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December 30, 2013, 08:47:11 AM
I may have missed something in the bounty, but I do not see where it has to be related to DVC or increasing the value of DVC.  As a matter of fact, the bounty says "It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks".

My article was 1000+ words, understandable, published on devtome, and is about group buying which I see as an investment club or "any other way to make money by investing", which is mentioned in the original bounty.  

All that being said, I 100% respect the decision of the admins as to whether or not the article meets the requirements of the bounties with no hard feelings  Smiley

I hope this did not come across as disrespectful, that is never, never my intention.
Papa
It doesn't come across as disrespectful and I hope my post which is just my opinion didn't either. The devcoin aspect - ok perhaps my misunderstanding or assumptions of devcoin bounties.

My point was that the bounties are for a plan, not an idea. So perhaps we just have a difference of opinion as to what a plan is and whether a plan is about the past, present or future - and whether in the case of direct financial investment such as yours there needs to be more comprehensive analysis and forecasting. For example, this is directed at people reading the devcoin thread. So do they invest USD or BTC from DVC exchange? What conversion rates are estimated? How does price variance affect ROI? What have historical returns on DZ Miner (and competion) been? How is that forecast to change with difficulty and hardware advances? How does that affect ROI etc? You refer to ROI but don't put an actual or target number on it.

This is not directed only at your plan, just that a rational investment needs a more detailed investment plan or it's just an idea, or a punt. Perhaps you have done all that analysis and research, but then shouldn't you outline it in the plan? If the numbers make sense then I for one would certainly be interested.
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December 30, 2013, 05:45:34 AM
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12 shares for the first five investment business plans, and 6 shares for the next five plans. The business plan would have to go on devtome, make sense, and be at least 500 words. The business plan can be about an investment club, investment strategy, speculation strategy, or another other way of making money by investing. It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks. If someone later makes a publicly traded company from that plan, the writer will get another six shares.

I may have missed something in the bounty, but I do not see where it has to be related to DVC or increasing the value of DVC.  As a matter of fact, the bounty says "It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks".

My article was 1000+ words, understandable, published on devtome, and is about group buying which I see as an investment club or "any other way to make money by investing", which is mentioned in the original bounty. 

All that being said, I 100% respect the decision of the admins as to whether or not the article meets the requirements of the bounties with no hard feelings  Smiley

I hope this did not come across as disrespectful, that is never, never my intention.


Papa
legendary
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December 30, 2013, 03:58:13 AM
So when is their margin call? When do they have to buy at market to service their debt because dvc
is too high? When many ppl short at a low price the average margin call price is known so you get a short covering rally.

The shorting example of a possible future use of the interest calculation scripts is just an example of what such scripts could be useful for in the future; the long term secured loans that General Financial Corp currently operates do not operate on a margin calls basis; rather, reposession corps have been created and deployed that have repossessed the operations of clients who were long long in default, and those repo corps are the ones my previous post begins to describe.

Basically the scripts use an hourly compounding basis for futire compatibility with applications in which hour by hour is required more than it possibly might be required for these current kinds of long term loans.

Furthermore notice the provision of a "latest rates" file, and historical tables and plots of rates. There are no-where near enough DeVCoins to pay off loans of this magnitude, the loans are denominated in DeVCoin mostly so as to prevent the kinds of severe problems exchange-rates had been causing; the Martians used such a table of rates to calculate how many DeVCoins the number of Martian BotCoins owed was purportedly worth in order to denominate their loan to General Financial Corp in DeVCoins instead of in Martian BotCoins.

If you observe the historical prices of deuterium over time, you will see that the primary currencies, MBC, CDN, UKB etc, were going up so rapidly in value that it no longer seemed practical to expect any deuterium-producers to ever manage to produce enough deuterium to pay back their initial original startup loans (which were 500 GMC and 500 GRF per such startup operation back when they started up). Thus, rather than allow the whole "defensive shell of galaxies around the home galaxies" plan to collapse, the governments, statesmen, corporations and such all worked to find a compromise that would allow the large scale intergalactic defense fleets plan to proceed; one of the results was to choose DeVCoin as the currency of choice for denominating such loans, since if you observe again the deuterium prices table, you will see that the price as expressed in DeVCoins was far far more stable than the price as expressed in any of the very rapidly appreciating currencies of the Milieu. Thus General Financial Corp was brought into existence.

(Although I saw just now in preparing that wiki page about First Galactic Repo that FGR has not yet re-financed their loans, thus are still racking up debt to the Brits, denominated in United Kingdom Britcoin (UKB) and to the United Nations, denominated in United Nations Scrip (UNS).)

The home galaxies need defence fleets, so ultimately it is all the civilised nations, aka civilisations, of the Galactic Milieu that want these operations to succeed, so even if General Mining Corp and General Retirement Corp for some reason prove unable to provide enough custom for the repo corps the governments of the civilised worlds will find some other way to ensure the operations continue.

-MarkM-
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December 30, 2013, 03:45:43 AM
I started a page about the very first of the many Galactic Repo Corps:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=first_galactic_repo

Going through each of it's planets typing-over the details of its current state of development seems kind of tedious so I thought having put a section about the first of its six planets I would come ask if this looks like what might be wanted or useful.

If it is, then maybe it could be worthwhile to look into developing some kind of automation that can grab the current status of a Corp's planets and transcribe them to the wiki or use them to generate a wiki page or whatever.

The basic plan of a Repo Corp is to use the proection of the planets that it repossessed to pay off the outstanding debts of the repossessed operation.

Accordingly I have listed the hourly production of the first planet, and the other planets would copy that same format, and the whole page's format would be copied for each of the Galactic Repo Corps, which so far comprise First Galactic Repo (FGR), Second Galactic Repo (SGR), Third Galactic Repo (TGR), and Galactic Repos 4 through 38 (GR4 through GR38).

I provided a link to a not yet existing wiki page [[Galactic Repo Corps]] as I think it will be more economical of words (thus pay me less shares, oh well) to put in such a page general background information such as that the main customers of these Corps, the buyers of their production (mostly the deuterium, for stockpiling against a day when the home galaxy defense fleets will need lots and lots and lots of it) are General Mining Corp and General Retirement Corp, both of which operate depots on several planets throughout the Galaxies Online family of galaxies.

The prices they pay for deuterium are show in a table that is linked from near the bottom of the page found at

http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html

-MarkM-
legendary
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December 30, 2013, 03:40:01 AM
I have updated http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=general_financial_corp

What does it need to turn it into "a business plan", if anything?

Some kind of plans, presumably, as to what it plans to do moving forward?

Or is just sitting there collecting more interest from its clients that it loans to while paying less interest to the Martians from whom they borrowed their operating capital a sufficient plan for now?

They currently charge their clients

INTEREST_RATE=1.00010405 # 0.25001900%/day compounded hourly

while being charged by the Martians

INTEREST_RATE=1.00005205 # 0.12499400%/day compounded hourly

The interest accrual scripts always use a minimum of one hour.

(That is partly so they could also be used in applications such as shorting and such without encouraging getting spammed with rapid-fire "borrow, repay, borrow, repay" kind of activity.)

-MarkM-

So when is their margin call? When do they have to buy at market to service their debt because dvc
is too high? When many ppl short at a low price the average margin call price is known so you get a short covering rally.
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December 30, 2013, 03:25:08 AM
Um, that article doesn't seem to offer people any way to invest in your plan, nor indicate in what way it is a business (who are the customers of the business, how do they buy the service or product)...
Yeah I'd agree with that. I understood the bounty as for a plan that will either make a return in devcoins or add value to devcoins. Both have ideas but nothing substantial enough to actually implement without additional information and analysis or backtesting.

On your stuff mark, I'd have thought an automated system of what you're already doing with the vircurex orderbook, particularly if incorporated into the work of one of the corps, would fit the bill. That could be as an investable entity or even just as an effort that works to reinforce dvc price and liquidity without necessarily being something others can invest in. I don't really get what the 'corps' are doing at the moment or what their relationship is to each other, so perhaps something already fits the bill, not sure.
legendary
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December 30, 2013, 01:48:05 AM
I have updated http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=general_financial_corp

What does it need to turn it into "a business plan", if anything?

Some kind of plans, presumably, as to what it plans to do moving forward?

Or is just sitting there collecting more interest from its clients that it loans to while paying less interest to the Martians from whom they borrowed their operating capital a sufficient plan for now?

They currently charge their clients

INTEREST_RATE=1.00010405 # 0.25001900%/day compounded hourly

while being charged by the Martians

INTEREST_RATE=1.00005205 # 0.12499400%/day compounded hourly

The interest accrual scripts always use a minimum of one hour.

(That is partly so they could also be used in applications such as shorting and such without encouraging getting spammed with rapid-fire "borrow, repay, borrow, repay" kind of activity.)

-MarkM-
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December 30, 2013, 12:44:31 AM
As a side note they also only let you have 100 open positions at any one time (according to their API page), which means you could only really have 100 santoshis difference between the lowest and highest prices, and if you're creating buy as well as sell orders, it's only really 50 santoshis either way. Seeing as you've put in lots of orders already, does this mean you have hundreds/thousands of open orders on vircurex? Also, is it more important for you to set the price in 1 santoshi increments, or set the range (eg 50-350 santoshis) with it working out the increments itself?

I have many hundreds of open orders.

I have many on the same price, even, because I have started back at one satoshi all over again many times by now.

Ok, I'll see if it's just outdated documentation, perhaps it lets more than 100 now. Will test with the api and see.

legendary
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December 29, 2013, 11:21:44 PM
I would like to claim the following bounty with this article: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=investment_plan.  If there are no objections, I will receive 12 shares.  (Please feel free to go on the article and open a discussion on the talk page about corrections, inaccuracies, and improvements.)
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12 shares for the first five investment business plans, and 6 shares for the next five plans. The business plan would have to go on devtome, make sense, and be at least 500 words. The business plan can be about an investment club, investment strategy, speculation strategy, or another other way of making money by investing. It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks. If someone later makes a publicly traded company from that plan, the writer will get another six shares.

Um, that article doesn't seem to offer people any way to invest in your plan, nor indicate in what way it is a business (who are the customers of the business, how do they buy the service or product).

I think the bounties were not so much about a how to guide to how to invest personally in cryptocurrencies but, rather, about plans for businesses or investment funds or suchlike in which other people could invest or that provide services or goods for other people ("customers").

Spiff up your daytrading plan with some kind of shares people can buy into or something to make is a daytrading business, selling the service of daytrading to people or offering shares people can buy to get a portion of the profits or something and then I'd say okay that seems like a business.

As it is so far it seems more of a guide as to how employees (daytraders) of such a business could go about doing their job than a plan as to how such a business would operate in the sense of how it plans to attract and serve customers and earn hopefully eventually some profit doing so.

Maybe things like how many shares will be issued, how it will wind down being a business and move to being a private investment in the event it makes enough profit to no longer need "other people's money" in order to do its trading, how it will deal with losses, on what latform or by what method it will administrate its shares if it plans to sell shares of itself rather than just sell daytrading-as-a-service...

I have also thought about this kind of business, asking myself whether it is something General FInancial Corp should include among its activities or some new Corp should be launched to do it (General Trading Corp, maybe?) but I am not sure the volume is there, enough volume to be able to work with enough of "other people's money" to be able to pay a reasonable hourly wage to one or more daytraders and still come out ahead aka still either grow the Corp's capital or issue profits as dividends to shareholders.

How much do you or the business's employees currently make per day daytrading? What kind of wages do the daytrader(s) make, what kind of profits if any are left over after paying the daytrader(s)? How risky is it, do you see many days of no or negative income? What happens if there is not enough income to pay the wages? Etc.

How much of other people's money can the business accomodate? There is only so much capital one can reasonably move around in those markets isn't there? Or do you have a plan whereby even if someone said okay sure count me in for a hundred thousand bitcoins worth your traders would be able to operate effectively making reasonable profits for such an investor or customer?

Re the guestimate of receiver shares, it is merely a mean/average, the actual sending out of shares is a round-robin. Thus the more times the 4000 blocks gets to go around the robin (list), the closer it will be able to approach smooth/even distribution. The closer the number of shares in a round is to the limit of 4000 the more the difference in how many times around a given person was included in will make chunky differences / deviations from that mathematical ideal (the mean/average).

That is another reason to want to keep the number of shares per round low: it will get to loop more times through the list, so that being one of the odd ones out that didn't get included in the last loop-through would be less of a difference from what other people with the same number of shares in that round got.

For example if there are 3999 shares, one share gets looped-through twice. If there are 3991 shares, nine shares get looped through twice, and so on.


Back to the "business plan", I now see Unthinkingbit approved it. Unthinkingbit, could you explain a little more what you mean by "a business", inasmuch as I don't see any customers in Smeagol's plan, it looks to me more like a how to play the markets guide or something along those lines.

EDIT: Just to add some clarity: long ago on NetMarketingForum dot com I learned that the big, major, massive difference between a business and a self-employed job is employees. Being self-employed is a hobby (if it is not making profit) or a job, not a business. The big challenge is to turn it into a business, that is, to make it scale-able, to make it not be limited to just what the one person can do as their hobby or job. If it is just you, you are just doing a job, and often not a particularly profitable one, in fact often working for less than minimum wage, which is not sustainable when you need to start replacing that employee with someone else who will do that job for the business or expand by hiring more people to do that job for the business in addition to the person currently doing it.

-MarkM-
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December 29, 2013, 11:05:02 PM
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I would like to claim the following bounty with this article: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=investment_plan.  If there are no objections, I will receive 12 shares.  (Please feel free to go on the article and open a discussion on the talk page about corrections, inaccuracies, and improvements.)

You'll get 12 shares, there are four 12 share bounties remaining. Since there will be other investment plans, please make the title more specific, like Altcoin Day Trading or Investment Plan (Smeagol).
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December 29, 2013, 10:16:21 PM

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12 shares for the first five investment business plans, and 6 shares for the next five plans. The business plan would have to go on devtome, make sense, and be at least 500 words. The business plan can be about an investment club, investment strategy, speculation strategy, or another other way of making money by investing. It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks. If someone later makes a publicly traded company from that plan, the writer will get another six shares.

I also would like to claim 12 shares based on my article located here:  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=plan_for_investing_in_group_buys , of course that is if there are no objections.

I am extremely new to http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=start and this is just one of a few articles that I have written and I sincerely hope that it met the requirements and expectations of the site.  Thanks again to the admins for allowing me this opportunity.

I also noticed that I am on the bounty list for a previous bounty, but my username and articles do not appear to be on the receiver list for word count.  I'm sure that this just takes time, but I just wanted to make sure that I did not miss a step on my part.
legendary
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December 29, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I am announcing something bounty-related.

Since there were no objections, the share distribution here is now finalized:
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Tagbond: 9 shares for devcoin integration
Sidhujag: 6 shares for working with Mark to get devcoin onto tag bonds exchange
EEh: 3 for tagbond site http://devcoin.tagbond.com/

This bounty is now active: (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now&#vircurex_order_spread_api_call_or_bot) <-- Why are there question symbols when you hover over "API"?
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I agree that it would be great to place a spread of orders. If someone finds an API call that does this, or finds a bot that already can do this I suggest 4 shares. If it turns out you need to modify or develop a bot to do this, 24 shares for coding. Any objections, or should something be changed?

There were some additions/objections/suggestions to this bounty; two current proposals are to eliminate the bounty entirely or reduce the share count to 4.  To clarify, this bounty includes icons such as the send and receive icon, the "about devcoin" sidebar image, and the splash screen.
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I would like to propose a bounty for qt images and new icons.  8 shares for the images and icons used in the qt, 4 shares for the second best set of icons.

I would like to claim the following bounty with this article: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=investment_plan.  If there are no objections, I will receive 12 shares.  (Please feel free to go on the article and open a discussion on the talk page about corrections, inaccuracies, and improvements.)
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12 shares for the first five investment business plans, and 6 shares for the next five plans. The business plan would have to go on devtome, make sense, and be at least 500 words. The business plan can be about an investment club, investment strategy, speculation strategy, or another other way of making money by investing. It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks. If someone later makes a publicly traded company from that plan, the writer will get another six shares.

Finally, http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=where_to_spend_your_devcoins has been updated with http://altcoincards.com/ and businesses which are not accessible anymore have been moved to the bottom of the article.  If you know of a business that is not listed on the page, just contact me or add a short message to the article's talk page (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=talk:where_to_spend_your_devcoins) and I will add the business.

According to alot of the work done per share I think the image
bounty should stand i did spend half a day doing it and had to edit the src to get them in.. I also addrd the qt about image in recently which was missing in 1.0.8...

I had to manually create the splashscreens and couldnt use mspaint because it doesnt support transparency I had to use an online image editor that does support it. The testnet imagges were all created aswell. The installer also had some images I put in.
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December 29, 2013, 07:27:12 PM
Sorry for the double post, but I am announcing something bounty-related.

Since there were no objections, the share distribution here is now finalized:
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Tagbond: 9 shares for devcoin integration
Sidhujag: 6 shares for working with Mark to get devcoin onto tag bonds exchange
EEh: 3 for tagbond site http://devcoin.tagbond.com/

This bounty is now active: (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now&#vircurex_order_spread_api_call_or_bot) <-- Why are there question symbols when you hover over "API"?
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I agree that it would be great to place a spread of orders. If someone finds an API call that does this, or finds a bot that already can do this I suggest 4 shares. If it turns out you need to modify or develop a bot to do this, 24 shares for coding. Any objections, or should something be changed?

There were some additions/objections/suggestions to this bounty; two current proposals are to eliminate the bounty entirely or reduce the share count to 4.  To clarify, this bounty includes icons such as the send and receive icon, the "about devcoin" sidebar image, and the splash screen.
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I would like to propose a bounty for qt images and new icons.  8 shares for the images and icons used in the qt, 4 shares for the second best set of icons.

I would like to claim the following bounty with this article: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=investment_plan.  If there are no objections, I will receive 12 shares.  (Please feel free to go on the article and open a discussion on the talk page about corrections, inaccuracies, and improvements.)
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12 shares for the first five investment business plans, and 6 shares for the next five plans. The business plan would have to go on devtome, make sense, and be at least 500 words. The business plan can be about an investment club, investment strategy, speculation strategy, or another other way of making money by investing. It could also be about investing in non cryptocoin assets, like silver or stocks. If someone later makes a publicly traded company from that plan, the writer will get another six shares.

Finally, http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=where_to_spend_your_devcoins has been updated with http://altcoincards.com/ and businesses which are not accessible anymore have been moved to the bottom of the article.  If you know of a business that is not listed on the page, just contact me or add a short message to the article's talk page (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=talk:where_to_spend_your_devcoins) and I will add the business.
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December 29, 2013, 06:35:11 PM
I would advise that all communication between parties be done with bitcointalk messages. To admins (and others), there can be serious issues arising from giving out your personal email address, unless it is a party you trust, and that should be private. The main issue is that it enables (potentially) part of your ID to be pieced together.

The poster above might have done this by mistake, and he should also be warned the same thing about posting personal email addresses on forums. Not only do you invite spam but also potentially the same issues. If you are on bitcointalk you can use PM's, email's can compromise anonymity.

This could be fixed with the cryptocoin forum with email bounty.  When you want to email a user, only the username is visible, and the message is sent to the recipient's email, without it being revealed.

@Everyone:
I have a question about shares.  Sometimes, a share is something odd, like 543,792.  How can shares be paid out if blocks can only be split into as little as 9,000 coins?  Would your payout be rounded to the nearest multiple of 9000?
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December 29, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
I would advise that all communication between parties be done with bitcointalk messages. To admins (and others), there can be serious issues arising from giving out your personal email address, unless it is a party you trust, and that should be private. The main issue is that it enables (potentially) part of your ID to be pieced together.

The poster above might have done this by mistake, and he should also be warned the same thing about posting personal email addresses on forums. Not only do you invite spam but also potentially the same issues. If you are on bitcointalk you can use PM's, email's can compromise anonymity.
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December 29, 2013, 10:37:12 AM
Sorry that I have not been able to respond to your PMs, admins.

Please email me at [email protected] if there is something you need to tell me.

Thank you!

EDIT: i will PM admins my email, sorry to the person below me!
legendary
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December 29, 2013, 09:45:35 AM
Shakezula made the first post for altcoincards.com for the giftcard site reviewing bounty outlined here: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now#gift_card:
See his review: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4002612

And weisoq made the second post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4192146

This entitles them two 2 shares and 1 share, respectively.  The giftcard business reviewing bounty is finished for http://altcoincards.com/

As they both bought Barnes and Noble gift cards, and it is only one type of card, altcoin cards is only eligible for 12 shares.

Also, as the funding period has ended for the MiniMetalMaker (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/minimetalmaker-a-small-3d-printer-that-fabricates-with-metal-clay), this buying bounty (http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now#minimetalmaker_purchase) will not be available until the 3D printer is purchasable again.
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December 29, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
ok, so now I've removed the bitcoinadvertiser ad from faucet, cheers.
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December 29, 2013, 06:10:18 AM
As a side note they also only let you have 100 open positions at any one time (according to their API page), which means you could only really have 100 santoshis difference between the lowest and highest prices, and if you're creating buy as well as sell orders, it's only really 50 santoshis either way. Seeing as you've put in lots of orders already, does this mean you have hundreds/thousands of open orders on vircurex? Also, is it more important for you to set the price in 1 santoshi increments, or set the range (eg 50-350 santoshis) with it working out the increments itself?

I have many hundreds of open orders.

I have many on the same price, even, because I have started back at one satoshi all over again many times by now.

I post my offers manually though, not via the API. Maybe the API has limitations the website/webpage version doesn't.

Heck I just started back at one satoshi again today and am still in the process of filling each satoshi of price yet again on the buy side.

Yes it is important to fill every satoshi of price, because otherwise people try to break, to sit on a price you didn't sit on yet.

If there are no prices sitting empty except where the buys meet the sells - in the "spread" region - they tend to go there, which means you can kind of hint them along.

There is a bot it seems for example on the I0Coin and IXCoin markets on Vircurex that very annoyingly tends to refuse to let even a tiny little offer get in front of it in the sense of being closer to the spread region that it is.

It keeps three batches of coins on hand to sell, and if you place an offer at a lower sell price than it's lowest sell price it cancels the highest price of its three orders and put it one satoshi lower in price than your offer.

Even if it is dealing with a few thousand at a time and you place an offer to sell only ten, it seemingly cannot stand the idea that you might get to sell your ten whatevers before it has managed to sell its few thousand. But if you place offers at every satoshi way down toward the spread-region, you can sometimes manage to get your offer to stick, maybe because it does not want to sell for less than it bought for or something.

Rather than play cancel-and-re-offer with it, just putting offers on every satoshi lets me get tons of offers in on the whole range it tries to play leapfrog with, so ultimately my average sell price is higher than the sell price it ends up leapfrogging its way down to.

On the buy side, the purpose is to uphold the price/value of the coin, so having an offer on every satoshi means every satoshi of price is going to cost who-ever tries to drive the price down. There are no freebies, each and every satoshi they want to drive the price down is going to cost them.

I have lately been placing offers to buy one or ten million divided by the satoshis of price, so that each satoshi they try to drive it down will cost them more (of what they are selling) than the previous satoshi of price did.

If you look at many order books, often it seems the opposite: everyone is crowding their buy offers up near the highest price, as soon as that thin crust is broken, the so called resistance maybe could be what it is I do not know the terminology really, but once the people clamouring to buy at high prices are sold to often from there on down is a crash waiting to happen, hardly anyone apparently wants to buy for low prices. No wonder we see crashes so often in cryptocoin, everyone apparently wants to buy high and failing that not buy at all! Wink Smiley

Similarly on the sell side: everyone wants to sell cheap, but once you buy that thin crust of cheap sell offers, it is thin air going way the heck up, so prices seem to skyrocket because so few people, so far between, want to sell for high prices!

-MarkM-
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December 29, 2013, 05:47:39 AM
I emptied the 'hidden' addresses of the Windows wallet. Now with a fresh new Windows wallet (1MfVpeJrNn28gfWm2duxTwV4pbDSEGPakB) that has succeeded to sent to and receive from an old client (Linux). Therefore, this test was completed 100%

I cannot test migrating from an old windows client to a new windows client.

Don't use my old DVC address anymore (18GCTJhxrWfXjnLwwjJKsSYBpyEV16pRsB, which is now 0 DVC).
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