 months.... 2)my payment as a signup admin has decreased from 5 shares to 1 share..... and 3) the price has been allowed to drop so far (i actually tried on a few occasions to boost it (somewhat successfully in a few instances))... that the return for even a few minutes of my time helping out new signups is now a burden rather than a profession..... i will continue to help people sign up because i believe in the overall principle behind devcoin.... but there must be some changes made that make sense.... or it becomes a house of cards.....
i run a website where i write about serious political issues.... and currently i get more enjoyment from people visiting it than working for devcoins..... i really think devcoin has a lot of creativity it could bring to the world.... but some things need to drastically change for this to happen.... i'm still here and willing to do whatever i can to help.....
i run a website where i write about serious political issues.... and currently i get more enjoyment from people visiting it than working for devcoins..... i really think devcoin has a lot of creativity it could bring to the world.... but some things need to drastically change for this to happen.... i'm still here and willing to do whatever i can to help.....
i think some of the payment scripts may be broken..... i have a user i signed up who has written several articles over the last few months... and he has yet to see a "devdime"...... and with the current price of devcoin (4 satoshis... really???) something really needs to be fixed......
Some of us explained what needed to be changed months if not years ago, why and what would happen otherwise; only to be dismissed as wrong for all manner of reasons, or just ignored. As Nova says, hopefully the changes to generation allocation will make a difference pushing the price up with positive feedback generally but there was no reason for it to be made this problematic in the first place beyond economic ignorance and misguided personal greed. Devcoin is still a great idea and there's a lot of value in a proper implementation of the concept. That requires everybody looking beyond their own best case at any particular point towards what it's meant to be about and how to achieve it, and at all levels of those involved in admin where I don't know what's happening with signups.??) something really needs to be fixed......tayfun - no head in the sand here, but I haven't heard from jasinlee in months and I'm not an admin or dev in a position to address it.
Is there any truth in the rumour that more decimal places after the point are going to be provided for Devcoin so that a more realistic market rate for the currency can be established?
Although that is an artful solution to an overvalued altcoin, it hardly seems a plausible likelihood in this instance.
Although that is an artful solution to an overvalued altcoin, it hardly seems a plausible likelihood in this instance.
I doubt he really cares all for devcoin since he hasnt posted since devcoin was over a few hundred satoshis... Again I cant say he is guilty.. and its not life or death that he continues with this project but we do need a replacement so if you focused your effort in that maybe we wouldnt be having this conversation.. Gluck hope you recover some of your lost funds.
When he is found guilty by verdict im sure any of us associations here will be severed. Until then he is innocent. You can offer a replacement and if he agrees we can swap positions?
Fair enough. It is up to you now if you still wish to work with this individual on an ethical project. This embodies all that is wrong in the crypto world, it seems it is fair game to scam people as long as it does not affect their own agendas. People like this need to be outed and shunned so that it discourages similar acts in the future, however unfortunately it seems to always be the fault of the people who got taken for a ride.
Scum like this guy used his former good reputation and people trusted him however he has now done a runner with over two million dollars. Yet you have the nerve to make snide comments to myself when i am merely trying to protect this project rather than accept the issue. Is he the only guy on the planet that can help with the project? I would kindly help if i had the necessary skills and experience.
When he is found guilty by verdict im sure any of us associations here will be severed. Until then he is innocent. You can offer a replacement and if he agrees we can swap positions?
I have posted about this issue in on the coinzen site, however unfortunately due to the tumbleweeds what seem to drift through there, i am posing the same question here:
Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Take him to court and prove it... Syscoin suing ryan kennedy y cant you? Maybe then well look at itDo the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Lol are you serious? The matter is being taken to court, it is pretty black and white. He took payments for hardware and has now disappeared. Head in the sand much?
I put these links on coinzen but they were removed for some reason. Please see below:
Details of lawsuit
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22912.msg230377#msg230377
News article
http://www.coindesk.com/florida-group-faces-fraud-charges-alleged-altcoin-pump-dump/
And here is nearly 600 pages of how the whole thing unfolded
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=2702.8355
I am sure he can keep hosting your sites while he is in jail though, so i think you are sweet.
I have posted about this issue in on the coinzen site, however unfortunately due to the tumbleweeds what seem to drift through there, i am posing the same question here:
Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Take him to court and prove it... Syscoin suing ryan kennedy y cant you? Maybe then well look at itDo the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Lol are you serious? The matter is being taken to court, it is pretty black and white. He took payments for hardware and has now disappeared. Head in the sand much?
I have posted about this issue in on the coinzen site, however unfortunately due to the tumbleweeds what seem to drift through there, i am posing the same question here:
Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Take him to court and prove it... Syscoin suing ryan kennedy y cant you? Maybe then well look at itDo the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Lol are you serious? The matter is being taken to court, it is pretty black and white. He took payments for hardware and has now disappeared. Head in the sand much?
I have posted about this issue in on the coinzen site, however unfortunately due to the tumbleweeds what seem to drift through there, i am posing the same question here:
Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Take him to court and prove it... Syscoin suing ryan kennedy y cant you? Maybe then well look at it Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
I have posted about this issue in on the coinzen site, however unfortunately due to the tumbleweeds what seem to drift through there, i am posing the same question here:
Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
Do the devs of devcoin have plans to remove a certain individual from the dev team who has scammed his customers to the tune of 2.5 million dollars? And if not, it would be great to know why. I also referenced some news websites etc which seems to have been removed.
i think some of the payment scripts may be broken..... i have a user i signed up who has written several articles over the last few months... and he has yet to see a "devdime"...... and with the current price of devcoin (4 satoshis... really???) something really needs to be fixed......
i was going to continue a series i started.... but i'm beginning to wonder if it's really worth it.... i'm continuing to work on it offline.... but if nothing changes in the devcoin world........ let's just say there are better outlets for my audio magic....... their names are Denon.... Marantz.... Yamaha..... you like paying Big Bucks for what was to be a nearly free design??? i saw a lot of potential for devcoin as a means of promoting great ideas..... and i still want to publish the rest of my series on devtome first.... but it has to be a worthwhile project to continue.... the "open source" amplifier project by itself is worthwhile, but if the reward on devtome dwindles below the ability to even sell the devcoins it produces (most exchanges have a threshold below which the coin is useless for trading because they don't allow such low values entered).... then where do i go? to companies i know where i have a little bit of an "in".... that might pay huge amounts of cash for a design ready made.... and for devcoin's sake i'd rather not go that route.... i really think devcoin has a place in the world economy, and a very good mission.... if it can be kept from the crash it seems to be creating for itself at the moment.
??) something really needs to be fixed......i was going to continue a series i started.... but i'm beginning to wonder if it's really worth it.... i'm continuing to work on it offline.... but if nothing changes in the devcoin world........ let's just say there are better outlets for my audio magic....... their names are Denon.... Marantz.... Yamaha..... you like paying Big Bucks for what was to be a nearly free design?
?? i saw a lot of potential for devcoin as a means of promoting great ideas..... and i still want to publish the rest of my series on devtome first.... but it has to be a worthwhile project to continue.... the "open source" amplifier project by itself is worthwhile, but if the reward on devtome dwindles below the ability to even sell the devcoins it produces (most exchanges have a threshold below which the coin is useless for trading because they don't allow such low values entered).... then where do i go? to companies i know where i have a little bit of an "in".... that might pay huge amounts of cash for a design ready made.... and for devcoin's sake i'd rather not go that route.... i really think devcoin has a place in the world economy, and a very good mission.... if it can be kept from the crash it seems to be creating for itself at the moment.I agree with you. I wrote several articles some months ago, but have refrained due to the crash in price. I have not sold a single devcoin on any exchange so that the price will not crash, but unfortunately it seems there are some who are selling their coins as soon as they get them. I wrote a whole novella for the site, and if i look at it now i think i may have made 20 or 30 dollars from it at best. If these problems aren't looked at soon, we are going down to one satoshi because those walls on vircurex are getting eaten away as we speak. Also the devs need to look at the people who are associated with the coin, with one known crypto scammer ($2.5m usd) working on the project. For what is claimed to be an 'ethical' project, the people in charge need to disassociate such shady characters from this project.
Yeah, been part of the project for many months now and have spent countless hours on it, reviewing articles, writing, etc. And not selling -- actually I've bought a lot of coins over time. With it crashing like it is, I hope something gets done to help reverse it. Depressing to see such a promising project tank like this after years.
My advice would be to hang on to your DVCs until the changes explained in http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_division_proposal take place. It is my understanding they are expected next share split or the one after. My guess is that DVC val;ue should take a nudge upward.
- Nova
i think some of the payment scripts may be broken..... i have a user i signed up who has written several articles over the last few months... and he has yet to see a "devdime"...... and with the current price of devcoin (4 satoshis... really???) something really needs to be fixed......
i was going to continue a series i started.... but i'm beginning to wonder if it's really worth it.... i'm continuing to work on it offline.... but if nothing changes in the devcoin world........ let's just say there are better outlets for my audio magic....... their names are Denon.... Marantz.... Yamaha..... you like paying Big Bucks for what was to be a nearly free design??? i saw a lot of potential for devcoin as a means of promoting great ideas..... and i still want to publish the rest of my series on devtome first.... but it has to be a worthwhile project to continue.... the "open source" amplifier project by itself is worthwhile, but if the reward on devtome dwindles below the ability to even sell the devcoins it produces (most exchanges have a threshold below which the coin is useless for trading because they don't allow such low values entered).... then where do i go? to companies i know where i have a little bit of an "in".... that might pay huge amounts of cash for a design ready made.... and for devcoin's sake i'd rather not go that route.... i really think devcoin has a place in the world economy, and a very good mission.... if it can be kept from the crash it seems to be creating for itself at the moment.
??) something really needs to be fixed......i was going to continue a series i started.... but i'm beginning to wonder if it's really worth it.... i'm continuing to work on it offline.... but if nothing changes in the devcoin world........ let's just say there are better outlets for my audio magic....... their names are Denon.... Marantz.... Yamaha..... you like paying Big Bucks for what was to be a nearly free design?
?? i saw a lot of potential for devcoin as a means of promoting great ideas..... and i still want to publish the rest of my series on devtome first.... but it has to be a worthwhile project to continue.... the "open source" amplifier project by itself is worthwhile, but if the reward on devtome dwindles below the ability to even sell the devcoins it produces (most exchanges have a threshold below which the coin is useless for trading because they don't allow such low values entered).... then where do i go? to companies i know where i have a little bit of an "in".... that might pay huge amounts of cash for a design ready made.... and for devcoin's sake i'd rather not go that route.... i really think devcoin has a place in the world economy, and a very good mission.... if it can be kept from the crash it seems to be creating for itself at the moment.I agree with you. I wrote several articles some months ago, but have refrained due to the crash in price. I have not sold a single devcoin on any exchange so that the price will not crash, but unfortunately it seems there are some who are selling their coins as soon as they get them. I wrote a whole novella for the site, and if i look at it now i think i may have made 20 or 30 dollars from it at best. If these problems aren't looked at soon, we are going down to one satoshi because those walls on vircurex are getting eaten away as we speak. Also the devs need to look at the people who are associated with the coin, with one known crypto scammer ($2.5m usd) working on the project. For what is claimed to be an 'ethical' project, the people in charge need to disassociate such shady characters from this project.
Yeah, been part of the project for many months now and have spent countless hours on it, reviewing articles, writing, etc. And not selling -- actually I've bought a lot of coins over time. With it crashing like it is, I hope something gets done to help reverse it. Depressing to see such a promising project tank like this after years.
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