Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 159. (Read 1059181 times)

What's good for devtome is good for us all... all sounds good to me.   

Sid, I just wanted to toss you an update. In terms of the social job I'll be doing, I've purposely been holding off while you and melodie try to work through the site's issues. I figured it's better to hold back until things are ready for the public before dealing with that (as users joining the site and being confused is worse than waiting until that confusion would be negligible).

I didnt suggest that you work harder, I know what goes into building custom functions into a site.

I suggested a public Beta testing period. (I would add to that a formal bug/error reporting process and changelog but that's not everyone's thing, depends if you rather deal with individuals or reports from individuals)

Utilise your users as your testing base, slip them a few free DVC bids as thanks and keep the whole thing in testing until you know it's good to go.

imagine the drama involved if this timer was to have an error just as that mining rig gets to 0...I dont believe the crypto community is forgiving enough to accept those kinds of mistakes.

I agree, I will work harder to make sure the changes are seamless to the user... changes like adding the reserve back is based on feedback which I greatly appreciate. Thanks for taking the time to do this. It's usually a process of going back and forth since I have no one to bounce ideas off other than myself and you guys here.

I think that is a good start but from the perspective of a project representing Devcoin, (which is your hope for it's future) this site should be marked as Beta and not released as complete until these things are sorted out. If there are scripts and caching issues etc, the site is not finished yet and when you are taking people's money, you cant excuse this kind of error as "sorry I was running a script". (especially on the very first very small auction after drawing attention to it with a post!)

I have a lot on and little time to mess around Sidhujag, if I did not know the dev of the site, and I had just signed up as I normally would to something and then had concerns, I wouldn't think twice; I would just use the Paypal dispute process to get my money back. (I certainly wouldn't bother with the time this conversation has taken to reach a point where you even acknowledge there might be an error)

I realise you are just starting out with this and I am not trying to undermine it so I wont be doing any such thing but if I have these issues, what will a newcomer face and how will they react? You cant expect people to be patient with a stranger when you are dealing with their money. (crypto or not)

A testing period would at least mean these errors don't call Devcoins credibility into question, its standard practice for any new release anyway and errors can fairly be excused as newly identified bugs. I dont believe announcing a Beta test period with active paid auctions would be detrimental in any way to your launch, and it would allow you to make room for all the improvements/changes that are obviously still needed.

As it stands now, you have released the site as finished and the excuses are not acceptable. (would you accept these excuses from Ebay?)

Time should disappear and it should say "Bidding Ended" after the auction is over. Well I am sure there is no loop... I coded it. Let's see this auction end, its got less than 24 hours. The resetting this is unfortunate because I never saw it on my end... I reset the miner auction because it ended but the gift card one I left untouched after the reserve was met.. so I'm thinking it went to 0 because of the script stuff I was doing, and a combination of the caching issue which was showing the wrong times if you are not logged in. It should be taken care of now anyways.

I think something I can add it the date of expiry somewhere on the auction page just incase the timer is messed up.

Edit: Done, added date of expiry in UTC time.

Then is it possible the "Timer" is on a 69/70 hour loop until the date is right because I have watched it reset twice and its misleading (obviously)


So the timer doesnt actually show when the auction ends?

You may have seen a bug but we can't reproduce (yet). I set it for end of the month 10-12 days ago, so you can calculate how many hours it would have been set to. It's been counting down ever since. The auction only ends once the END DATE is less than the CURRENT DATE... the timer countdown has nothing to do with the functionality other than visually.

I have too much to do in any day, to waste time making things up, I know what I saw. You said it was set for "end of the month" but how many hours was the timer set for originally?

OK I will add the reserve back in.

In the end keep in mind that the customer (You) may be able to purchase things for <= retail, that is the important thing.. its a service that is being provided regardless of how it is advertised. THe fact is

1) Any auctions that don't hit reserve you get your bids back
2) You won't ever pay more than retail if you use buy it now
3) If have the chance to buy the item for a lot less than retail through bidding.

EDIT: Done, reserve prices being shown everywhere.

I never restarted it after reserve was met, so must be a bug, and must be one I'm not seeing on my side.. but I assure you that the auction is not ending and the time is always held on the server side, the client is just doing the reporting... so maybe if you refresh or login it will update the time properly again.

Yea thats really weird because since you first posted and claimed it happened again I've been watching it and it never ended or got to 0 its always been counting down. If you ever see it go to 0 take a screen shot, there is less than a day left now.

I wouldnt advertise that Sidhujag, but I also would not run a business that required hiding anything from my customers. I would simply run an honest auction with clearly shown end and start dates and run a 3 month Beta test with paid customers before I launch...but thats just me.

Google very publicly post their profits Sidhujag, and if anyone wanted to find out where it all came from, that wouldn't be hard to do as they are a listed company. You on the other hand are one guy on the other side of the world...you have a lot more to prove about what you can deliver for my money than Google do.

Bullshit. Were you just by chance doing that both the times it reset?

I told you I saw it hit 0 and reset the first time and start again (after your post about the "first auction would have winner because it was past reserve") and then I came back after 69 hours and watched it do the same again, which is when I posted here. I didnt take the screen shot until a few hours later because I didnt think I would need to prove something that must be obvious from the back end of that site.

Why would you advertise that? Do people care all that much? In the end they can buy things cheaper than retail thats all that matters who cares how much the service is making since you get what you want.

Its just how business works. If google advertised how much they make off of you for every search and click would you keep using them or move to one that seems like they are working for free whrn they arent?

I wont
How is it positive for me, when a non devcoiner comes to your site and does the math and realises you are actually making more than retail on the basic reserve price? (0.14 means @ $1 per bid you make $4.14 on a $10 product)

That would not be a problem if it was honestly sold that way but you say the "reserve is 1% of retail" you make it sound like you are taking a risk having a reserve but it isnt in reality is it? The reserve is set by the number of bids, not the actual auction. Its a deceptive way to sell and I dont see a reason for it. It also explains why you insist on hiding the reserve price, why would you tell people the reserve is really $14?

The way this works in reality, its not an auction site its a raffle with the winning ticket being the last one drawn/bid. The way raffles work, is you have to sell enough tickets to cover the cost of the product but only one person wins and all they paid was the price of their ticket/bid.

So ever since you have been bringing it up, its been counting down regularly that's the part I don't get... I'm not seeing where it got to 0... It may have been at a time I was upating the website or because of the caching issue... but the internal timer never got to 0, or it was temporary as I was updating the code for the buy it now feature. I haven't fiddled with it too much last few days so it hasnt done what you said last few days for sure.. i've been watching it as you started bringing it up, its been coming down from 70 hours since we started talking about this.

Could be around the time it was 70 hours I was working on buy it now and maybe you loaded a script I was half-way done with and it showed 0 time left at that moment because I do remember I was playing with the auction timer making sure that peopel can bid all the way down to 1 second left.. I was adding a buffer in the time to make sure people can bid until the end since there is about a 2 second lag between the bid button clicked and the display updating... but that was fixed and updated within a few hours and was a few days ago... but its a small chance that you were caught up in a page that showed that, it didn't really affect the bidding process just the display of the time at that moment.

And I KEEP telling you, it reset to 0 AFTER it was past reserve and AFTER you posted that message 7 days ago!!!! I have answered you the same way all along, which part dont you get?

Yes it may have been gone to 0 but the RESERVE WAS NOT MET message would have been shown on the closed auctions tab. I essentially enabled it again and then you passed the reserve. Again I ask you, when did it go to 0? Was this after reserve was met? If so there was a bug, if not then its fine.

Yes the site got $25 so Output > Input, whole point of business. Please read the business plan: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=auction_business

Think of it this way.. when there are devcoin funded auctions... this is paid to YOU and not me since profits are given back to the community.. so if you hold coins or support devcoin this is positive for you.

Invented? I "invented f*** all Sidhujag, the TIMER said it was about to expire, then got to 0 and reset.

And you keep the rest of the votes, so the real price being paid to YOU for this card is $25+


I didnt even look at the auction until you said it had passed reserve Sidhujag because I thought there was a news story in it so yes, The timer reset AFTER the auction hits reserve. WHERE did it say the auction would end at the end of the month? I wish I had taken a screenshot when it went to 0 because it seems you will not believe me without it.