Topic: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 159. (Read 1058949 times)

Time should disappear and it should say "Bidding Ended" after the auction is over. Well I am sure there is no loop... I coded it. Let's see this auction end, its got less than 24 hours. The resetting this is unfortunate because I never saw it on my end... I reset the miner auction because it ended but the gift card one I left untouched after the reserve was met.. so I'm thinking it went to 0 because of the script stuff I was doing, and a combination of the caching issue which was showing the wrong times if you are not logged in. It should be taken care of now anyways.

I think something I can add it the date of expiry somewhere on the auction page just incase the timer is messed up.

Edit: Done, added date of expiry in UTC time.

Then is it possible the "Timer" is on a 69/70 hour loop until the date is right because I have watched it reset twice and its misleading (obviously)


So the timer doesnt actually show when the auction ends?

You may have seen a bug but we can't reproduce (yet). I set it for end of the month 10-12 days ago, so you can calculate how many hours it would have been set to. It's been counting down ever since. The auction only ends once the END DATE is less than the CURRENT DATE... the timer countdown has nothing to do with the functionality other than visually.

I have too much to do in any day, to waste time making things up, I know what I saw. You said it was set for "end of the month" but how many hours was the timer set for originally?

OK I will add the reserve back in.

In the end keep in mind that the customer (You) may be able to purchase things for <= retail, that is the important thing.. its a service that is being provided regardless of how it is advertised. THe fact is

1) Any auctions that don't hit reserve you get your bids back
2) You won't ever pay more than retail if you use buy it now
3) If have the chance to buy the item for a lot less than retail through bidding.

EDIT: Done, reserve prices being shown everywhere.

I never restarted it after reserve was met, so must be a bug, and must be one I'm not seeing on my side.. but I assure you that the auction is not ending and the time is always held on the server side, the client is just doing the reporting... so maybe if you refresh or login it will update the time properly again.

Yea thats really weird because since you first posted and claimed it happened again I've been watching it and it never ended or got to 0 its always been counting down. If you ever see it go to 0 take a screen shot, there is less than a day left now.

I wouldnt advertise that Sidhujag, but I also would not run a business that required hiding anything from my customers. I would simply run an honest auction with clearly shown end and start dates and run a 3 month Beta test with paid customers before I launch...but thats just me.

Google very publicly post their profits Sidhujag, and if anyone wanted to find out where it all came from, that wouldn't be hard to do as they are a listed company. You on the other hand are one guy on the other side of the world...you have a lot more to prove about what you can deliver for my money than Google do.

Bullshit. Were you just by chance doing that both the times it reset?

I told you I saw it hit 0 and reset the first time and start again (after your post about the "first auction would have winner because it was past reserve") and then I came back after 69 hours and watched it do the same again, which is when I posted here. I didnt take the screen shot until a few hours later because I didnt think I would need to prove something that must be obvious from the back end of that site.

Why would you advertise that? Do people care all that much? In the end they can buy things cheaper than retail thats all that matters who cares how much the service is making since you get what you want.

Its just how business works. If google advertised how much they make off of you for every search and click would you keep using them or move to one that seems like they are working for free whrn they arent?

I wont
How is it positive for me, when a non devcoiner comes to your site and does the math and realises you are actually making more than retail on the basic reserve price? (0.14 means @ $1 per bid you make $4.14 on a $10 product)

That would not be a problem if it was honestly sold that way but you say the "reserve is 1% of retail" you make it sound like you are taking a risk having a reserve but it isnt in reality is it? The reserve is set by the number of bids, not the actual auction. Its a deceptive way to sell and I dont see a reason for it. It also explains why you insist on hiding the reserve price, why would you tell people the reserve is really $14?

The way this works in reality, its not an auction site its a raffle with the winning ticket being the last one drawn/bid. The way raffles work, is you have to sell enough tickets to cover the cost of the product but only one person wins and all they paid was the price of their ticket/bid.

So ever since you have been bringing it up, its been counting down regularly that's the part I don't get... I'm not seeing where it got to 0... It may have been at a time I was upating the website or because of the caching issue... but the internal timer never got to 0, or it was temporary as I was updating the code for the buy it now feature. I haven't fiddled with it too much last few days so it hasnt done what you said last few days for sure.. i've been watching it as you started bringing it up, its been coming down from 70 hours since we started talking about this.

Could be around the time it was 70 hours I was working on buy it now and maybe you loaded a script I was half-way done with and it showed 0 time left at that moment because I do remember I was playing with the auction timer making sure that peopel can bid all the way down to 1 second left.. I was adding a buffer in the time to make sure people can bid until the end since there is about a 2 second lag between the bid button clicked and the display updating... but that was fixed and updated within a few hours and was a few days ago... but its a small chance that you were caught up in a page that showed that, it didn't really affect the bidding process just the display of the time at that moment.

And I KEEP telling you, it reset to 0 AFTER it was past reserve and AFTER you posted that message 7 days ago!!!! I have answered you the same way all along, which part dont you get?

Yes it may have been gone to 0 but the RESERVE WAS NOT MET message would have been shown on the closed auctions tab. I essentially enabled it again and then you passed the reserve. Again I ask you, when did it go to 0? Was this after reserve was met? If so there was a bug, if not then its fine.

Yes the site got $25 so Output > Input, whole point of business. Please read the business plan: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=auction_business

Think of it this way.. when there are devcoin funded auctions... this is paid to YOU and not me since profits are given back to the community.. so if you hold coins or support devcoin this is positive for you.

Invented? I "invented f*** all Sidhujag, the TIMER said it was about to expire, then got to 0 and reset.

And you keep the rest of the votes, so the real price being paid to YOU for this card is $25+


I didnt even look at the auction until you said it had passed reserve Sidhujag because I thought there was a news story in it so yes, The timer reset AFTER the auction hits reserve. WHERE did it say the auction would end at the end of the month? I wish I had taken a screenshot when it went to 0 because it seems you will not believe me without it.

The current price IS NOT $25 it is $0.25 you make the assumption that the user buys all the bids when papacrusher just came and bid twice. So to him the cost is $0.25+$2.00=$2.25 for a $10 gift card.

with the Buy It Now, I add functionality to show how much you have spent showing how much more you would have to pay if you wanted to just buy it @ retail price. I've enabled buy it now on the card so you can see it... refresh the auction page.

Regarding the timer... when did it reset after the reserve was met? I'm not sure what you are seeing because I have been looking everytime you post and the time is correct its counting down at the right time. I set it to expire at the end of the month when I last reset the auction (like 10-12 days ago), so it would be 24*12 hours at the beginning counting down to 0. 10-12 days ago, the reserve was not met and it was essentially I just added more time... BUT ever since you reached the reserve I've been letting it countdown... and its less than a day left now.

1) The bids placed in the auction is the auction's profit
2) The final price is the settling price of the auction at expiry (time = 0), it will show up under your won items & not paid in your account section.

In the example above papacrusher would pay $0.25 via paypal/coinpayments for the giftcard.

Look I'm not saying your lying all I am saying is there is a misunderstanding. I don't think there is a bug because I am checking it every few hours... I haven't seen it reset (the gift card) since I last did it which was BEFORE the reserve was met so its been atleast 6-7 days since its been reset... so if it has happened just recently takea  screen shot and show me because I don't see the same thing.

You said

"When do the auctions end? The timer keeps resetting, but you said I was about to win the first auction a couple of days ago and I have no idea how this would happen since the auction has not reached your reserve (which is unknown so could be $10 for all I know) and the whole thing just starts for another 69 hours again when it gets to 0."

I'm asking when did it get to 0? I never said it was about to expire, you invented that. Was this AFTER you reached the reserve? Because if so then yes there was a bug... if no... then that was me and I've explained when and why this was done.

I WATCHED the timer reset TWICE! No-where on that auction does it say it ends at the "end of the month" Why does it have a timer for 70 hours if its going for a month? I thought at first maybe I had it wrong so I went back to the site 69 hours later and it reset for the second time IN FRONT OF MY EYES Sidhujag. I have no reason to lie? I wanted to run a story on the first auction winner (whoever it was) for heaven sake!

Also, I have tried to understand your explanation to HunterBunters question but you have not explained the payment system at all. This is the situation from a user perspective.

That card retails for $10
I bought 20 bids for $24.95 ( I will round it down to $1 per bid for this excersize)
Each bid increases the "auction" by 0.01
The reserve was 0.14 ($14)
The current price after Papacrusher bid is 0.25 ($25)
For a $10 Amazon card?

From what you have explained, we have to pay for the card at the end of the auction and this is when it gets very, very confusing.

1) What happens to that $25.00 worth of bids placed on this auction after its ended?
2) How much is the final price the winner will pay and how do users work that out?

The auctions that expired, I have refunded bids and relisted them...

Check out your http://devcoinauctions.com/my-account/transactions/ to see the bids refunded.

Thanks

That auction has been running for a few weeks I set it to expire end of month.. nothing has changed. I posted that when there was 6 or 7 days left in auction. Time needs to goto 0 before you are the winner.

I never restarted the $10 gift card after the reserve was met.. theres no reason to do that. I restarted ones that expired with little or no bids.

Yes, and there were no further bids and 6 days later, no-one has won that auction!


Yes I was logged in Sidhujag because I assumed at first it was my error and I was missing something.


Then when DOES it expire?? It seems to just restart again, and again twice so far.