[DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated - page 276.

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Quote from: Unthinkingbit on January 03, 2014, 03:18:53 PM

Quote from: Hunterbunter on January 01, 2014, 09:49:56 PM

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I can get it to just compare lowercase-lowercase, that'll solve that problem, but it entirely depends on whether different people will be using the same names with different capitalizations in the future. If it's safe to assume not, this is easily fixable.

People must use different names. Please change it to compare lowercase-lowercase.

Quote from: Hunterbunter on January 01, 2014, 10:12:42 AM

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If you just put the round number in without a name, it'll come up with all the shares for that block - missing the bitcoin and devcoin share lists, because they were labelled differently to the others and I'm too tired now to figure out how to include them (Unthinkingbit - any chance you can put a 1-BitcoinShareList or something for the share list peeps in the account files?

Done, Emfox's script should grab the updated version of account.py in a day.

On top of the Smeagol's suggestion:

Quote from: smeagol on January 01, 2014, 01:41:01 PM

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May I propose a 9 share award for Hunterbunter's site?
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I suggest an additional 9 share payment for fixing the lowercase uppercase problem and for other improvements, any objections?

I think that all code must be open source for devcoin. So where can I find the source code of this site dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com (ticker and shares view) ?

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Quote from: markm on January 03, 2014, 04:51:14 PM

I think various methods were worked out whereby people could somehow double-blindedly create a coin. None of the people would have the whole private key, or something like that. Such thigns were much discussed over the years.

-MarkM-

Due to the nature of your posts, I have a great deal of respect for your comments.

I'm not asking for a treatise, but could you expand on that comment a little?

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I think various methods were worked out whereby people could somehow double-blindedly create a coin. None of the people would have the whole private key, or something like that. Such things were much discussed over the years.

For more info. use search function of the forum...

-MarkM-

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I do not give financial advice .. do your own DD

Quote from: eeh on January 03, 2014, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: Papacrusher on January 03, 2014, 04:11:27 PM

That is a very interesting concept, would love to see a mock up. I would definitely be interested.

Part of the expense is design. I would have to ask the engraver to submit drafts and then submit them to the Devcoin community for comment.

I checked with 3M and a few others for security, but my initial quantity is so low, that I would have to settle with the coin cover with a security strip.

The hurdle that I just can NOT overcome, mostly from markm's comments in other sections, is how to give the buyer the confidence that the wallet and private key are secure. I just don't see a way to guarantee that to the buyer. If I were a scammer, I could potentially just keep all the details and cash it in at any time. Maybe it would have to be a partial key, but then that requires the user to do some work on their end and I want to keep it simple. The value of the metal itself would of course be attractive...silver or gold would have their own value built in, but I'd love to tackle the cold storage plus coin concept. It's very attractive to me in promoting a coin. It wouldn't be Casascius, of course.

If the coins were sold from the Devcoin.org site or something similar like MintedDevcoins.com it could help to oliviate the fears people might have about being scammed.

I think it is a pretty cool idea.

As a side note...

It might be a good idea to not use a precious metal in the manufacture of the coins. Some governments might object to anyone minting a coin and then having others trying to treat it as currency. If the coins was made out of a non-precious metal such as aluminum, I think it would be considered more of a novelty item.

If the coin was viewed as more of a novelty item one could sell them on ebay with a title that goes something like "10000 Devcoin - With Free Novelty Aluminum Devcoin."

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Quote from: Papacrusher on January 03, 2014, 04:11:27 PM

That is a very interesting concept, would love to see a mock up. I would definitely be interested.

Part of the expense is design. I would have to ask the engraver to submit drafts and then submit them to the Devcoin community for comment.

I checked with 3M and a few others for security, but my initial quantity is so low, that I would have to settle with the coin cover with a security strip.

The hurdle that I just can NOT overcome, mostly from markm's comments in other sections, is how to give the buyer the confidence that the wallet and private key are secure. I just don't see a way to guarantee that to the buyer. If I were a scammer, I could potentially just keep all the details and cash it in at any time. Maybe it would have to be a partial key, but then that requires the user to do some work on their end and I want to keep it simple. The value of the metal itself would of course be attractive...silver or gold would have their own value built in, but I'd love to tackle the cold storage plus coin concept. It's very attractive to me in promoting a coin. It wouldn't be Casascius, of course.

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Quote from: Tibbers on January 03, 2014, 01:41:43 PM

Here is the Devcoin video. I finally got it on youtube, link is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It86dUFb_H4&feature=youtu.be

Nice video. My comment is the reference to a decreasing amount of coins created in the future. This is the case with Bitcoin, but not with Devcoin. It will always be 180 million new coins per round.

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Quote from: eeh on January 03, 2014, 04:08:59 PM

Just curious...

Is there any interest in a physical Devcoin?

I had considered this before but don't want to get stuck with an enormous inventory.

Once concept that is attractive to me: Two pieces, screw together, with cold storage inside in the amount of 10K. Comes in a transparent coin case with a protective security tape on the case.

Not committing to it yet, just gauging interest.

That is a very interesting concept, would love to see a mock up. I would definitely be interested.

Papa

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Just curious...

Is there any interest in a physical Devcoin?

I had considered this before but don't want to get stuck with an enormous inventory.

Once concept that is attractive to me: Two pieces, screw together, with cold storage inside in the amount of 10K. Comes in a transparent coin case with a protective security tape on the case.

Not committing to it yet, just gauging interest.

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Quote from: Wekkel on January 03, 2014, 03:34:02 PM

I would love to test the Android client, but I need a link to the app then.

Yep, just the apk file would be fine by me.

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Quote from: tenthirtyone on January 03, 2014, 09:43:42 AM

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I wasn't sure what the present situation was with your forum. I've seen devcointalk. That's why I released the mod. It would have been easier just to write the ticker code but I didn't consider that complete if no one knew what to do with it. The packages made that easier.

If you need me to run a forum I can do that. I had planned on doing the forum bounties as modules though, so you aren't tied to me as the admin. Anyone can install a module.

I am willing to admin and I am willing to code. I can do one or both. I have no problem reviewing others code, working with others, etc. I've done tech for a while now and the one thing that has been consistent is flexibility.

Would this make me an official devcoin/devtome admin in some way?

You're now forum admin. I'll ask the holder of the coinzen.org domain to send it to you. As people join, please delegate everything you can. Eeh and Novacadian have done work on the email, so please work on the other parts and incorporate their email work. Make a section for devcoin, and also for a few other coins like bitcoin, litecoin, bbqcoin and peercoin, eventually at least the top fifty coins will have their section, but you only need a few coins to start. It'll be a while before people interested in other coins join, but the sections should be made first to welcome them.

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I would love to test the Android client, but I need a link to the app then.

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Quote from: sidhujag on January 02, 2014, 04:57:47 PM

Working on the android wallet for DVC, got my first transaction

Android wallet works in conjunction with the new devcoin client, no new devcoin client = no android wallet.

devcoinj (bitcoinj) minimum protocol version is 7000 (bitcoin 0.8.5), so older client peers wont be able to connect. This is not a fork, its just that the wallet will only work by connecting to peers once the new client is being used and the DNS nodes are updated to the new software.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/devcoin/files/devcoinj.PNG/download

I suggest a 4 share bounty for the first informative testing post of the Android devcoin wallet, then 3 shares, then 2, then 1. It might not be possible to test it until there are new peers, so it might not be possible to test it now, in which case the bounty would just be in wait.

Also, Sidhujag is now Source Admin.

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I really liked the mycelium wallet, having ported it over to DVC I realized it was using a centralized API to act as "supernodes" and force the wallet to funnel through the MyCelium server's in order to get/send transactions. Since this API is working on their server acting as a bitcoin server it wouldn't work for my dvc transactions so I wasn't seeing my coins being sent to it. I asked them if they would allow us to clone their API to work for devcoin, but I still am not sure about it since it woudl be a centralized solution, although no blockchain downloading would be necessary and it is super fast.

Currently it only takes a few hours to download the devcoin block chain, so we don't need it yet. Maybe in a year or two the block chain will get so fat that we'll want to avoid downloading it.

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Quote from: Hunterbunter on January 01, 2014, 09:49:56 PM

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I can get it to just compare lowercase-lowercase, that'll solve that problem, but it entirely depends on whether different people will be using the same names with different capitalizations in the future. If it's safe to assume not, this is easily fixable.

People must use different names. Please change it to compare lowercase-lowercase.

Quote from: Hunterbunter on January 01, 2014, 10:12:42 AM

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If you just put the round number in without a name, it'll come up with all the shares for that block - missing the bitcoin and devcoin share lists, because they were labelled differently to the others and I'm too tired now to figure out how to include them (Unthinkingbit - any chance you can put a 1-BitcoinShareList or something for the share list peeps in the account files?

Done, Emfox's script should grab the updated version of account.py in a day.

On top of the Smeagol's suggestion:

Quote from: smeagol on January 01, 2014, 01:41:01 PM

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May I propose a 9 share award for Hunterbunter's site?
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I suggest an additional 9 share payment for fixing the lowercase uppercase problem and for other improvements, any objections?

Edit: The code must be open source. All code bounties are for open source code.

markm

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Quote from: Tibbers on January 03, 2014, 01:41:43 PM

Here is the Devcoin video. I finally got it on youtube, link is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It86dUFb_H4&feature=youtu.be

s/maystart/may start/

s/Moto/Motto/

This is a bit subtle maybe but when it says popularity is on the rise and shows a generally on average rising plot-line, the line ends on a downwards slope not an upwards slope. Wouldn't it be better for that last hint as to where it is headed be an upwards one?

-MarkM-

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Quote from: melodiem on January 03, 2014, 09:50:21 AM

The disadvantages to leaping into a techy world as a writer armed only with a laptop and imagination are obvious, but I'm determined! If anyone could help with this dumb newbie question, Id be so grateful.

You are not alone, I'm right there with you! It has been a learning experience to say the least

Tibbers

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Here is the Devcoin video. I finally got it on youtube, link is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It86dUFb_H4&feature=youtu.be

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Quote from: melodiem on January 03, 2014, 10:51:59 AM

Thankyou Weisoq

Its a great answer. It does raise the question however, what is a flag, and how do I set one?

Yeah was hoping you wouldn't ask that

I think it's referring to features that can be enabled on the client, referring to the state of a particular variable - in this case addresses. Devcoin (and other) wallets or clients can be started and run via the command line, which provides greater flexibility in changing the settings, or a 'flag' added to the program shortcut.

But how to do that here, honestly I have no idea, so I'm hoping someone can dig me out of this hole and answer that for you. I will say that you shouldn't need to change it, as they're effectively 'in the background' - you can use settings to highlight particular send/receiving addresses.

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Quote from: shakezula on January 03, 2014, 12:06:27 AM

Quote from: jdlrexy on January 02, 2014, 10:14:33 PM

I've notice that there is no wikipedia page for devcoin. So many people get their general knowledge from wikipedia that it just makes sense to create a page. Maybe a small bounty need to be established for someone to put it together. Would probably just require moving info from Devtome or the website. It can really help spread awareness.

I volunteer to manage a Devcoin page on Wikipedia. I have already begun the page using the Devtome bits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devcoin

I will work on the formatting, additional information, and complete the article over the next day or two. If there is a bounty decided upon for this work, I'll graciously accept.

hm, it's already marked for deletion. We need sources.

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Quote from: weisoq on January 03, 2014, 10:33:52 AM

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When you first run the client, it creates a number of addresses for you. I think it defaults to 100. When you receive a payment on the currently shown addresses, it will then show a new one. It also will use these addresses for change addresses which can be a source of confusion for people as well. So you have, unless you set a flag, had at least 100 addresses internally. What this also means is that you can not backup your wallet.dat file once and be done with it. You need to maintain fresh backups.

This was the response when I asked the same question. Basically means that's normal as there's always a queue of 100 unused addresses.
If that doesn't make sense keep asking questions.

Thankyou Weisoq

Its a great answer. It does raise the question however, what is a flag, and how do I set one?

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Quote from: melodiem on January 03, 2014, 09:50:21 AM

Is anyone on this thread able to help me with a Devcoin wallet question?

I have the Gui for windows installed and it was working nicely, showing up balance etc, but in the address book I had 6 receiving addresses all labelled, now it seems to be making it's own addresses? Is this normal, and if so how do I remove all the extra addresses I will never use? (Or at least move them down the screen so the ones I do use are not at the bottom?)

The disadvantages to leaping into a techy world as a writer armed only with a laptop and imagination are obvious, but I'm determined! If anyone could help with this dumb newbie question, Id be so grateful.

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When you first run the client, it creates a number of addresses for you. I think it defaults to 100. When you receive a payment on the currently shown addresses, it will then show a new one. It also will use these addresses for change addresses which can be a source of confusion for people as well. So you have, unless you set a flag, had at least 100 addresses internally. What this also means is that you can not backup your wallet.dat file once and be done with it. You need to maintain fresh backups.

This was the response when I asked the same question. Basically means that's normal as there's always a queue of 100 unused addresses.
If that doesn't make sense keep asking questions.

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