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Hi Melodiem.

I don't know if you are unaware that I follow both threads or that I run the coinzen.org server but you've got to be kidding about some of this stuff.

I abandoned the discussion because anyone following it, would get the immediate impression the moderator thought it a waste of time and possibly even some dodgy scam.

Yes, being unable to explain "What is this?" and "What does this do?" while simultaneously saying "but we will be accepting your coins" does make it look like a blatant scam.

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I also asked the moderator to take the HUGE image in the middle of the discussion down (or at least make it smaller) as I felt it distracted from the conversation for anyone following. I suspect the reason it is still there, is that it supports the moderators comments, not your joke. (which by the way, I would have found funny if I wasn't already feeling like I had to defend my honour as NOT a scammer hitting people up for money, over a discussion I tried to start)

Which moderator - because it wasn't me that you asked. Right now I'm the only one until boards are divided up - other than the giveaway forum and what folks set up for themselves. Second, huge image huh? You mean the one bittzy posted? http://coinzen.org/index.php?topic=70.0. Is your monitor from the 80s?

But you should probably know that we did this project where we made it so you can moderate and set people up to be moderators in your own threads. There is nothing stopping you from making yourself a moderator and deleting that post. Heck, you could even edit it and put in any picture you want! Hell, if you wanted to you could even ban me from the thread. It's ok, you can't work a forum, but you can plan out a giant fund to manage ~$100,000 a month. There's nothing suspect about that at all. Why would anyone want to ask you questions! Clearly you've got a keen sense of awareness and uncanny control over your surroundings.

Second, there most definitely was not a conversation happening. I was trying to engage you so you could explain what you scribblings and ramblings meant in an attempt to add clarity to a murky and convoluted topic. You took it as an attack despite my best efforts to massage your bruised ego (Because questions are hard, right?). Honestly, i don't care if your project takes an hour or lifetime. If it doesn't deliver it doesn't deliver. Your effort did not translate in to value in the form it was/is in. Don't take your frustration out on me for asking questions about the giant holes in your "plan". If it came across my desk in a professional or academic sense you'd be sent away to do it again, asked why we are paying you, or be moved to a new position with less responsibility.

When you have an idea you absolutely do have to defend yourself. You have to show you aren't a scammer by answering questions. Who cares if it makes perfect sense to you. It everyone else you have to convince. But goddamn I wish you could understand how difficult it is to trust the person who thinks "converting dvc to btc is complex" with an entire organization, process and project that revolves around creating a parallel system. I truly know the irony is lost on you. I wish you could experience it.

Never once were you accused of being a scammer. It wasn't until you responded to questions with hostility that it began to look that way, honestly put a tampon on it. Stop exporting your insecurities on other people and Get off the cross.

sr. member
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melodiem for you; is the problem the conversion into fiat or the delay to get paid ?

I quote for all my web work which never pays until the job is done...this can be 3-6 months on a big project. The time to wait does not bother me, its the conversion.  Smiley


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It was a genuine question.
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Me llamo Juan Tuan. Quiero comida China.
My big idea

Instead of giving money like Dogecoin, why don't we announce something like 20.000.000 dvc bounty for a brilliant idea coming from a charity?
All the charities will have the chance to win now or in the next rounds. Do you realise how massive the attention and free advertising would be? The dvc value would double in one week.
Then in the next round we create three smaller bounties for charities, posing as condition to win to convince at least another charity to participate. It would escalate within a few rounds.

That would probably increase the value of DVC too.

I just processed registrations for several new writers who contacted me. If I missed anyone, please feel free to PM me again and I will take care of you.

Edit: Also, when you do contact your signup admin, please allow up to three days for a reply, as sometimes we get swamped. Everyone's patience is greatly appreciated.

No problem, thank you for signing me up.
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I dont quite understand, by one sided trade flow?...
I am putting an IRC chat module up on devcoinproject.com

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'One sided trade flow'. I think too much talk and incentive structure is about earning/getting dvc. That results in a focus on how/why/where to sell. This undermines the entire point of devcoin, which is to fund open source work, and therefore needs as much if not more focus on support, buying and adding value.

I see dvc as by definition a mutual concept if it's going to take off. Some others see it as a client-employee relationship only; submit work - expect to get paid. That opinion is fine, but because I don't think that's sustainable until there's a much bigger base of support I'm not particularly interested in making transience and/or bounty hunting and/or word dumps easier. If others disagree that's up to them but, for example, if writers aren't buying dvc to support writing then who is and why do we pay for it.

You shouldn't give up on ideas at the first knock back. Whether I or anyone else disagrees doesn't necessarily imply a bad idea. If you've spent time thinking it through and it makes sense, then it may be an issue of explanation. Put it in simpler terms - explain like you're explaining to homer simpson, then people can give feedback on basics.

There is a lot to think about in what you say, I need to learn more really have any decent response to the first part, (yet) but for the last part -I haven't given up on the idea at all, its still a discussion and I've learned a lot from it so far already Smiley

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There's a dvc channel here I saw on first page of the thread: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=devcoin although I've never used it.

Thanks for the link to the chatroom, I'll redirect mine to there.
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I dont quite understand, by one sided trade flow?...
I am putting an IRC chat module up on devcoinproject.com

'One sided trade flow'. I think too much talk and incentive structure is about earning/getting dvc. That results in a focus on how/why/where to sell. This undermines the entire point of devcoin, which is to fund open source work, and therefore needs as much if not more focus on support, buying and adding value.

I see dvc as by definition a mutual concept if it's going to take off. Some others see it as a client-employee relationship only; submit work - expect to get paid. That opinion is fine, but because I don't think that's sustainable until there's a much bigger base of support I'm not particularly interested in making transience and/or bounty hunting and/or word dumps easier. If others disagree that's up to them but, for example, if writers aren't buying dvc to support writing then who is and why do we pay for it.

You shouldn't give up on ideas at the first knock back. Whether I or anyone else disagrees doesn't necessarily imply a bad idea. If you've spent time thinking it through and it makes sense, then it may be an issue of explanation. Put it in simpler terms - explain like you're explaining to homer simpson, then people can give feedback on basics.

There's a dvc channel here I saw on first page of the thread: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=devcoin although I've never used it.

eeh: I'm not having any issues.

dexter: There's nothing stopping you giving to charity yourself - dvc or otherwise. Would you still be in favour of that idea if the dvc price didn't rise?
sr. member
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My big idea

Instead of giving money like Dogecoin, why don't we announce something like 20.000.000 dvc bounty for a brilliant idea coming from a charity?
All the charities will have the chance to win now or in the next rounds. Do you realise how massive the attention and free advertising would be? The dvc value would double in one week.
Then in the next round we create three smaller bounties for charities, posing as condition to win to convince at least another charity to participate. It would escalate within a few rounds.
newbie
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Thanks Smeagol,

I'll make some changes when I get a second over the weekend.

I was wondering if I can claim one of the remaining Investment Plan Bounties for this plan I put together. (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_engine) My intention was to write up a business plan that can be invested in by using devcoins that would benefit the whole devcoin community. Just wondering if my interpretation of business plan fits the description required by this bounty...

I wrote it last week, but just finally found some time to figure out how to properly post it on devtome. For a future article I might write up a noob's guide to Devtome in very simple English.

Hey jdlrexy,

How can one make money by investing?  I'd suggest you add a section where "shareholders" of the Devcoin bounty fund could have weighted votes based on the stake, and the shareholders would get a portion of a bounty the contributed too, etc.

That's all you need to do to get the six shares!
legendary
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Any one having issues with blocks not processing?

Which client version? What happened?
legendary
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Uploaded 1.0.14 win32 binary for those who can't compile: https://sourceforge.net/projects/devcoin/files/?source=navbar

Upgraded from 1.0.8 to 1.0.14, is running fine.

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Test payment sent to weisoq.

Hey guys Im gonna change the dust stuff to match in android wallet.. I changed cent back to cent instead of 5 coins.. so ill upload a new version later to sanity test.



Hey I uplaoded a new devcoin android wallet to match the new client.

Please test that the new android wallet works sending/recieving coins... ill do a test maybe later tonight as well.

I updated the source too.

The devcoinj is now 1.0.4 here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/devcoin/files/devcoinj/

I will test payment this evening.

Ok might as well test 1.0.5 with 1.0.15 qt as I made it so minimum transaction matches bitcoin as 5430 satoshis

Hopefully it fixes the sending fees issue whilr maintaining a small minimum output and still do the dust fee stuff properly.

I been testing with this and sent myself 0.0001 dvc to and from the android wallet to qt.. and its stable, so far this is the best one. Now we just have to get the pool operator to switch to this latest version and test that the mining works.
legendary
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yes
Uploaded 1.0.14 win32 binary for those who can't compile: https://sourceforge.net/projects/devcoin/files/?source=navbar

Upgraded from 1.0.8 to 1.0.14, is running fine.

[img]

Test payment sent to weisoq.

Hey guys Im gonna change the dust stuff to match in android wallet.. I changed cent back to cent instead of 5 coins.. so ill upload a new version later to sanity test.



Hey I uplaoded a new devcoin android wallet to match the new client.

Please test that the new android wallet works sending/recieving coins... ill do a test maybe later tonight as well.

I updated the source too.

The devcoinj is now 1.0.4 here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/devcoin/files/devcoinj/

I will test payment this evening.
legendary
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I just processed registrations for several new writers who contacted me. If I missed anyone, please feel free to PM me again and I will take care of you.

Edit: Also, when you do contact your signup admin, please allow up to three days for a reply, as sometimes we get swamped. Everyone's patience is greatly appreciated.
eeh
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Any one having issues with blocks not processing?
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Sorry for triple posting, I have set up a Devcoin chat room here: http://devcoinproject.com/index.php/devcoin-chatroom

It is IRC, so the channel can be accessed with any client. (The web page just makes it simpler.)

The idea being somewhere to communicate/discuss devcoin related projects. Enjoy Smiley

I am also happy to put up chat rooms for those of you will projects under way, as a communication tool if it is any use. PM me if this is any use to you.

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I also asked the moderator to take the HUGE image in the middle of the discussion down (or at least make it smaller) as I felt it distracted from the conversation for anyone following. I suspect the reason it is still there, is that it supports the moderators comments, not your joke.

Quoting myself sorry, I just re-read that and I need to clarify...the image was posted in illustration of your joke, I dont mean to suggest it was posted with any other intention. I am only referring to the moderators response.  I had no problem with the image, just the sheer size of it makes it an unnecessary distraction...sorry if I implied otherwise
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when i was doing stock trading years ago, i actually took some classes to learn some of the basics. one of the things i learned about trading was"wouldn't it be better having your money working for you, rather than always working for money?" it was a point of view that was new to me... rather than just cash out when i get paid for articles on devtome, i will take a portion of it for trading, and make my money work for me. another portion i will leave in my local wallet, and another portion i might cash out.... i will continue writing on devtome, but i will also continue my day job, which most of the time, i enjoy.... i'm an audio engineer, and i work as an audio technician repairing receivers, which, as an engineer is usually quite enjoyable, because i get to see how other engineers think, and i get to listen to music all day.....
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Only two people have posted to the thread, Melodiem. Mine was a vane attempt at humor which fell flat. There is a follow up, which you may have missed, trying to explain the joke. Guess there is no future for me as a stand up if my jokes need explanation. Wink

So please jump in again and try to explain your idea in layman's terms. After reading through the intro on your DevTome entry it still had me scratching my non-economist trained head.
- Nova

I appreciate your response Nova, I did see it and I am sorry if you feel your joke at all responsible because it wasn't.

I abandoned the discussion because anyone following it, would get the immediate impression the moderator thought it a waste of time and possibly even some dodgy scam.

Like it or not, newcomers to a forum place more value on a moderators response than a newbie like me so in the interests of my own integrity/credibility/reputation I abandoned it. I am happy to continue the discussion in PM or via email, or to answer any thing posted on the discussion tab of the article. I think it would be more constructive in the long run.

I also asked the moderator to take the HUGE image in the middle of the discussion down (or at least make it smaller) as I felt it distracted from the conversation for anyone following. I suspect the reason it is still there, is that it supports the moderators comments, not your joke. (which by the way, I would have found funny if I wasn't already feeling like I had to defend my honour as NOT a scammer hitting people up for money, over a discussion I tried to start)
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I think you are talking about the Fund idea I spoke about in PM and (tried to discuss) on the other forum? I have pretty much given up on it as viable after all the negative feedback.

Only two people have posted to the thread, Melodiem. Mine was a vane attempt at humor which fell flat. There is a follow up, which you may have missed, trying to explain the joke. Guess there is no future for me as a stand up if my jokes need explanation. Wink

So please jump in again and try to explain your idea in layman's terms. After reading through the intro on your DevTome entry it still had me scratching my non-economist trained head.

- Nova
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melodiem for you; is the problem the conversion into fiat or the delay to get paid ?

I quote for all my web work which never pays until the job is done...this can be 3-6 months on a big project. The time to wait does not bother me, its the conversion.  Smiley


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Simpler is good, pandering to one-sided trade flow or interest isn't.

I dont quite understand, by one sided trade flow? I think maybe it means everyone selling and no one buying or the other way around? I agree totally, and from conversations on this forum I thought that was one of the existing issues: everyone selling at the end of the round? I looked at ways to address that but I dont think my ideas were useful.

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I'm not criticising you, this is just a discussion. I have views, and find inertia/perceptions that I think are counter-productive grating. But that seems to be my viewpoint as the outlier because counterpart opinions over time haven't changed, and is certainly not annoyance at you. Your ideas and input have been positive and I try to give constructive criticism.


I am so glad, if you were criticising I missed it and Id hate to be rude and not respond Wink

You have been really helpful and ask really good questions Weisoq, and I appreciate it. I learn by being involved; I hated school and studying but loved the moment I could start work and DO something and that attitude has carried over my whole life. Added to hyperactivity and an IQ I will never make real use of, it can make life interesting lol

I already know this about me but I realise anyone who doesn't already know this about me, when confronted with "ok, whats next, where do I start ..oh look! I could do that!!" is probably left scratching their head at who this bizarre woman is and what drugs is she on lol

I am not going anywhere, so people will work that out over time but for now, I truly appreciate the  time and effort taken to read, consider and respond to my posts.

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No they're not necessary steps to anything except the sustainability of devcoin. Either devcoin buyers are real interest, or just speculators/charity. If earners are perpetually selling to the latter then at some point this stops working. That's not how I understood the project; if it's a sustained dynamic I don't think it works.

I think you are talking about the Fund idea I spoke about in PM and (tried to discuss) on the other forum? I have pretty much given up on it as viable after all the negative feedback. It was a community concept but there is no point if the community cant see a need for it. The work Ive done so far at least gives some discussion points/considerations and maybe in the future the idea will have more reason to exist and someone else will pick it up. I am still going to try to find the expert advice I need to analyse it and complete it as a discussion paper so it isn't a half done job, and then at the least it adds to the existing knowledge/data around DVC etc.

As for getting me a bot and leaping into the shark infested money market... now THAT has got me just a little bit less terrified of trading, and a little bit inspired to be exploring something new Wink

I am putting an IRC chat module up on devcoinproject.com (If I dont completely spaz out at Melbourne IT before they sort the DNS crap they have going at the moment) it can be entered from anywhere and I registered the channel under MelodieMuse. (so you can find it from anywhere, no need to use my interfaace if you  have an IRC client. #Devcoin

The channel is already there, will get the site sorted today and post a link
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Me llamo Juan Tuan. Quiero comida China.
I haven't received a reply from the person I messaged to sign up.  What should I do?

And what do you mean by I can propose a bounty?

Can I just say "I suggest we make a solar farm and supply electricity to kids in Malawi!"?
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