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Guys, when do you think devcoin could pop, I'm talking $0.10+.

I have been seeing many threads about what coin will pop in 2014 but nobody ever mentions dvc..

That's because DVC is unlike every other crypto-coin, and I think most don't realize how it works, or it's potential yet, just like when bitcoins first started (there are thousand of people who rightfully belong on the bitcoin or devcoin share lists, but they just don't know about it yet). It's doing to open source what mining did to digital currency. The analogy is that of the 200M coins created per round, they're distributed based on the number of people doing work to earn them, instead of machines - with btc everyone competes for the transaction pot with hardware. With dvc, it's essentially the same thing but instead of calculating hashes, people are creating things. As time goes on, the btc hashes get more difficult as the number of miners increase, and similarly dvc payouts become harder to earn because the initial work has already been done, and more difficult work lies in improving it (as well as more people doing work). Collaboration on work is similar to how mining pools operate, and there is an opportunity for people to develop ways to make collaboration between strangers easier.

The only downside is that most of the value from cryptocoins come from speculative demise - that the coins are always going to become rarer, whereas devcoins are created indefinitely (and rightly so, since creative work is not used in the "transaction" system like with bitcoins et al). The upside is that speculation can still exist with dvc, with the added bonus that we get great open source stuff to share and improve. I honestly believe this is stuff that will make headlines once journalists get their heads around its nuances. It probably won't ever be as mainstream as bitcoins, because those are very easy to mine in comparison to this - this requires actual human effort from everyone trying to earn generation shares.

As for the price, for it to hit $0.10 people need a reason to buy them, and there is always going to be selective pressure towards more deflationary currencies over this one, because they are, after all, more deflationary - devcoins take this hit in exchange for allowing the philanthropists/advertisers a way in. Assuming maybe 50-80% of the payout is being cashed out each round, people have to be buying 100M-160M coins from the market with cash or another cryptocurrency every month. This means it needs an in-flow of cash around $10-$20M per month to support everyone selling the coins they earned @ $0.10. That doesn't sound impossible to me, especially if the seriously rich philanthropists who strongly believe in FOSS decide to back it. For it to get there, we need to give people amazing stuff that they just can't get enough of. That means great writing, great media, great software, great websites, etc, and if http://www.devtome.com and it's ilk become as popular as something like wikipedia I don't see why it won't disconnect from the value of other cryptocurrencies and take its own life - the price could very well be $1/coin in 3-10 years time.
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I just PMed Max2838 about it (they wrote the initial message announcing it). We'll see what they say about it.
I bought a B&N card from the site last week (goods on their way) so may just be a christmas holiday thing.

Yeah, hopefully it's just something simple, site maintenance, etc.
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I just PMed Max2838 about it (they wrote the initial message announcing it). We'll see what they say about it.
I bought a B&N card from the site last week (goods on their way) so may just be a christmas holiday thing.
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Anybody know what's up with altcoincards.com? Was gonna go spend some devcoin and all the internal links 'can't be found.'

The same thing is happening to me, too.  I don't know whats up with it, though.


I just PMed Max2838 about it (they wrote the initial message announcing it). We'll see what they say about it.
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Anybody know what's up with altcoincards.com? Was gonna go spend some devcoin and all the internal links 'can't be found.'

The same thing is happening to me, too.  I don't know whats up with it, though.

Guys, when do you think devcoin could pop, I'm talking $0.10+.

I have been seeing many threads about what coin will pop in 2014 but nobody ever mentions dvc..

More press releases!  Smiley
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Novacadian: For some background, there was a forum created in the past that I linked to, but it also tripped at the same problem. However I'm not sure if everybody's been aware of those requirements so should have been clearer if they weren't. I also just want it to work as there's growing interest in devcoin and this thread is hard to navigate so if you guys can make it happen that would be great.

The background is appreciated. The Project does not seem a trivial one without having root access to procmail. My tenure as a scraper, for a group of  Russians during a slow time a few years ago, may be finally paying off. God knows they didn't. Grin

*Nova glances over his shoulder and gets back to scripting*

- Nova

[Edit: typo ]
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No, not at all. It was a knee jerk reaction. Another dev at an exchange we are all familiar with backed out on a deal with me at the same time, so I killed everything. Childish. But at least I'm admitting it.

And I am very appreciative of what Devtome allows me to do. I have two more projects in the works, one of which is my first foray into sci-fi, which I really think is simply awesome.

Are you in favor of me registering devto.me as a domain and trying to rework what I created before? If I can find a willing participant, I would be happy to hand of most if not all of the rights for the benefit of creating a forum that fits your guidelines.

EDIT: It's in my shopping cart right now and I'm ready to hit enter to so I can grab it.
And your work is probably some of the best on Devtome. None of you should give bin efforts - Fuzzy also might be interested for all we know - even if it takes 3 to get it going and share the reward, that's better than 1 and nothing. Better for everyone.
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Are you in favor of me registering devto.me as a domain and trying to rework what I created before? If I can find a willing participant, I would be happy to hand of most if not all of the rights for the benefit of creating a forum that fits your guidelines.

EDIT: It's in my shopping cart right now and I'm ready to hit enter to so I can grab it.

Whoa, waitasec, are you suggesting you make a closed soruce forum?

Surely the bounty is for open source?

Also I think Unthinkinbit already secured the doman he wants the forum to be run on?

-MarkM-


I guess I'm way out of my league. I thought the domain purchase would have to be on someone's nickle anyway and I'm willing to do it. I though devto.me was fitting. Perhaps not.

I'm basically of the opinion to go for it. The source is open. It's all SMF. And I would think that those here would have access enough to fiddle around with whatever they wanted anyway. But again, I may be way off target and need some readjustment.

Again, it's just me getting excited and wanting to get something going. All the talk is great, but I want to see some results.
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Guys, when do you think devcoin could pop, I'm talking $0.10+.

For Devcoin to pop, I think everything should be in place.

1. General acceptance crypto currency by the public
2. Smooth clients (PC, mobile, Glass, whatever) that can hide the cryptic addresses (sending to a name instead a hash key)
3. Sufficient value of DVC to be able to fund big and persuasive projects

It feels like a lottery ticket right now, but I am confident it will lead to something. In the current form or in a different manner.

Thats why I added ability to send or recv via QR codes... so later when I get the android wallet in you can use your smart phone to send rcv coins using QR codes instead of addresses.
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Are you in favor of me registering devto.me as a domain and trying to rework what I created before? If I can find a willing participant, I would be happy to hand of most if not all of the rights for the benefit of creating a forum that fits your guidelines.

EDIT: It's in my shopping cart right now and I'm ready to hit enter to so I can grab it.

Whoa, waitasec, are you suggesting you make a closed source forum?

Surely the bounty is for open source?

Also I think Unthinkinbit already secured the domain he wants the forum to be run on?

-MarkM-
eeh
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Thanks for the note. If I get up the courage to reactive the site (which I killed in a fit of pity), then I will happily give you the full goods to the site to do as you will. I just want it to work. Yeah, the bounties are great and make me a little jealous, but hey, I'm mostly a writer. So if you want me to pull a resurrection of the material, I would be happy to hand it over.
Good to see the collaboration, but jealous? You earned 120 shares from writing last round, way more than anyone else I believe. You worked for it so that's not me having a dig at you as I've explained before - I'd say that to the fabled queen of sheba - but the incentive structure is generally quite reversed so I don't think pity is in order here.

Novacadian: For some background, there was a forum created in the past that I linked to, but it also tripped at the same problem. However I'm not sure if everybody's been aware of those requirements so should have been clearer if they weren't. I also just want it to work as there's growing interest in devcoin and this thread is hard to navigate so if you guys can make it happen that would be great.

No, not at all. It was a knee jerk reaction. Another dev at an exchange we are all familiar with backed out on a deal with me at the same time, so I killed everything. Childish. But at least I'm admitting it.

And I am very appreciative of what Devtome allows me to do. I have two more projects in the works, one of which is my first foray into sci-fi, which I really think is simply awesome.

Are you in favor of me registering devto.me as a domain and trying to rework what I created before? If I can find a willing participant, I would be happy to hand of most if not all of the rights for the benefit of creating a forum that fits your guidelines.

EDIT: It's in my shopping cart right now and I'm ready to hit enter to so I can grab it.
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Thanks for the note. If I get up the courage to reactive the site (which I killed in a fit of pity), then I will happily give you the full goods to the site to do as you will. I just want it to work. Yeah, the bounties are great and make me a little jealous, but hey, I'm mostly a writer. So if you want me to pull a resurrection of the material, I would be happy to hand it over.
Good to see the collaboration, but jealous? You earned 120 shares from writing last round, way more than anyone else I believe. You worked for it so that's not me having a dig at you as I've explained before - I'd say that to the fabled queen of sheba - but the incentive structure is generally quite reversed so I don't think pity is in order here.

Novacadian: For some background, there was a forum created in the past that I linked to, but it also tripped at the same problem. However I'm not sure if everybody's been aware of those requirements so should have been clearer if they weren't. I also just want it to work as there's growing interest in devcoin and this thread is hard to navigate so if you guys can make it happen that would be great.
eeh
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It's all good. I'm feeling sorry for myself. Not your problem.

Not at all, eeh. It seems to me that you have a very valid point. The incentives for programming, to my way of thinking, are vastly outweighed compared to the incentives to add to the DevTomes for example. There is no risk like the one you had taken.

If you are not doing it for the joy of programming then one would be constantly looking over their shoulder for someone, like me, coming up behind you.

If my email wrapper finally meets the criteria of the bounty (working at the moment yet not very pretty) then perhaps we can collaborate on the other aspects of the bounty as well as some sharing in the admin responsibilities. Open Source to me is cooperation not competition and it would not make me feel very good should the rug be pulled out from under you by me.

Let's see if my rug is not pulled out first; then if not we can talk more in PM how to finish things up at that time in a cooperative manner.

- Nova

Thanks for the note. If I get up the courage to reactive the site (which I killed in a fit of pity), then I will happily give you the full goods to the site to do as you will. I just want it to work. Yeah, the bounties are great and make me a little jealous, but hey, I'm mostly a writer. So if you want me to pull a resurrection of the material, I would be happy to hand it over.
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It's all good. I'm feeling sorry for myself. Not your problem.

Not at all, eeh. It seems to me that you have a very valid point. The incentives for programming, to my way of thinking, are vastly outweighed compared to the incentives to add to the DevTomes for example. There is no risk like the one you had taken.

If you are not doing it for the joy of programming then one would be constantly looking over their shoulder for someone, like me, coming up behind you.

If my email wrapper finally meets the criteria of the bounty (working at the moment yet not very pretty) then perhaps we can collaborate on the other aspects of the bounty as well as some sharing in the admin responsibilities. Open Source to me is cooperation not competition and it would not make me feel very good should the rug be pulled out from under you by me.

Let's see if my rug is not pulled out first; then if not we can talk more in PM how to finish things up at that time in a cooperative manner.

- Nova
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It's all good. I'm feeling sorry for myself. Not your problem.
I know. You've hit upon an issue others hit already. Hopefully soon to be addressed as I think there will be a lot more interest and posts when the venue flow is sorted.
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I would also like to add that the bounty regarding the SMF forum was completed with steps two and three. I was not able to create an internal email system other than PM. But I did create black lists and the ability to create and administer forum admin and mods. Just sayin'.

I felt rather put off after working the issues, adding the appropriate tweeks and then being told that the bounty was not able to be applied because I had skipped over the email system. It seems like with all that work that someone with more experience could come in and adjust the email option.
I think the point was that the email step was the difficult coding part from the onset. Anyway, I'd like to say that although I appreciate there are different perspectives on a forum, Fuzzy did create one http://devcointalk.org/ and it gets interest and posts. A few of us try to field and answer queries but it would be great if more people could help out. I hope there's a conclusion to the issue - whoever and however - but in the interim it seems stupid to be largely ignoring people who come along with interest in devcoin. It exists and surely we can worry about migrating the userbase when there's something to migrate them to.

It's all good. I'm feeling sorry for myself. Not your problem.
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I would also like to add that the bounty regarding the SMF forum was completed with steps two and three. I was not able to create an internal email system other than PM. But I did create black lists and the ability to create and administer forum admin and mods. Just sayin'.

I felt rather put off after working the issues, adding the appropriate tweeks and then being told that the bounty was not able to be applied because I had skipped over the email system. It seems like with all that work that someone with more experience could come in and adjust the email option.
I think the point was that the email step was the difficult coding part from the onset. Anyway, I'd like to say that although I appreciate there are different perspectives on a forum, Fuzzy did create one http://devcointalk.org/ and it gets interest and posts. A few of us try to field and answer queries but it would be great if more people could help out. I hope there's a conclusion to the issue - whoever and however - but in the interim it seems stupid to be largely ignoring people who come along with interest in devcoin. It exists and surely we can worry about migrating the userbase when there's something to migrate them to.
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May I propose a 9 share award for Hunterbunter's site?

EDIT: I figured it out; my name is listed as smeagol and Smeagol on the files!  Smiley

Thanks, Smeagol! And I will +1 the idea of giving 9 shares. I like the site, Smiley.
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I agree, this site needs a chunk, what a very cool thing to implement!
eeh
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I would also like to add that the bounty regarding the SMF forum was completed with steps two and three. I was not able to create an internal email system other than PM. But I did create black lists and the ability to create and administer forum admin and mods. Just sayin'.

I felt rather put off after working the issues, adding the appropriate tweeks and then being told that the bounty was not able to be applied because I had skipped over the email system. It seems like with all that work that someone with more experience could come in and adjust the email option.
eeh
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I've created an online ticker-type website for devcoin against the dollar for the chart bounty.
Quote from: Devtome
18 shares for a chart which shows the price of devcoins in USD. The chart should show prices from at least 3 months in the past.
http://dvcticker.bugs3.com/

I am wondering how I can automatically create a javascript chart or excel file to record the prices hourly or daily. (e.g. the chart automatically updates each hour based on site data)  I will give 5 shares from the bounty if you can assist me!  (maybe more, too!)  Smiley

Funny timing...I've been playing with Excel and importing various exchange information into them so I can determine a good arb.

One solution:

1. In Excel (I use the most recent Office) click on Data on the toolbar.
2. On the left, click "From Web" and enter the URL of an exchange. I've not been able to import some sites, like Coinex (no DVC, but a good example) and mcxNOW (now dead to DVC). Every other DVC exchange that I know of works fine (cryptsy, crypto-trade, cryptocoincharts, vircurex). Cycle through the prompts you're given.
3. To organize, choose an empty cell and use the following formulas:
 a. To retrieve the ticker symbol "=LEFT(Cryptsy!A15,3)" [LEFT tells Excel to start from the left of the cell in tab "Cryptsy" starting in cell A15 and responds with the first 3 characters.]
 b. To retrieve text from the middle "=MID('BTC-e'!A24,5,3)" [Here I'm reading a mid character, from sheet BTC-e, cell A24, starting with the 5th digit, returning 3 characters. BTC-e data pulls differently than Cryptsy and Coinex.]
 c. To retrieve the last price "=RIGHT(Cryptsy!A15,10)" [Returns the leftmost 10 characters.]

After adding the formulas, cut and paste them into a different tab. I just created tabs for the exchanges and then BTC, LTC, DVC, etc. The reason is that when you refresh your data, anything else on that sheet will be purged. So that's why you see my examples above with tab names instead of just cell names.

After doing the above steps, you can see all the prices in a convenient location representing the different exchanges at a glance. You can set refresh to auto or manual. You *can* save it as an html or pdf output, but it won't keep your formulas.

Let me know if I need to clarify anything.

Just a reminder that I have been working on creating user level works arounds for creating their own tracking mechanisms.
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